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Post by madhair60 on Jun 18, 2010 11:20:14 GMT
Imagine a great arse. Like, a fantastic arse. The kind of arse you want to frame and put up on your bedroom ceiling. Visualise a camera pan across it, slowly, just panning across this shimmering, magnificent arse. That's Sonic from the release of the first game until the end of 1998. Occasionally, yes, you'll see a pimple or some sort of blemish (Sonic 3D etc), but generally this is an arse you can get behind.
Now, imagine that, without warning, the arse starts to defecate. A long, thick sausage of faeces, stretching out and out, on and on. Your eyes widen, disbelieving, imagining passing such an object yourself, simultaneously disgusted and fascinated.
Do you see? That log is Sonic from the end of 1998 until now. Sure, there are occasional, small bits of sweetcorn or whatever in there (Sonic Advance, Rush), but mostly, no matter how you look at it, that massive arse is doing a crap. And that's what the Sonic series is. An arse doing a poo on your face.
Edit: Incidentally, Shaker's pointed out that if you're a coprophile, ignore this post, the analogy is wasted.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 18, 2010 11:41:54 GMT
I... But... ._.
I now have this image of Stu gazing in wonderment at this posterior, little sparkles in his eyes, hands clasped lovingly.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jun 18, 2010 12:16:08 GMT
That's...
I...
Bad Stu.
Baaaad Stu.
DX
That's a horrible, horrible post.
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Post by Retro on Jun 18, 2010 14:33:11 GMT
It's not. But four words (three words and a number, then): Super Mario Galaxy 2. It allows kids to come in and play an excellent game. At the same time, it caters to the older crowd who grew up with the plumber, allowing them to play an excellent game. There is nothing stopping Sonic from doing the same, except perhaps Sonic Team's infuriating tendency to cock things up (admittedly, a pretty big nothing). Just now, rather than listen to a fanbase that's as all over the place as a skitzo in a hall of mirrors, Sonic Team need to make a decision about where Sonic is going from here and stick the Hell to it, not bounce ideas from the different fanbases around so it ends up as one big goopy mess. Sonic may not be being made for us nowadays, but I think we can all agree it's more than nostalgia that keeps us going back to Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Why shouldn't Sonic Team appeal to these kids in the same way they appealed to us - by making a timeless, quality game, that caters to both kids and adults with the universally-appealing medium of good gameplay?
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Post by Exu on Jun 18, 2010 14:56:55 GMT
All the E3 footage has been of the Wii version, I wanna see the DS one as that's more likely to be good.
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Post by Emilybee on Jun 18, 2010 15:41:16 GMT
Someone mentioned kids games...
Well I must say, theres kiddies games and theres "fun for all" games. Part of Sonic's early success is owed to its "fun for all" aspects, but at some point its stopped being "fun for all" and became "fun on occusions" and "fun for some". To cover its tracks, it became "fun for kids" only.
Point is, anyone could enjoy the first Sonic games, now only the pre-teens can. Someone pointed out, there is great divide in Sonic fans overall. It doesn't matter Sonic is a kiddies game, older then our generation played the game when it first came out... Because it was fun.
Remember the time cartoons were only for kids? What happened at the end of the 90s? Anime! Mostly it was driven by odd tastes of adult cartoons that slipped out from the 80s, but the 90s opened the gate for everything. Heck, I watch Metalocalypse whenever a new episode appears... This face it, the current world today means cartoons are no longer just a taste for children.
So, yeah, Colours is a kiddie game, its not for us... But SEGA surely knows kids aren't only playing it? Part of me thinks its something thats happened between the 80s and now. Lets take for instance Tom and Jerry, you now can't get hold of T + J in its orginal format legally on TV or shop since they've censored all the smoking in it. But that era had jokes in it aimed at adults, not just kids, after all - who took the kids to the cinema? Now the parents plop the kid in front of the TV and leave them too it, which means the TV is a babysitter. So there are not so many jokes for adults in media for kids overall.
Where am I going? Well, back to the Sonic games... They were kiddies game - but it didn't keep having to remind you its a kiddie game. You bought it, it said it was a kiddie game, you played it, it looked like a kiddie game - but past the look, box the lack of a storyline and all made it a game anyone could play. And when I compare Unleashed... Yeah, the storyline just kept reminding me its a kiddie game.
