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Post by Nigel Kitching on Aug 31, 2010 21:05:16 GMT
Well in that case the script said: "Pity... that mirror would have looked really good in my bedroom!" There was a time when I didn't read the scripts when they were printed because I couldn't bear the editorial changes. If there is a pun or something odd then it may well be that I didn't write it. One day I'll let everyone see some of the original scripts to compare to the stories where my writing was changed significantly. It makes sense, but it's understandable to be a little bit offended in the editing of your writing, particularly if, as it seems to be coming across, you weren't informed of said changes. It all depends on the manner in which it's been edited really; some subtle changes in the scripts to add a pun here or there (providing the scenario isn't too serious, otherwise it would be quite jarring), or perhaps make brief word changes to lines that might be of an unnecessary length, that's understandable. Anything bigger than that, it may get to the point where meanings to certain cuts of dialogue, maybe even the story as a whole, are changed. As such, the author's original intentions may be lost on the cutting room floor as it were, and it could lead to misinterpretations of the situation and characters. I once sent in a letter to Teletext which was printed, but edited heavily for space reasons. As such, I felt the meaning I intended was lost and ultimately got a bit of backlash for it. But given that they reserved the right to use and edit my words as they saw fit, I couldn't really complain, since they didn't misquote me or anything. Point is, I see where you're coming from on the editorial front. If you do happen to discover instances of your intentions being notably changed, I would be interested to see them. Just to take one example from what you say. Why does the editor get to change a script which will be published with my name on it because they consider a speech to be too long? If I write it that length then it's probably on purpose. Why does the editor's position allow them to change the script. I'm happy to have the editor ask me to change something then we can discuss it and I'll probably do my best to help - unless there is a reason it is the way it is. I suppose some people will say that I was paid to work for Fleetway and the editor can change the script if they want to. I never agreed to that with anyone. Some folk seem to think if you work for a company they own you - I don't agree. What ends up happening is that, as is the case here, I'm assumed to have written a crap pun. This isn't even a bad example of my work being changed there were some really annoying changes and some that make me feel embarrassed that people think I wrote it.
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Aug 31, 2010 21:06:28 GMT
I don't mind that change, Knuckles was making a joke anyway, the edit just accentuates it (and makes it a slightly tighter line, too). Of course I'd probably feel differently if I was the one writing it... But I don't write puns of that sort - why should my name be linked to this [censored].
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Aug 31, 2010 21:29:10 GMT
See, this is the thing, puns like that are a lot more suited to Lew's strips which were laden with them and far more lighthearted (the big Planet in Peril story arc he wrote was so striking at the time since it was genuinely quite serious), hence why it seems extremely out of place in one of your strips, Nigel. No wonder it stuck out a mile to me. I can certainly see why you'd be upset that that was added to the script, especially when it's such a terrible, overdone pun- a character saying something broken is "smashing"- that's been in a thousand British comics and cartoons before, perhaps second in overuse only to a recently electrocuted character claiming things to be shocking. Cringeworthy, eyeroll inspiring stuff.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Aug 31, 2010 21:34:51 GMT
Also, Knuckles was previously portrayed as being waaaaaaay too serious to have a sense of humour.... ;D
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Aug 31, 2010 22:04:52 GMT
Exactly, which really helped accentuate how bloody mental Chaotix were at the side of the serious Knuckles. The only time he seemed to be having any real amounts of fun (that leaps to mind anyway) were in his team-up story with Tails where he seemed at points to be genuinely amused by Tails' lies coming back to haunt him (and no doubt the chance to tarnish his rival's name a bit).
EDIT: Incidentally, that's such a good strip. It's a shame there weren't more out of the ordinary team-ups in the comic, the only other ones were a few rare S&K team-ups (including, obviously, the S&K game tie-in) and that one Sonic/Tekno strip.... *cough*
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Post by Lost Mercenary on Aug 31, 2010 23:18:07 GMT
As far as Knuckles' sense of humour goes there was a scene, I think somewhere between issues 101 and 110 when the Emerald Hill Folk return to the zone from the Floating Island. Knuckles contacts Sonic and is absolutely loving the fact that Sonic now has absolutely bugger all to do as a hero and that Knuckles has finally got the island to himself once again.
I think he even gets in a line like "You can finally retire now, Sonic." whilst wearing one hell of a smirk.
Priceless.
