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Post by Warped‽‽‽ on Sept 3, 2008 22:19:31 GMT
I did always want to write more about Knuckles and his background and went so far as to write up some back story ideas which I managed to get approved by Sega. I don't think I would have had all of Knuckles race reappear. In fact I think I had more tragic ideas about this. Not so much that they were all dead just that the lost people that he was dedicated to didn't exist in the way he thought they would. He was waiting for the return but the Echidna race had move on and changed in its nature. Having a big return would have been just horrible. Rule: you must never see the little red-haired girl. Anybody know what I'm talking about with this reference? Tikal would probably have been around if I had continued. For some reason, that's how I always felt. I wanted to know what happened to Knuckles' lost people, but I didn't want them back in case it messed with Knuckles' personality too much. (Lone Guardian.) In fact I can almost see something along these lines happening in the Knuckles+Vichama story ark in STCO... My interest is re-ignited for this plotline once again.
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Post by Pete on Sept 3, 2008 22:45:32 GMT
In fact I can almost see something along these lines happening in the Knuckles+Vichama story ark in STCO... My interest is re-ignited for this plotline once again. I like that they've got two echidnas, and neither one able/ willing to tell Knuckles the truth. Even with Tikal around, he doesn't know how to handle speaking to people outside of life-or-death situations. If you concider the STC timeline, Knuckles had been alone all his life until he met Robotnik, which would have only been a few years ago; social graces aren't his forte. To bring back the entire civilisation would lose this aspect from Knuckles, I feel.
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 4, 2008 6:26:52 GMT
First off, Nigel you're a legend ;D Secondly: Did you ever plan to fully reveal Knuckles's origins and heritage before or after the Chaos saga? Perhaps have his people return from the stars. I've heard you weren't aware the comic was going into reprint after the ten part Chaos story, so were you maybe planning on using Tikal or any of the ancient echidnas in the future or was it not something you were thinking about at the time? Oh, and out of interest. Whose idea was it to do non Sonic stories? And did you ever plan to complete the Kid Chameleon story or bring back any other game adaptation featured in early STC? Thanks (for starting my obsession with Knuckles more than anything else). I did always want to write more about Knuckles and his background and went so far as to write up some back story ideas which I managed to get approved by Sega. I don't think I would have had all of Knuckles race reappear. In fact I think I had more tragic ideas about this. Not so much that they were all dead just that the lost people that he was dedicated to didn't exist in the way he thought they would. He was waiting for the return but the Echidna race had move on and changed in its nature. Having a big return would have been just horrible. Rule: you must never see the little red-haired girl. Anybody know what I'm talking about with this reference? Tikal would probably have been around if I had continued. The editors decide what strips go into the comic. Kid Chameleon I had nothing to do with - I never ever read it. Thanks for answering my question. You say you managed to get Knuckles's back story approved by Sega? Does this mean that after the editor apporoved a pitch or character's background you then had to run it by Sega? Did they ever say no to any of your ideas? Thanks again In fact I can almost see something along these lines happening in the Knuckles+Vichama story ark in STCO... My interest is re-ignited for this plotline once again. I like that they've got two echidnas, and neither one able/ willing to tell Knuckles the truth. Even with Tikal around, he doesn't know how to handle speaking to people outside of life-or-death situations. If you concider the STC timeline, Knuckles had been alone all his life until he met Robotnik, which would have only been a few years ago; social graces aren't his forte. To bring back the entire civilisation would lose this aspect from Knuckles, I feel. I agree. Part of what drew me to Knuckles was the fact he was a lone guardian, shrouded in mystery. While I always hoped it would be explained, I also liked how more answers raised more questions (Zachary for example).
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 4, 2008 12:25:37 GMT
Charlie Brown from Peanuts had an infatuation with a never-seen red-haired girl. A bit like Maris in Frasier! XD Now for something on topic: I agree with not revealing Knuckles' history or people. I like the small nuggets of info we got when Tikal transported Sonic to her time but that's all we needed to know, if you ask me. Completely revealing who Knuckles is would ruin the character, it would certainly change how we see him anyway. He needs to retain some aspect of mystery.
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Sept 4, 2008 17:37:50 GMT
Rule: you must never see the little red-haired girl. Anybody know what I'm talking about with this reference? ... Please explain. In the (brilliant) Peanuts newspaper strip Charlie Brown has a crush on a Little Red-Haired Girl. Of course it is doomed and we know Charlie Brown will never dare to tell her how he feels. The readers never see the Little Red-Haired Girl and that's the way it must always be.
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Sept 4, 2008 17:41:17 GMT
Umm, being new, i'm afraid that I won't be asking any in depth questions or anything....but I just love the dialogue of STC. It was my favourite comic and took every word as sonic law back in the day. Umm...not sure if this was asked....what was the desicion to make Chaos...well, pure evil and a fish in a massive body of water rather than the god of destruction from SA (I still love STCs version, but I have to know.) I know SA came first, so what didn't/did you like about chaos that ended up making the character the way he is now, personality wise? Second, What do you personally think of the one off grimer tale done by STC online? I personally thought it was a fitting insight to the end of the characters appearances and wondered if you were impressed as well? That's all from me. And btw, thatnks for giving me something to wait for while I sat on the school steps waiting for me dad. a. I didn't really know in great detail what went on in the game. b. I didn't really care what went on in the game. I wanted to tell my story and tie it in with my mythology. Loved the Grimer story.
