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Post by The Stiv™ on May 16, 2007 15:18:01 GMT
What, has everyone stoppped playing or something? =(
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on May 16, 2007 15:32:18 GMT
Nope, I've been playing for nearly 10 hours now. Got 1 badge, and a level 27 Monferno, with all my other pokemon at around level 10 or above. I'm taking my time, making sure I catch every Pokemon in the area before I leave.
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Post by Pete on May 16, 2007 15:57:43 GMT
No way- I've got 6 badges, and I'm heading up to Snowpoint City.
Team is : Lv 38 Infernape Lv 34 Staraptor Lv 36 Roselia Lv 35 Kadabra Lv 34 Luxray Lv 35 Floatzel
Balanced team FTW!
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Post by The Stiv™ on May 16, 2007 15:59:43 GMT
Lv 38 Infernape Lv 34 Staraptor Lv 36 Roselia Lv 35 Kadabra Lv 34 Luxray Lv 35 Floatzel If I had a 6th member of my team and a Floatzel instead of a Graveler, we'd have the exact same team
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Post by Pete on May 16, 2007 16:01:02 GMT
Who have I got that you haven't?
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Post by The Stiv™ on May 16, 2007 16:11:30 GMT
Kadabra.
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Post by Pete on May 16, 2007 16:17:47 GMT
It's actually the one that's traded to you earlier in the game (his name is Kazza), and he's decent enough. Once I unlock the Pal Park, I'll put Mewtwo into the team. = My new favourite Pokemon.
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 16:18:17 GMT
Lol, Mewtwo.
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Post by Pete on May 16, 2007 16:19:51 GMT
Why, who's a better pure psychic type?
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Post by The Stiv™ on May 16, 2007 16:20:16 GMT
Yeahh, Luxray is teh smex. Still, my Staraptor is a [censored]ing machine.
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 16:23:54 GMT
Why, who's a better pure psychic type? Gardevoir would probably be the best choice of a Pokemon that you wont be laughed off the face of the Earth for using. Not to mention that no-one will actually allow you to enter any tourney or even most simple 1-1 battles with Legendaries in your team.
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Post by Pete on May 16, 2007 16:36:22 GMT
Yeah, I don't understand why they don't allow Legendaries in; they're in the game to be used, and with the new system for physical attacks and special attacks, they're less of an unfair advantage.
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 16:39:42 GMT
It really isn't. Legendaries aren't allowed because of their stats, not their attacks (though with stuff like Roar of Time, that doesn't help their case). They're broken Pokemon (and it's not just Legendaries that can claim this either), their stats are all too high for them to be used fairly. (Though, generally, the lesser legendaries like the Trios and Latios/Latias aren't that broken. Although Latios/Soul Dew is massively broken and thus you'll always see Soul Dew banned if Latios is allowed to play)
You can argue that they're okay to use in-game, but I wouldn't agree really. For one thing, a lot of them are caught at such a high level that they're A) at least 10 levels higher than the Elite 4 and therefore not even a challenge there) and B) more or less pre-trained and don't really leave you with an awful lot to do with them.
They're cheap all round really, which is why most wont use them.
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Post by Pombar on May 16, 2007 16:40:14 GMT
The reason I assume is because then everyone would use them and it would be a largely sad, predictable affair.
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 16:42:56 GMT
The reason I assume is because then everyone would use them and it would be a largely sad, predictable affair. Competitive already is that with Pokemon like Skarmory, Blissey, Dragonite, Tyranitar and Salamence. If you look up most competitive teams you'll see the same Pokemon appearing again and again and again. Banning Legendaries only really prevents such teams from being more or less unbeatable.
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Post by Pete on May 16, 2007 16:44:45 GMT
I agree with them being pre-trained; a friend has an Action Replay, and he trades me the odd Legendary at low levels to get the most out of them.
Unethical, maybe, but since I can't use it competitively, it doesn't really matter.
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 16:53:00 GMT
For reference, this is a list of Pokemon Tiers agreed on throughout the third Generation. These tiers would decide what Pokemon you could choose from for a team for a tournament/battle. So, if someone said "UE Pokemon only", you'd only be able to use unevolved Pokemon, or UU only, you'd only be able to use Pokemon listed for under-used.
Overused Pokemon are exactly what they say on the tin, and Pokemon that you'd probably encounter A LOT if you used NetBattle or got into a tourney. And Pokemon classed as ubers would never be allowed in most tourneys. Wobbuffet's in there for two reasons, first that it's a bit of a [censored] to fight anyway, but second because it rules out the possibility of Wobbuffet vs Wobbuffet, which in Generation III was a game ender - they can't switch out because of their abilities and they can't attack eachother. This has been rectified for Gen IV and Wobbuffet can switch out if battling another Wobbuffet, so presumably it'll drop down to Overused when a Gen IV list comes to be agreed on.
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Post by Pete on May 16, 2007 17:13:28 GMT
Are these stipulated before any official fight?
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 17:18:30 GMT
Well, Nintendo very rarely holds any official tourneys - and those that are held are at events in America - but they do define their entire rulesets months before the tournaments, and will define their own list of allowed Pokemon (Some tourneys didn't even ban any Pokemon, such as one about 3 years ago where a well known competitive battler was beaten by a kid using a team of Legendaries).
Any tournaments held on Net Battle and now online for D/P will define their rulesets and dis/allowed Pokemon beforehand, so you'll always know before going into anything. Some people might say "standard rules/allowed" but if they do that and you're looking to enter, you should definitely ask for their definition of that.
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Post by Shadic? on May 16, 2007 23:29:52 GMT
I still play the game, but mostly just spend time on the GTS. Building up my team seems pointless
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 23:38:24 GMT
Anyone up for a small tourney in the next few weeks or so? If everyone's at the stage where they can start getting teams set up, I'd be happy to get something set up.
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Post by Shadic? on May 16, 2007 23:48:14 GMT
What type of tourney? I know I'd get wiped out if someone has a team of all 100s.
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Post by Alex on May 16, 2007 23:50:32 GMT
In D/P you can set the teams to be either "free" - which means that your Pokemon are at the levels they're actually at in the game, "lv. 50", which sets both teams Pokemon to level 50, recalculating their stats, or "lv 100" which does the same for level 100.
You don't have to worry about levels, just attacks, and arguably - EVs.
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Post by Pete on May 18, 2007 0:45:27 GMT
Just caught Dialga by putting it to sleep, took about a third of its health, and used only one Dusk Ball.
Easiest Legendary to catch, ever.
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Post by Alex on May 18, 2007 1:12:07 GMT
Yeah, Dialga and Palkia seem to be set up amazingly easy to capture. Though Dusk Balls are [censored]ing awesome to use anyway, x4 capture rate at night FTW. I have a feeling it's down to their level - if I remember correctly, their catch rates stat is no lower than Groudon/Kyogre's were for example, so... yeah. It's definitely engineered in such a way to make it easy to sort out. I hope you remembered to go back for the item that was behind Dialga before heading down the mountain. It's a pain to climb all the way back up there just for it.
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