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Post by projectzuel on Sept 2, 2010 13:23:24 GMT
As far as Knuckles' sense of humour goes there was a scene, I think somewhere between issues 101 and 110 when the Emerald Hill Folk return to the zone from the Floating Island. Knuckles contacts Sonic and is absolutely loving the fact that Sonic now has absolutely bugger all to do as a hero and that Knuckles has finally got the island to himself once again. I think he even gets in a line like "You can finally retire now, Sonic." whilst wearing one hell of a smirk. Priceless. Yeah, I thought that was humourous to read. It's doubtful there would be any kind of outlash against that because the diologue isn't really written out in the context of a pun, if you get my meaning. Basically there's no cringe worthy diolouge. And the fact that Sonic's reply of "Smart Alec" (i think that was it) was priceless.
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Post by Spydaman on Sept 3, 2010 6:54:06 GMT
Concerning the topic of editing, funnily enough "Solitary" (which I originally wrote) was actually quite heavily edited. Whilst the basic story is the one I wrote (as the art was done according to that script) the actual dialogue only contains about 2 or 3 original lines. So it does sometimes feel odd to have my name attached to it, but people still seemed to enjoy it at the time As for my fave Knuckles stories, in fact my fave isn't listed which is Enter Knuckles! Otherwise, I would pick Total Chaotix and Homecoming.
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Post by dk on Sept 7, 2010 19:03:53 GMT
Total Chaotix was a great strip in its own right and as a precursor of things to come. After the second strip you already knew who Chaotix were and what each of their personalities were - for a comic that was pretty conservative about introducing new characters, this was an interesting departure from form. The strip has plenty of good jokes and drama, and the fight between Knuckles and the Metallix is one of the most brutal battles to appear in the comic.
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Post by Raxadian on Sept 30, 2010 1:21:52 GMT
The Good, The Bad and the Echidna of course, he wears a poncho and a hat!
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Post by redmenace on Oct 8, 2010 18:50:33 GMT
They're all great. However, some of them I remember more fondly than others:
Carnival Night Conspiracy. Total Chaotix The Homecoming The Graveyard The Take-Over Vichama
I was unsure wether to vote for Total Chaotix or Vichama, because the first introduced so much win while the second told Knuckles' most perfect backstory (that I love so dearly). Ended up voting Total Chaotix, because I didn't like how the Vichama was defeated.
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Post by mark00275 on Oct 19, 2010 12:44:53 GMT
Very difficult for me as I always liked Knuckles probably due to the intrigue of his past.
I chose the homecoming because I liked the conclusion to the chest story arc, Zachary and seeing more secret parts of the floating Island.
Total Chaotix is a close second as it was one of my first STC's that I read and I found the story engaging, interesting and new charaters also.
I also liked good the bad and the echidna for its artwork and it was cool to see Knuckles in his poncho and flying that Pterodactyl ;D
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Post by Reddog on Dec 6, 2010 0:03:26 GMT
Ghost Ship
It's interesting to see I'm not only the only person to have picked it but did so for reasons that have not been mentioned yet.
Obviously this story had a lot of absolutely great humour to it however I feel that an element of it is often overlooked and that is just how genuine drama and tension build up at one point before the big revel about what is really going on and who the Tantaragor and this group of them really are.
You see, up to this point in STC, the various villeins introduced had all been easily comprehensible and you as a reader could conceptualise them being beaten...not so with the Tantaragor, it was made absolutely clear that they were completely impervious to anything Knuckles or the pirates threw at them, this was simply not like some big robot or monster as we had seen before, our 'heroes' (I use inverted commons because we are talking about Plundar and the pirates as well as Knuckles) are rendered completely impotent in the face of them and being unable to see ANY way they can fight back a real sense of panic develops in you, a primal fear of 'we're out of our depth here, lets run!'
Later on, this means that the choice Knuckles makes to go back to rescues the prisoners has so much more impact, it's not like when the heroes often risk their lives to save the day, this is nothing short of suicide and he knows it.
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Post by Pete on Dec 11, 2010 16:54:00 GMT
From an artistic point of view, I love "The Takeover": I love that gradual transition between panels without the use of guttering. In terms of story, I think "The Village of the Damned" really stands out; it's dark and foreboding (and the village itself looked a little like the area I lived in at the time, so that kinda freaked me out), but the chilling ending of Robotnik flaunting his invulnerability is true class. It really is hard to fault a lot of the Kitching/ Dobbyn Knuckles pieces, especially through the World Tour session in which every new story took a new genre. It doesn't hurt that I have 4 original pages of various Knuckles stories either!
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