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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 10:39:28 GMT
What was wrong with it? I mean, I know there are a lot of things wrong with it, but I imagine it was a series of few events that coloured your opinion. Rather than it being for the reasons many people here don't like it. Well, basically... I have to change over at the train station sometimes. I've never left the station but the town doesn't look very nice from where I'm standing. THUS, it's the worst place in the world ever.
Also, fair play Moo. I just hope you don't feel you were bullied out of it.
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Post by Calisto on Nov 6, 2009 10:42:38 GMT
Sorry Mitch, but the fact bullying even crossed your mind suggests that something actually happened that you noticed.
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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 10:49:04 GMT
Sorry Mitch, but the fact bullying even crossed your mind suggests that something actually happened that you noticed. EDIT: Sod it. If Moo has a problem with what I said she can take it up with me. I'm not justifying a passing, innocent comment to you.
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Post by Calisto on Nov 6, 2009 11:24:14 GMT
I wasn't being sarcastic, or patronising, and I wasn't talking as a mod. Everyone has noticed that something has happened on this forum, and I was just wondering what you noticed.
I'm not asking you to justify anything, ok? I was just wondering.
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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 11:44:45 GMT
In recent times, mod-directed criticism has significantly increased. And it has, for whatever reasons, coincided with the timing of Mambo and Moo becoming mods. With criticism flying in the general direction of the mod team, some of it would be relevant to Moo. There have also been heated situations that have involved Moo in recent times.
Thus, with all the incidents and criticisms, I just hope she didn't feel bullied or put-upon.
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Post by Calisto on Nov 6, 2009 11:49:25 GMT
Thank you, that's all I wanted to know. It's good to see I wasn't just being paranoid when noticing this.
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Post by Nam on Nov 6, 2009 11:50:07 GMT
In recent times, mod-directed criticism has significantly increased. And it has, for whatever reasons, coincided with the timing of Mambo and Moo becoming mods. With criticism flying in the general direction of the mod team, some of it would be relevant to Moo. There have also been heated situations that have involved Moo in recent times. It has increased from a very small minority of this forum, namely yourself, Stu, Obsidian, and The Captain (at least that's how I see it). That's it. Everyone else is either fine with it, doesn't care, or is keeping quiet to stay out an argument that's nowt to do with them. It only increased since Stu lost his post as a mod, and it seems like he's kicking up a stink out of jealousy and you're kicking up a stink because you're so far up his ass you can't help but copy him ¬¬ If people just got over themselves and stopped assuming they know how to run the forum when it's not there responsibility (and yes I know, I do that to, so yes I am criticising myself too), and just let the mods do what they need to, there wouldn't be all these damn arguments.
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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 11:56:26 GMT
Do not get me started on you, before you point fingers.
For one thing, Stu didn't lose his place as mod; he voluntarily quit.
Secondly, it's horrifically baffling that you of all people would accuse someone else of being up another member's rear.
Note, I didn't say it was a bad thing that all this has happened. It's got its good and bad points to it. I didn't try to deny that I was one of the main sources of criticism and such and I wouldn't try to. I know a lot of arguments probably wouldn't have happened without my contribution, but my criticisms and views are often warranted and are generally fairly balanced.
I'm no better than anyone else and people can feel free to disagree with me.
You see, this is why I didn't want to respond to Cal. Because I knew you would run in and try to save her in what wasn't an argument in the first place and start throwing wild and stupid accusations around. You started an argument. Well done.
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Post by Nam on Nov 6, 2009 12:05:03 GMT
You know why I started it? because I'm sick of sitting and watching this, and seeing people I consider my friends get upset because some people think that they have a right to criticise, call people names, and generally act like that person is an idiot just because they're working a job that means they have to step in and say "enough is enough, you've gone too far now". People are picking on the mods as if they think that in doing so they can start a revolution. People are getting very upset over this, and IMO it really needs to stop. Sure, being a mod comes with harshness, but the sheer amount they're getting is unnecessary, especially considering there's no flaw with the people, you just hate the job.
