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Post by Alex on Jan 21, 2011 23:19:53 GMT
Translation: They changed something, so now it's crap. I like how you've essentially written off the whole effort based on a teaser trailer. This is just the sort of panicky reaction I was anticipating from folk. Fans are expected to do professional work UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, whilst professionals are expected to do fan work UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. Only in the Sonic fandom, folks. I said and indicated neither such thing and I'd appreciate not being patronised by having words put into my mouth. However, the idea of making Sonic's model like this is a bad one. It looks really bad. Whether it was made by fans or by a professional team with a budget of millions changes nothing. It is a poor decision and I will criticise it as such. At the end of the day, what do you want me to say? Just because this isn't an official movie with a massive budget doesn't mean it can't fall under any possible criticism for doing wrong or stupid things.
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Post by Blizz on Jan 21, 2011 23:35:36 GMT
If Sonic existed in the real world, he probably would look a little something like that. Maybe with smoother fur, but still.
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Post by Alex on Jan 21, 2011 23:37:31 GMT
He'd also look like this: So, really, the whole 'real world' thing is splitting hairs.
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Post by lordgazza on Jan 21, 2011 23:42:17 GMT
Sonic's voice is great. The animation is great. The model is absolutely terrible. Awful. He just looks like a big blue furry cushion. It goes so far as to completely discolour him into looking far too dark a colour of blue too. Basically, they've made him into the Werehog without the bendy limbs and teeth. You'd think as a fan film they'd be about sticking to the source material as closely as possible. This is the sort of [censored] you'd expect an actual movie with meddling executives to pull. Translation: They changed something, so now it's crap. I like how you've essentially written off the whole effort based on a teaser trailer. This is just the sort of panicky reaction I was anticipating from folk. I was expecting this kind of reaction anything Sonic related that takes a step away from original designs always sparks some bit of controversy. I think we need to see it like this. As a blend of live action and cgi it must give some aspect of realism but must also keep a cartoony feel to it. What they've done here is kept for the most part Sonic's iconic look but added in the fur resembling the spikes of a normal hedgehog to add some depth. Could it be abit smoother? sure it could. But as Blizz says if Sonic were real this is probably what it would look like. But as has already been stated its a teaser trailer the film itself is very much still in the early stages. The voice recording with jaleel is done but there is still much more to do. One of the main things Eddie has reiterated is that he will take people's comments on board as he procedes from this point on so it is like all films' teaser trailer still subject to change. That being said I like it and I think it would be wise to reserve full condemning until we see a full trailer. It is unfair to pass sentence before the trial has even commenced. EDIT: also with regards to the voice apparently they recorded two versions of sonic's lines, one with the younger satam and aosth take on Sonic and the other the current voice which was choosen to be an evolution of the younger seeing sonic as abit older and more mature but still having the speck of youth within it which is the direction they are going for. This Sonic film is meant to be a serious enough take on the franchaise that is also not afraid to make fun if itself or be humourous as well. Again this all could change as both versions exist.
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Post by Beeth on Jan 21, 2011 23:45:25 GMT
Well at the end of the day, each to their own. Some people will welcome the design, some people won't. Like I said, it's inevitable when you take liberties and make changes.
I'll be interested to see how it develops with future releases of material.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jan 22, 2011 0:14:22 GMT
Super Saiyan 4 GokuI think I understand what you're saying, but in the end (as Beeth has already said, nippy little typist that he is) it all comes down to personal preference. Personally I think it's a change, for many it won't be a welcome one (as you've already said), but there will be, or are, those who like the design. I like it purely because it's something different, although that is from the perspective of a person who never played Unleashed. It's just one a movie, after all. It isn't as though it's important enough to effect (affect?) the game designs themselves or anything... Although I haven't played the new releases for some time, so I couldn't really muster up any particular emotion toward it either way. Edit: good grief, did it really take me half an hour to type that?
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Post by Baron Canier on Jan 22, 2011 0:23:54 GMT
It's just one a movie, after all. It isn't as though it's important enough to effect (affect?) the game designs themselves or anything. It's "affect", yeah.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jan 22, 2011 0:26:46 GMT
Damnit.
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Post by Retro on Jan 22, 2011 4:56:49 GMT
Model looks ghastly.
Is it because they made him fuzzy? Nah.
Is it because that fuzz looks like it was rendered by a monkey banging a keyboard? Oh yes.
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Post by SEGAMew on Jan 22, 2011 10:11:21 GMT
Hey SEGAMew here (I've been traveling through many forums lately...). I know it's kinda difficult to see Sonic in the teaser trailer with everything being so dark. Anyway I'll plug in a few 3D model sheets here so you guys can have a better understanding of how Sonic's fur and spines are like. As always with any production in process, everything is subjected to change. We value any and all fan criticisms, positive and negative =) www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/IMG_0877.jpgwww.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/IMG_0874.jpgHigher resolution of the 2nd link: www.sonicsatam.com/fanfilm/picpage/pictures/A1.jpgAs someone stated, it is a simple thing of preference. Some dig it, some are appalled and spit all over it. If you have any suggestions on how to possibly enhance the believability and realism, yet still keep the fantasy attributes of Sonic, drop Mr. Lebron a line (you can find the contact page at http://www.sonicfanfilm.com). He welcomes any and all input from all Sonic fans, whether it be the larger game communities, nearly cult status SatAM/Archie communities, or pretty exclusive small communities like Fleetway.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jan 22, 2011 10:49:34 GMT
Rendered by mange. D:
Other than the fur its ok. Im sure I saw a much nicer model with fur kicking about.