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Sept 4, 2008 17:46:54 GMT
Thanks for answering my question. You say you managed to get Knuckles's back story approved by Sega? Does this mean that after the editor apporoved a pitch or character's background you then had to run it by Sega? Did they ever say no to any of your ideas?
I think the editor asked me to write up my Knuckles ideas so she could run them by Sega.
I don't remember Sega saying no to any of my ideas. We were given quite a lot of freedom story-wise.
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Post by The Shad on Sept 4, 2008 17:49:41 GMT
In my defence for my shocking lack of knowledge regarding Peanuts, we never had it over here. Never even heard of it before the age of 15.
One question, then.
Out of all the stories you wrote, which kind of story do you prefer? The massive epic that lasts for issues and focuses on spectacle (for example, Return of the Chaotix), or the one-off story, that focuses on character (like Smokey and the Banik?)?
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Post by metallixmask on Sept 4, 2008 18:23:55 GMT
Best answers ever. Thanks mr Nigel, sir. ;D
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Sept 4, 2008 19:14:23 GMT
In my defence for my shocking lack of knowledge regarding Peanuts, we never had it over here. Never even heard of it before the age of 15. One question, then. Out of all the stories you wrote, which kind of story do you prefer? The massive epic that lasts for issues and focuses on spectacle (for example, Return of the Chaotix), or the one-off story, that focuses on character (like Smokey and the Banik?)? I think you need both. But the bigger stories give you more scope.
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Post by Tom on Sept 4, 2008 20:45:37 GMT
After that extended run of Knuckles stories in #65-101, how come you and Nigel Dobbyn took an extended break from the strip (and the character)? And was there any particular reason we never saw him duke it out with his Metallix counterpart?
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Sept 4, 2008 21:35:56 GMT
After that extended run of Knuckles stories in #65-101, how come you and Nigel Dobbyn took an extended break from the strip (and the character)? And was there any particular reason we never saw him duke it out with his Metallix counterpart? I'd forgotten that we took a break from Knuckles. That would have been the editor's decision. I don't remember ever thinking about having him fight the Metallix Knuckles. I suppose the question is more was there any reason that he should fight is Metallix counterpart.
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Post by Badly-Drawn Manchild on Sept 4, 2008 21:40:11 GMT
I've always liked Lord Sidewinder and his group, especially Mr. Fry and Bio-Hazard as I thought they were really fun villains. We never saw them again after issue #116-118 "Hunter and the Hunted" though (aside from that brief appearance in issue #130 "Showdown"), which I always thought was a pity, since there seemed to be still some unanswered questions with them (like the relationship between Lightmare and Sidewinder, for example).
Who came up with the characters, and did you ever plan for them to have a comeback at any point?
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Sept 5, 2008 9:25:22 GMT
I've always liked Lord Sidewinder and his group, especially Mr. Fry and Bio-Hazard as I thought they were really fun villains. We never saw them again after issue #116-118 "Hunter and the Hunted" though (aside from that brief appearance in issue #130 "Showdown"), which I always thought was a pity, since there seemed to be still some unanswered questions with them (like the relationship between Lightmare and Sidewinder, for example). Who came up with the characters, and did you ever plan for them to have a comeback at any point? Rich came up with the characters and their basic powers. I renamed Bio-Hazard - Rich had called him Atomic Pile, I Think. I then took the characters and figured out what to do with them. I would have liked to bring the characters back one day but I never had any plans as such.
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Post by The Stiv™ on Sept 5, 2008 9:27:56 GMT
And now they're all dead .
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Post by WinterFlames on Sept 5, 2008 9:48:09 GMT
And now they're all dead . Until next time...
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Post by The Stiv™ on Sept 5, 2008 9:59:25 GMT
Nigel, Do you ever look in any of the other boards on this forum or do you just stick to the main STC one out of fear for your sanity?
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 5, 2008 10:02:16 GMT
And now they're all dead . Not necessarily... didn't Mr Fry join Captain Plunder's crew?
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Post by The Stiv™ on Sept 5, 2008 10:08:12 GMT
He did, but Proctor Speckle left for him.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 5, 2008 10:15:55 GMT
Ahhh... my memories of that story were fuzzy. I mostly remember him fighting a shark then explained he was tenderising it! Hilarious....
Anyways that leads me onto another moronic question; initially Plunder and his crew was presented as a force to be reckoned with but later became comic relief. How come this happened and also, was it intended to be anything to do with their exposure to the Chaos Emeralds? [/nerd mode activated]
Also, Charles; can I ask a cheeky question and enquire into whether STCO is planning a Plunder strip? ;D
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Sept 5, 2008 12:58:40 GMT
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Post by Tom on Sept 5, 2008 13:32:11 GMT
And now they're all dead . No they aren't. As seen in #151, they were imprisoned in the Metropolis Zone.
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Post by The Stiv™ on Sept 5, 2008 13:56:24 GMT
And now they're all dead . No they aren't. As seen in #151, they were imprisoned in the Metropolis Zone. Oho .
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Post by Matt on Sept 5, 2008 14:38:54 GMT
And now they're all dead . No they aren't. As seen in #151, they were imprisoned in the Metropolis Zone. where I just had a look through 151 and can't see anything about them edit... ah yeah mr fry's in 150... but that probably after the whole plunder thing
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Post by The Stiv™ on Sept 5, 2008 14:43:18 GMT
Mr. Fry's the villian the missile breaks out of Metropolis Maximum Security prison. Fair enough it doesn't mention the rest of them... Maybe if they come back, one of them could have died.
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