And fine, I stick up for Cal. like I stick up for all the people I care about, because I don't like it when people act like the people I care for are being pricks. I'm pretty sure anyone would stick up for there friends in such a circumstance. The fact that I'm living with Cal has nothing to do with this, I'd stick up for her and the rest of the people I like regardless of whether I saw them every day, or only spoke once a week. It shouldn't matter that I'm living with Cal, cos there are a fair few people who would stick up for her, I just happen to be online now, and completely disagree with your opinions on the issues at hand.
Either way, the amount of people with a problem with the mods is very few and far between, and the idea that everyone disagrees is rubbish. It's just a very vocal minority who think the mods are doing a rubbish job.
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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 12:12:47 GMT
And I will continue to be vocal. No matter how much I've criticised or insulted people's moderations skills, I've never made it personal or about their character.
Hell, two of the ones I complained about most are the ones I voluntarily talk to outside of the forum and consider myself okay friends with. Mambo comes under fire from me a lot and, while it's gone to heated levels in the past, I still have a laugh with her on Facebook or whatever. It's not a personal thing.
If you keep crashing your milk cart and not delivering milk, curing cancer and AIDS won't make you any better a milkman.
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Post by Super Sonic on Nov 6, 2009 12:15:38 GMT
I don't recall anyone saying they thought the mods were doing a rubbish job. I have seen one or two moderating decisions being called into question, though, and that's just natural. I believe there's inconsistency in the moderation, but that happens when there are so many of them.
The main thing people seem to forget, though is...
...IT'S JUST A MESSAGE BOARD.
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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 12:18:47 GMT
This is also true. I don't even see how someone can get upset about what I think about a job they do moderating a friggin' Sonic forum.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 6, 2009 12:21:45 GMT
Who shot who in the what now? They've put AIDS in milk?! AAAAAARGH! D: Seriously, there's no need to fight on the forum - do you want to humilate Moo for her decision? She took it, it was her decision to make. Let it be. We're discussing in the mod forum what to do and in all honesty I sympathise with Moo because we have had a lot of flak that was generally not called for and I also sympathise with those who have had their posts deleted with no explanation. That does bother us and we're trying to fix it but we can't be all tarred with the same brush - that if one mod has deleted a few posts in the past, we must all be God-modding the forum. No. That's not the case at all. I think a mountain of Everestian proportions has been made out of a molehill with the issue of moderators and its both of our faults - I have a short temper and get worried when I think people don't like me - I post about it all the damned time in the Problem Thread! But I think a few comments on the forum, snide comments have been unneccesary. We don't need that, thankyou. Keep critcising by all means, just keep it civil and to the point. I believe there's inconsistency in the moderation. Yes. Thankyou! It's a problem I see too - some of us a more lenient than the others, some see different ways of dealing with things. But there aren't that many of us. The old Muse forum I frequented had at least 3 mods per section of the forum.
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Post by Beeth on Nov 6, 2009 12:23:58 GMT
What's the problem, then? If someone wants to stand down as mod, that's their decision. I think Moo would've given further explanation if there was any major problem regarding it. But there wasn't, so why has this storm even surfaced?
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Post by Super Sonic on Nov 6, 2009 12:24:38 GMT
Seriously, there's no need to fight on the forum - do you want to humilate Moo for her decision? She took it, it was her decision to make. Let it be. I hope that was a general statement and not directed at anyone in particular.
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Post by obsidian on Nov 6, 2009 12:24:51 GMT
ITT Nam makes baseless accusations, starts inconsequential arguments, searches for conflict where there is none, and takes an internet message board based on the unofficial online continuation of a long finished comic about a talking blue hedgehog with super speed seriously TO HIDE THE FACT THAT HE'S A CUM SWILLER.
STAY HAPPY
Incidentally I like Mambo and Moo, don't consider myself opposed to the mods, except when I find it hilarious to do so, and there's no room for Mitch in Stu's ass considering I'm balls deep in there.
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Post by Beeth on Nov 6, 2009 12:26:01 GMT
Seriously, you're not helping.