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Post by SEGAMew on Jan 22, 2011 11:39:49 GMT
All Sonic needs is a nice comb down, some conditioner, some ribbons and bows...
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Post by Beeth on Jan 22, 2011 12:13:54 GMT
Well I can hardly say this sin't a great effort. It's an ambitious project, it's had the backing of hordes of fans and the overall dedication to the project is quite admiraable.
Best of luck with the rest of the project, I look forward to seeing the results of your labour.
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Jan 22, 2011 14:22:31 GMT
This looks very promising, although I am slightly disappointed that it's not going to be feature length. But hey, Urkel's matured voice now sounds ideal for Sonic. I'd rather he call Eggman 'Robotnik', though.
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Post by SEGAMew on Jan 22, 2011 14:56:51 GMT
He will be called Dr. Robotnik in the film. The teaser is a bit misleading/vague. The Eggman term Sonic used is in the context of it being an insult.
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Post by madhair60 on Jan 22, 2011 15:21:26 GMT
Ahaha I just saw the trailer and literally cringed the entire time. Writing, VA, everything. Oh, and Alex is right, Sonic looks [censored] ugly. Not just [censored] ugly, he looks wrong, he looks like they did the textures wrong.
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Post by Retro on Jan 22, 2011 15:30:01 GMT
Went back and had another look at the Megaman film from before.
It was alright, one does have to remember the lower budget, and I did find the Dr Wily and Dr Light acting quite funny. But the CGI was the weaker part unfortunately. I've seen some great fanfilms (Check out "Born of Hope", a LOTR fanfilm) and I know that good quality CGI is possible. Megaman got away with it because the CGI wasn't the important parts.
Sonic however worries me, the CGI is the main character.
I'm all for waiting and seeing. Just right now I don't feel the model is doing enough to make me want to watch it being a lead character for a movie.
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Post by Moo on Jan 22, 2011 15:38:07 GMT
Well he looks ok from the side, I think the spines/fur could do with being combed so to speak, they seem to be a bit more prominent than they should be.
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Post by Alex on Jan 22, 2011 15:57:41 GMT
The problem with approaching Sonic as a CGI character is the fact he already is one. Sonic's worked for years with in-game models, and even the most recent and most powerful still keep him looking sleek, light blue and, well, like Sonic.
Why mess with something that works as it is? Sonic's model is otherwise appropriately designed and proportioned, but the way it's been textured is just wrong. It's wrong to say it's bad because the fur texture and animation clearly requires a hell of a lot of extra work - but at the end of the day, it's wasted work because Sonic just doesn't look like Sonic.
Like I said before, as a film made by fans, you'd think that changing stuff like this just for the sake of changing it would be the absolute last thing to happen. Just stick to the source material - that's all anyone wants from a fan film like this because God knows no official film would make the effort.
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Post by Moo on Jan 22, 2011 16:06:34 GMT
The film is made by fans, so they have no obligation to service anyone with it other than themselves. They're doing it in their own style, which I think is quite commendable. Imagine if this had been the 90's and they'd done this with the new Sonic style, people would moan about that too. It's their film, let them do what they want.
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Post by Slender Man on Jan 22, 2011 17:35:04 GMT
I personally am quite happy with what I've seen so far. The new style (if it is kept) could work really well, given the style of movie they're making, and it's never a bad thing someone wanting to bring something new with their own twist. I look forward to seeing more.
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Post by lordgazza on Jan 22, 2011 18:39:16 GMT
Ahaha I just saw the trailer and literally cringed the entire time. Writing, VA, everything. Oh, and Alex is right, Sonic looks [censored] ugly. Not just [censored] ugly, he looks wrong, he looks like they did the textures wrong. How is the VA wrong? indeed how can it possibly be wrong? this is Jaleel White the original voice of Sonic after all. What way would you have it? As I said I see it as an evolution of the old Sonic voice. As a whole I have great hopes for this project. To say that the model is as you put it [censored]ing ugly is to be quite overly critical of something A) You havent seen fully yet B) Is still a work in process and therefore subject to change has SEGAmoo said. Again like I said its passing sentence before the trial has even begun. At the end of the day its their own interpretation and we have to respect that. What would the point of making the film be if its just the exact same as everything we've seen before.
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Post by madhair60 on Jan 22, 2011 20:29:29 GMT
I don't have to respect anything, I don't reward people for getting up in the morning. Of course I'm judging it based on the trailer - it's all I've seen. And it's [censored], and the V/A is embarrassing, and the model is [censored] ugly. Have you honestly never watched a trailer and gone "that looks bad, I'm not watching that"?
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Post by Calisto on Jan 22, 2011 20:51:22 GMT
Hey SEGAMew, I'm jus wondering if those images are the only ones you have? I don't know whether it's just me or not, but the quality of the images makes it pretty hard for me to look at it properly. Don't you have any decent quality model sheets, maybe direct renders instead of a photo of a projection?
You were right when you said about it being too dark with the trailer. I'd prefer to see model sheets with normal lighting, or studio lighting, whichever your 3d guy/s know. With the trailer, eh, bit too dark as I mentioned, can't really comment properly. Good for you guys for doing this project, but I might wait and see for now.
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