The Great Plot Holes

Must've been well hidden then, because they weren't where they usually are!!!

It was a guardian robot, not a Encyclopedia. It probably was just programmed to defend the floating island and obey Echidnas, nothing more. Why would you add information about your race to a robot that’s just a guardian?. It would be a bad thing to do if the robot is captured by the enemy…

But the lab accident occured after Kintobor was performing the speed experiment on Sonic. He was talking to Sonic whilst walking with the egg and so wasn't looking where he was going so no Sonic, no experiment, no going to the fridge or no being distracted walking with the egg and hence no Robotnik. Plus, I always figured that the story implied that it was a paradox in that the whole Metallix thing was happening in the background but obviously Sonic (and us the reader) was not aware of it at the time until he enters into the paradox himself and causes the accident, hence why he feels so guilty. At least that's how I interpreted it but it's one of those things that's open I spose.

Although I kind of wonder though, I mean I know most of this wouldn't have applied when the story was written cos the Chaos arc hadn't occured yet but when you think about it, Robotnik erasing Sonic from history meant that Sonic wouldn't have gone back in time to Echidna history. He was the one who knocked the prosecutor that eventually became Chaos out of it's battle suit. So it stands to reason that Chaos wouldn't have been created. So it makes you wonder what would've happened to the Chaos emeralds. If the emeralds never ended up on the floating island, Robotnik wouldn't have been able to use them to become all powerful. In fact, it all goes right back to the Kintobor thing cos Kintobor wouldn't have been experimenting with them in the first place. So we'd have no Sonic, no Robotnik, no Super Sonic, no Chaos, no Metallix. Heck, Mobius may even be a happier place , or ruled by the Drakon lol.

But yeah, enough of that, it's enough to make your mind explode .

I've often spoken out about my dislike of the whole keep Lew/Nigel seperate law and I think comparing it to different writers runs on other comic's inaccurate. Take X-Men for instance, there's like a bajillion books. You have X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, New X-Men, Excaliber, X-Force etc etc etc. Now, X-men, Uncanny and Astonishing all share the same principle characters pretty much and are handled by different writers but you never get a situation where the characters are written totally different from each other. Sure, individual writers put their own certain stamps on characters BUT above all else they must remain true to the character. And you never get a situation where one character from one series can never appear in another book cos that's strictly a Joss Whedon character or that ones a Chris Claremont character. Kitty Pride for instance, invented by Chris Claremont, currently being written by like 3 writers crossing over on several books.

The way STC is treated is like, same characters-ish, same world, same basic situation yet seperate universes. It's almost like two parallel continuities running alongside each other yet they're not two universes. It's one universe handled by two different writers and to put such boundaries on it as "This character can only appear in a Lew Stringeresqe story" I feel is just silly. Even if it's just a passing mention of a character, it just feels odd that say Porker Lewis has never acknowledged the existence of Tekno or Shortfuse and vise versa. Not to say he should just for the sake of it but to say it's never gonna happen because they exist in virtually seperate universes just seems rediculous to me. It's like saying Spider-Man and the X-Men live in the same world, and heck the same city, but they can never meet or speak of each other cos they're seperate comics. It just makes a universe seem all that more complete.

But hey, that's just my opinion on it all and granted whilst reading the comic I never once acknowledged the notion of Lew/Nigel universes. To me it was just one world, one comic in fact, some stories I didn't even realise were written by the separate writers until going back and looking over them lol. Maybe that's the problem right there is that there's too much highlighting of "This is Lew, this is Nigel" when it should really be "This is Sonic, written by blah de blah" We're not writing a story about Lew or Nigel after all, it's about Sonic and I feel it can only hinder personal creativity if we limit ourselves to following some one elses style. Origionality not emulation I say

But yeah, yeah, yeah. Back on topic XD sorry for straying lol. I'm going bed.

yea its quite amazin have things all worked out

Hmmm, plot holes... here's some off the top of my head (people have probably already thought of these, but I don't have time to read all 6 pages of this thread right now)

1. Does Robotnik have Kintobor's memories? Early strips say he doesn't. In the Shanazar saga, however....

2. The Miracle Planet. Some stories claim it appears once a month. Others that it shows up for one whole month a year. What's going on there?

