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Post by The Shad on Nov 12, 2011 15:59:45 GMT
Can't say I know anyone who doesn't like "DUCK TALES! WOO-OOOH!" ^_^ I don't. Good show, mind (what I remember of it), but the theme never appealed to me. Darkwing Duck, however, is classy as all hell. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 15, 2011 12:39:10 GMT
Um I like Swat kats more than Duck Tales and Darkwing Duck but it is maybe be curse Swat Kats is a bit darker and more serious  Dont get me wrong I like Duck Tales and Darkwing Duck  I but this intro here if you dont now what Swat Kats is ;D |
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Post by shodic on Dec 3, 2011 15:28:45 GMT
I don´t like cartoons anymore I prefer anime
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 3, 2011 17:40:57 GMT
Same. I could explain why but, waste of time.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Dec 6, 2011 8:37:17 GMT
But they are basically the same thing.
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Post by shodic on Dec 11, 2011 0:56:59 GMT
cartoons are very childlike
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Post by Ryan James on Dec 11, 2011 3:30:19 GMT
But they are basically the same thing. Basically? They are the same thing. |
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 11, 2011 10:47:24 GMT
If we're talking strictly in terms of them both being animation, then yes, they're the same. But I can't consider them comparable in any other way - cosmetically, aesthetically or in tone. I've never seen a Western cartoon that has an anime feel, they have a distinct style all of their own, and it appeals to me more.
I will go into further detail if anyone thinks this isn't sufficient, but I'd really rather not have this debate, as it tends to get needlessly defensive.
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Post by Calisto on Dec 11, 2011 11:41:10 GMT
cartoons are very childlike If I may interject, I did an entire essay on whether the medium of animation can be anything more than just "for children". There's a massive amount of what you could call "cartoony" animation, that is in no way for children at all. Anime is just another method of animation, and it too can be directed towards different ages. Stu, I'd love to talk with you further on this, if you want to, on MSN. |
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Post by Badly-Drawn Manchild on Dec 11, 2011 16:13:26 GMT
cartoons are very childlike I'm gonna pretend you never said that. I'm inclined to agree with Calisto; anime is just another form of animation, one that can be used for a wide variety of tones and subject matter, just like Western animation can. The thing is that in the West animation has culturally always been regarded as "just for children". You get the odd exception, but in general that's how western society views it. On the other side of the coin Japanese animation does cover a wide variety of stories and subject matter, for both kids and adults (sometimes including lewd adult humour in what would traditionally be kid's shows, like certain episodes of Pokemon). It's just a difference in cultural mentalities at work. Funnily enough, according to my research, the anime style as we know it came about as almost an accident. I'm sure I read somewhere that manga maestro Osamu Tezuka, when he started working in animation, wanted to make grand, smoothly-animated flicks like Disney did, but didn't have the budget for it. So he decided to use the "anime style" as a stop-gap, but it ended up catching on and becoming practically a national style. I'm not a fan of the anime style, personally (honestly it sometimes feels to me more that I'm looking at a storyboard or animatic than a fully-animated feature), but that's just my preference, and I at least appreciate that they don't seem to perceive animation as being strictly a "kids thing". |
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Post by Tom J on Dec 11, 2011 17:30:21 GMT
cartoons are very childlike yep. |
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Post by Blizz on Dec 11, 2011 19:22:36 GMT
I got quite attached to this one when I was still able to watch it.
Probably because it reminded me of Rocko's Modern Life.
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 12, 2011 19:05:10 GMT
Cartoons are very childlike, in a manner of speaking. Same with videogames, but, again, won't elaborate 'cos of the above reactions.
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Post by Tom J on Dec 13, 2011 13:09:02 GMT
we're running on the reasonable assumption that he means "childish", not "childlike".
I'm not even all that sure what it means to say cartoons are "childlike".
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Post by Pitt on Dec 13, 2011 17:21:02 GMT
cartoons are very childlike The same could be said of some anime series, I suppose, though I imagine that standards regarding what's appropriate differs. That being said, just because something is childish doesn't necessarily mean it's not enjoyable. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It's still rock and roll to me; regardless of whether it's eastern or western, so long as the fans can enjoy it and not get horribly defensive it shouldn't cause any grief. What sets anime apart for me is more or less what differentiates comic books from manga. Most of the popular anime series have an overall narrative, whereas the majority of western cartoons tend to be episodic. But I don't know about animation, to be honest. |
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Post by ShayMay on Dec 13, 2011 17:35:37 GMT
I don't really think they should be categorised as such. You can have adult cartoons and childish anime. They aren't inherent qualities.
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 13, 2011 18:41:03 GMT
we're running on the reasonable assumption that he means "childish", not "childlike". I'm not even all that sure what it means to say cartoons are "childlike". Well, we all know he means that. I mean, rather than split hairs, we could just agree that yes, cartoons are childish, inherently so, in the same way that videogames are adolescent. That's why "adult animation" is always qualified as such. |
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Post by Pitt on Dec 13, 2011 20:34:23 GMT
I guess that makes sense.
I actually find it quite irritating when folks (and this is especially true on websites like TV Tropes, I find) try to come up with silly justifications for why cartoons they like are actually for adults. It's fine to enjoy a kids' cartoon or comic book or something but it makes you look less mature if you try to emphasise how grown-up it really is.