Thank you SEGA, I almost wouldn't have released it if random character no. 35 hadn't had that giant nose on his face. Amazingly, once inside the levels, most of the time you pretty much forgot the game was for kids... But it was outside the levels...
Well Colours is in that style, only the food level looks like its constantlyh going to say as you play it "I'm a kiddie game" all the time. Which is sad. Okay, Casino levels werent' great, kids don't go to casinos, but they do the task of not reminding you what your playing at least. But a giant food level is only supassed by a giant toy level on the kiddie reminder scale...
...I beat there is a giant toy level isn't there now I've said it.
Anyway, sorry for the long post. :-P
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Post by Alex on Jun 18, 2010 15:54:22 GMT
All the E3 footage has been of the Wii version, I wanna see the DS one as that's more likely to be good. IGN has screenshots of the DS version. It's Sonic Rush 3.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jun 18, 2010 16:11:20 GMT
Remember the time cartoons were only for kids? What happened at the end of the 90s? Anime! INACCURATE STATEMENT SENSE TINGLING.
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Post by The Shad on Jun 18, 2010 16:31:11 GMT
Remember the time cartoons were only for kids? What happened at the end of the 90s? Anime! Or, y'know, this.And this.
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Post by Insector on Jun 18, 2010 16:36:47 GMT
Sonic looks like a complete arse to control when he's stood still/going slow and you're trying to do some precise platforming.
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Post by Emilybee on Jun 18, 2010 16:45:08 GMT
Yeah but you know guys. Those things were allowed through because there was a cultural shift happening from the 80s, when the first handful of animes got out of Japan... Lets see there also was that bad music movie too in the 80s that got popular and became a cult classic because it featured boobs... Which during the 80s was hard to see in media. But you know, its not inaccurate and most kids didn't get to see B and B and things like that.
Not completely inaccurate, animre was the button that let the flood gates open wide, before then all we had was one or two odd shows! -_-'
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Post by Balls on Jun 18, 2010 16:45:28 GMT
Gameplay looks like a more empty Unleashed.
Having said that, I'm shocked no one acknowledged that this is probably the first level, which would be typically less challenging than later levels.
So it could go either way. Following levels could be more challenging, complex and fun or it could be filled with fake difficulty and frustration, as seen in parts of the later, weaker levels of HD Unleashed.
I'd be happy if it incoporated the positive points of both versions of Unleashed. I know it's generally considered that the Wii/PS2 version of Unleashed were terrible, but some of its features improved over the HD version.
Main point: checkpoints. HD Unleashed went for the classic approach of the dual starpost thingy we've seen since Adventure, which could sometimes be a minute or so behind where you died, causing you to replay parts of the level time and time again until you hated them, just to get to the bit you will continuously die at.
Wii/PS2 Unleashed gave you automatic, frequent checkpoints. If you fall down one of the many bottomless pits, you would simply go back to the last bit of stable ground you were on.
There was also none of that medal collecting bullcrap for fake longevity. Wii/PS2 failed in its level design, but the pace and flow was the best we've seen from Sonic in a while. Except maybe the terrible day/night level balance.
Arch is pretty spot on with his "Sonic isn't aimed at us" statement. I think the fact that it's clearly the next major Sonic game and it's not even seeing a 360/PS3 release is a pretty damn big hint.
Official statement from Sega:
Having said that, just because it's for kids, there's no reason the kids shouldn't be given a good game.
Still, it doesn't matter. The kids' mums will buy this game for their children and the angry nerds who know they'll hate it will also buy it. What's the point in spending time and effort producing something of quality when you'll still make the same amount of money regardless? It's the same reason reality shows, Sprite Zero and the XBox360 still exist.
Although this statement applies to Sonic games in general and not this one specifically. I actually am fairly interested in this game because I enjoyed Unleashed.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jun 18, 2010 16:52:02 GMT
Not completely inaccurate, animre was the button that let the flood gates open wide, before then all we had was one or two odd shows! That's not the way it went. At all. Argh.
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Post by Baxter on Jun 18, 2010 17:26:08 GMT
Videos of Candy Mountain are up, btw.