3. Mr Fry. He's supposed to be in prison in the Special Zone, so how did he end up in jail on Mobius in The Trickster? O.o Also, why was he still in Mr Fry form. You'd think he'd have changed back into Speckle by then.

4. The Chaos Emeralds. In early strips, the small halved versions were all plain green and the change to different colours was explained in the first Sonic's world. Why then were Knuckes' halves and the ones in the Chaos saga multicoloured?

5. Why was the Sonic clone blue? Shouldn't he have been brown? Or did that treadmill incident mutate Sonic's genes as well as change his spikes? (must have I guess... *looks at the Chaos Emeralds suspiciously*)

6. We appear to be missing some Super Sonic incidents. One got a brief mention in issue 7 when Tails mentions Sonic absorbing too many rings... he's referring to the game probably, but c'mon, it would've been nice to see in STC

7. The Metallix paradox. If the timeline was changed so the original Metallix was never built, how come the second one knew all about how Sonic destoyed it? In fact, how come it existed at all? -brain explodes-

--Thalia, nitpicking

A side effect of the magic that is everywhere on the planet.



Speckle got released for good behaviour. He then legged it to Mobius and binge-drank on the Fry potion, getting himself arrested there and stuck in his Fry form.



Sonic's Emeralds were weaker because they weren't near the Grey Emerald.



Uh... the Miracle Planet exists outside regular time and is just plain weird?

My view on the Metallix paradoxes... it's the mysterious properties of the Miracle Planet that break up the timeline. I figure normal time is linear. If you go back in time and change something, you couldn't because it's already been changed. (The latest Harry Potter film illustrated this really well). The Miracle Planet somehow allows people to step outside of time and change it. So in this place outside time, Metallix was destroyed, but the people on Mobius still know about it. Similarly, Sonic and Chaotix were isolated from the effects of the change in time on Mobius, but it was only their perspective that was changed (and the Metallixes'). In a sense, the Miracle planet just allowed them to shift between two parallel dimensions that exist concurrently.



I don't think you need to emulate those writers' styles to keep them separate, as long as you're writing in the spirit of the comic (in which we know they'd never meet except for rare occasions). The idea is to find the heart of the comic -- what makes the characters tick, what makes the plots progress, the interactions work. And it turns out that those two mini-universes are quite distinct. One is concerned with religion and is a universe where good and evil are real and exist as opposing forces. The other is political, complex, the characters flawed. Put another way: if you tried to create a conjoined STC you could not do it and still remain true to the principles inherent in their design.

Yes, you could change the characters, lump them all together and try to start again with a reconceived STC. But what would be the point? Better -- and more consistent with the original -- to let one thread deal with issues of spirituality, and morality, and the other thread of stories show the characters as flawed and unclear about moral absolutes. Let one thread deal with Earth, the Eternity Ring, Tekno and Shortfuse; the other deal with the Drakon Empire, Porker etc. For the people who don't see the distinction, there's no real difference made. For people who do see the distinction, the integrity of both sides of the universe are maintained and you don't end up with contradictory philosophies that just end up in some meaningless mulch: the risk that happens in a lot of these shared universes.

Which is odd, coz Lew Stringer mentioned he himself was an Atheist in his old STEM interview.

Not really. I'm an atheist too, but I still find faith fascinating -- and definitely a fertile background for fiction. Lew obviously felt that a religious dimension would enrich his stories, which they did.



But then we'd have to start with a new #1, and it wouldn't be a continuation. Plus, we'd have to find an excuse to include George Bush in stories!

Oh god no, then we'd have to bring Millar back! And stories like Spinball Wizard would last for multiple issues!

In the print comic, it was done mainly out of respect, perhaps for rights reasons (since each individual creator had rights to their characters), or usually just because each writer had his own set of characters to work with. In the online comic there may be a greater degree of freedom to explore those avenues but doing so would be unfaithful to the way the print comic worked. It is not necessary for Porker and Tekno to appear in a story together (and I'm not sure it could work, considering how interchangable they ultimately became), and it's not something you would have ever seen in the print comic, so it won't happen here.