Am I making sense? (I'm aware some folks will probably disagree...)
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Post by Blizz on Dec 13, 2011 20:56:42 GMT
*coughBRONIES*
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Post by Badly-Drawn Manchild on Dec 13, 2011 21:23:26 GMT
I guess that makes sense. I actually find it quite irritating when folks (and this is especially true on websites like TV Tropes, I find) try to come up with silly justifications for why cartoons they like are actually for adults. It's fine to enjoy a kids' cartoon or comic book or something but it makes you look less mature if you try to emphasise how grown-up it really is. Am I making sense? (I'm aware some folks will probably disagree...) You won't hear any argument from me there. I mean, I still enjoy a lot of the cartoons that I grew up with as a kid (hell, I hunted down DVD boxsets of Batman: TAS, Gargoyles and Count Duckula), but I'd never go so far as to try to justify why they're "really for adults". That's just damn laughable, especially when, to my mind, the best cartoons are capable of entertaining both kids and adults without trying specifically to appeal to either. It's rather ironic how rabidly claiming something's "really for adults" makes you look more immature than the kids. |
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Post by ShayMay on Dec 13, 2011 21:24:51 GMT
Well, we all know he means that. I mean, rather than split hairs, we could just agree that yes, cartoons are childish, inherently so, in the same way that videogames are adolescent. That's why "adult animation" is always qualified as such. Uh-huh, which is the same reason that comic books are sometimes identified as graphic novels, which I recall you disagreeing with. Although other people may come up with categorisations for this type of thing, it's all just "cartoons" and "comics" to me. Yes, perhaps terms like "adult animation" need to be employed to have Joe Public accept it as something more than childish, but for me personally, cartoons can be for children, for adults, and anything in between. Similarly, I disagree about gaming being for adolescents; there are loads of games for adults, loads of games for children, etc. The thing is, these are entire media. Proclaiming ALL cartoons to be childish is ludicrous; that's like claiming books or films are childish - they can be, sure, but it's not inherent to the medium. Now, in the public eye, cartoons are for kids, but to be honest, I've never seen anyone who has said that actually sit down and watch any kind of cartoon. I'm sure you're familiar with some of the popular anime stereotypes that simply aren't true, and while they may constitute popular opinion, that doesn't necessarily mean public opinion is correct. That being said, I agree with Shaz and Manchild. I love and actively watch loads of cartoons that are undeniably for children. They're fun, to me. |
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 13, 2011 21:32:42 GMT
I guess that makes sense. I actually find it quite irritating when folks (and this is especially true on websites like TV Tropes, I find) try to come up with silly justifications for why cartoons they like are actually for adults. It's fine to enjoy a kids' cartoon or comic book or something but it makes you look less mature if you try to emphasise how grown-up it really is. Am I making sense? (I'm aware some folks will probably disagree...) Yeah, exactly. It's one of my pet peeves, though conversely they can be making very valid points. The cartoons they watch aren't for adults, but anyone can enjoy what they enjoy, if that makes sense. I, personally, have an extremely tough time enjoying any Western-made children's shows lately (that is, air on a children's network such as daytime CN, or Nick), but a lot of anime shows have held great appeal for me. There's a particular ethos, or sense of... priorities, I'm inclined to call it, that is much more interesting than anything contemporary Western cartoons can push out. |
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 13, 2011 21:43:44 GMT
Uh-huh, which is the same reason that comic books are sometimes identified as graphic novels, which I recall you disagreeing with. It's not exactly the same reason. Graphic novels tend to be standalone, comic books tend to be serials. I do disagree with it though. Comics is comics. Gaming is childish, inherently so. This is not really intended to be a negative point - it's just that all games, no matter how complex or "adult" they are, will invariably be something you play with, and the very act of "playing" itself has childish connotations. This is not something that's meant to detract from one's enjoyment or respect for videogames, just to recognise them for what they are. Cartoons weren't even originally for kids, but that's the connotation/stigma they carry, and the association that's always made. It's necessary to recognise and accept this or you'll be arguing the toss 'til kingdom come. I love videogames and animation but I still acknowledge what they are, and how they're perceived. There's no shame or resignation in doing so. I went into tremendous detail on the "videogames are childish" thing on another forum a while back. The way I was received, you'd think I raped a kid or something. |
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Post by Badly-Drawn Manchild on Dec 13, 2011 21:57:00 GMT
xactly. It's one of my pet peeves, though conversely they can be making very valid points. The cartoons they watch aren't for adults, but anyone can enjoy what they enjoy, if that makes sense. That's essentially the same point I was trying to make, though I put it across in a more stupid manner. An adult is perfectly capable of enjoying a kid's cartoon, even though it wasn't originally made with them in mind. It's like why I've never bought into the whole "kid's games/adult games" thing; the more I hear that argument the less water it holds. When I play a game I'm looking to overcome a series of challenges. Beyond that, provided the challenges remain consistently fun and intriguing, if the developer's used a few colours I'm willing to cut them some slack. |
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 13, 2011 21:59:52 GMT
Yeah precisely.
I mean, I can skip from, say, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, to Donkey Kong Country Returns, and I don't feel like there's any sense of regression there. Neither game is more or less adult.
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