Eh; personally I think this looks alright. But then I liked Unleashed, so of course, mileage will vary.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 18, 2010 17:32:21 GMT
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Post by Nam on Jun 18, 2010 17:49:49 GMT
Yeah but you know guys. Those things were allowed through because there was a cultural shift happening from the 80s, when the first handful of animes got out of Japan... Lets see there also was that bad music movie too in the 80s that got popular and became a cult classic because it featured boobs... Which during the 80s was hard to see in media. But you know, its not inaccurate and most kids didn't get to see B and B and things like that. Not completely inaccurate, animre was the button that let the flood gates open wide, before then all we had was one or two odd shows! -_-' forgetting of course that when cartoons were first made in the early part of twentieth century, they were to appeal to all sorts of audiences, including some that were adult only. The old bugs bunny catoons, were satirical at times, and not purely seens as for kids like there are now. Moving further forwards, in the Sixties there was the Flintstones, which was seen as an animated sitcom, and while hardly dirty or risky like adult cartoons like South Park are, they were still considered adult cartoons. Anime didn't cause adult orientated cartoons with adult themes either. The Simpson's started puching boundries, with other cartoons coming along and pushing it further. Anime didn't become anything close to mainstream until after the introduction of Pokémon (save for the odd show like Transformers making waves prior). Yes, there is a lot of Anime and while some of it is intended for kids, as much isn't. The only reason there's a lot more adult Anime tha western cartoons is to do with conflicting cultures. In the west, because of the likes of Disney and other companies, as well as other social impacts, cartoons became more and more things targeted primarily at kids. Meanwhile, in Japan, there was never such a movement. Cartoon were just another form of entertainment, one that had more creative freedom. However Japanese law also meant that certain adult things that are legal in the west (primarily pornographic), cannot be broadcast or shown in any form. However, while they're not legal to show like this on a person, it's perfectly legal to show it in an animated form. This lead to a culture that didn't perceive cartoons as things for kids. But while the japanese had adult cartoons, they were hardly making there way across to the west. Predominantly it was shows like The Simpsons and South Park that set the way for cartoons aimed at adults, as well as cartoons like Batman and Animaniacs, which, while made primarily for kids to watch, had a sizeable adult fanbase, because they were well written, contained some jokes that only adults would get, proving to the west that cartoons were capable of being something adults could watch, which was then supplimented with all the adult anime's that came over when the anime boom hit shortly ater the global success of Pokémon. Anime didn't suddenly create the idea of cartoons or adults, it just filled a newly found gap in the market as far as western audiences were concerned, giving producers something that could potentially tap into both the success of Pokémon, and the success of adult cartoons.[/off topic]
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Post by Emilybee on Jun 18, 2010 21:20:31 GMT
To be honest, I'd rather talk about Sonic, rather then TV in general. ;-)
But I made a point, Sonic's been made more apparent that its a kids game... The rest is just fluff fuelled by boredom.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jun 19, 2010 9:58:31 GMT
s003.radikal.ru/i204/1006/49/e282a357217f.png God damn it Sega, why do you do this. I should hate it, its going to be Sonic Unleashed Daytime with some minor gimmicks, but it has charm. So much charm. And a Metal Sonic planet. (Edited so it wasn't breaking the format)
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Post by Feniiku on Jun 19, 2010 10:24:49 GMT
That deserty one reminds me of a cat XD But that's probably just me lol. I love Eggman's new space ship XD That Metal Sonic reminded me of the old Sonic 2 Silver Sonic at first glance actually XD
Edit: I was talking with Thalia and I will laugh if it's something like a Death Egg with Sonic's mugshot on it XD
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Post by Emilybee on Jun 22, 2010 21:47:10 GMT
The Metal Sonic planet reminds me of something else... But not as creepy...
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Post by The Shad on Jun 23, 2010 10:30:50 GMT
What's this I'm hearing about it being written by the guys who did Happy Tree Friends?
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Post by Emilybee on Jun 23, 2010 22:23:29 GMT
Oh please not them anything but- Oh wait, I don't know who they are... '
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Post by Retro on Jun 24, 2010 0:25:50 GMT
About 10 times better than any writer thats worked on Sonic games up till now...
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Post by madhair60 on Jun 24, 2010 9:17:55 GMT
Eh, I dunno, man. Sonic Battle.
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Jun 24, 2010 17:45:06 GMT
oh, my ogsh, this seems simply great! It reminds me a little bit of The Sonic unleashed levels: Chun-nan and Spagonia
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