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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 12:26:56 GMT
What's the problem, then? If someone wants to stand down as mod, that's their decision. I think Moo would've given further explanation if there was any major problem regarding it. But there wasn't, so why has this storm even surfaced? I made a passing, neutral comment and then Nam broke down into a fit of tears.
Seriously, my post was actually so incredibly inoffensive I'm actually kind of impressed that someone managed to make an argument out of it.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 6, 2009 12:27:54 GMT
Seriously, there's no need to fight on the forum - do you want to humilate Moo for her decision? She took it, it was her decision to make. Let it be. I hope that was a general statement and not directed at anyone in particular. Yes. Um.. the first one. I doubted it would stay with the same two people arguing! XD
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Post by obsidian on Nov 6, 2009 12:29:02 GMT
Seriously, you're not helping. Seriously, you're taking a message board seriously.
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Post by Super Sonic on Nov 6, 2009 12:30:08 GMT
The old Muse forum I frequented had at least 3 mods per section of the forum. The old Muse forum you frequented probably had more than 2000 users, and probably more than 30 regulars - it's a question of scale. I don't mean to harp on about it, but the forum I moderate has over 6000 members and all moderation is pretty much down to me and one other guy, but mostly me. I rule absolute. But seriously, my point is that it's a question of scale - I really think this board has slightly too many mods per square kilometre (you know what I mean), but it's a difficult one because not everyone has the time to be on here regularly. Sometimes having an excess of moderators helps because it means there's more chance of one being there at the time of crisis. So you (collectively) can't win! Until the people complaining against the moderators can think up a solution to these problems, I think they should hold their tongues unless they can let them loose with some common decency and refrain.
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Post by Beeth on Nov 6, 2009 12:31:09 GMT
Seriously, you're not helping. Seriously, you're taking a message board seriously. Fair comment. I'm saying no more on the matter.
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Post by obsidian on Nov 6, 2009 12:32:37 GMT
Damn straight. The old Muse forum I frequented had at least 3 mods per section of the forum. The old Muse forum you frequented probably had more than 2000 users, and probably more than 30 regulars - it's a question of scale. I don't mean to harp on about it, but the forum I moderate has over 6000 members and all moderation is pretty much down to me and one other guy, but mostly me. I rule absolute. But seriously, my point is that it's a question of scale - I really think this board has slightly too many mods per square kilometre (you know what I mean), but it's a difficult one because not everyone has the time to be on here regularly. Sometimes having an excess of moderators helps because it means there's more chance of one being there at the time of crisis. So you (collectively) can't win! Until the people complaining against the moderators can think up a solution to these problems, I think they should hold their tongues unless they can let them loose with some common decency and refrain. BRYCE WHAT ARE YOU DOING STOP MAKING SENSE, I WANT TO SEE WHERE THIS SUCKFEST GOES!
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Post by Balls on Nov 6, 2009 12:34:11 GMT
I don't really see a problem with the number. They tend to regularly rotate into different frequencies of being online. Kimbo, Tikal, Retro and particularly Sin have all decreased their amount of activity here (which is not a criticism of them- they can do what the Hell they like), while Mambo and Cal are on here fairly regularly.
At some point, the activity balance will change and the more regular mods pick up the slack of the less active ones.
Also Mitch for mod.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 6, 2009 12:34:40 GMT
The old Muse forum I frequented had at least 3 mods per section of the forum. The old Muse forum you frequented probably had more than 2000 users, and probably more than 30 regulars - it's a question of scale. I don't mean to harp on about it, but the forum I moderate has over 6000 members and all moderation is pretty much down to me and one other guy, but mostly me. I rule absolute. But seriously, my point is that it's a question of scale - I really think this board has slightly too many mods per square kilometre (you know what I mean), but it's a difficult one because not everyone has the time to be on here regularly. Sometimes having an excess of moderators helps because it means there's more chance of one being there at the time of crisis. Oh absolutely - but also when I think of how many active mods there are, which means absolutely no offence to those that aren't as glued to their laptops as I can be, there's only two or three that are actually having to moderate the forum. The others we go to for advice! XD Also, I want to change my word suggestion on that Facebook status thing of yours to SUPREME RULER! Oh, [censored] that's two words... never mind!
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