lordgazza
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"What part of stay away from the apple tree did you not get?!"
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Post by lordgazza on Jan 22, 2011 20:51:45 GMT
The problem is you are condemning it on the teaser, its not even the full trailer and personally no i've never decided not to see something just on the trailer, I give it the benefit of the doubt until I see the film and then I pass judgement. It all goes back to the book and its cover issue. You reiterated your points but you have yet to give a reason for why you think it the V/A is embarrassing oer why the model is as you put it [censored] ugly. Not to be preachy but was the [censored] necessary. I'm not suggesting you respect someone for getting up in the morning I'm saying you respect them for the effort they put into it and the descisions they made in what is in the end "their" film not any of ours. If it ends up being bad I will say so but I will do so knowing I gave the film the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by madhair60 on Jan 22, 2011 21:52:05 GMT
I don't respect the decisions they made, though. They've decided to make Sonic look wrong. They've decided to cast the infuriatingly obnoxious Jaleel White in the lead role, whose voice work I have never enjoyed. They decided to write that teaser on the level of a GCSE English first-year who's just read a Robert Ludlum book.
If it helps you come to terms with this, my opinion of this film is really of no more consequence than anyone else's. I won't be watching and I won't be missing out on anything. It's just more Sonic fanfiction.
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lordgazza
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"What part of stay away from the apple tree did you not get?!"
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Post by lordgazza on Jan 22, 2011 22:06:58 GMT
Sir I accept that this is just your opinion but I merely felt you were being abit overly harsh on something that hasnt even been released yet. I think you can respect the fact that many sonic fans like Jaleel White's Sonic and the fact they were able to get him to voice again in such a capacity is something to be admired. But I guess we must agree to disagree, if it seemed like I was attacking you personally or you took offence to anything I said I am sorry but I stand by my stance of not casting my final judgement until the film is released. EDIT: I managed to track down video footage of the magfest panel if anyone is interested blip.tv/file/4665686 |
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SEGAMew
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Post by SEGAMew on Jan 23, 2011 7:33:49 GMT
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Post by Calisto on Jan 23, 2011 11:37:11 GMT
Looking at that partner site has made me realise something. You really are planning on making Sonic look that dark, I thought the "high quality" image you posted before was just bad quality... I'd have liked to see something like the Motobug render, that looks quite nice, and I imagine with metal shaders and stuff it should look cool. But eh, wait and see.
Also, you tell us to ignore the comments section, that just makes me want to read it more. Trolls or not, you shouldn't try and joke away people's complaints. Even if they state it badly, if more than one person is saying the same thing, that should be taken as a valid critique. Even if nothing can be done about it at this stage.
In some photos I've seen, Sonic looks almost black. Looking at the official render, I can see that you have made him pretty dark to begin with. I'm just wondering why.
I have to say though, free projects can't avoid critique just because they're being given to the public to watch/play for free. The Doctor Who PC games, STCO, and this. When my comic in STCO went over badly, I took a lesson from that, and hopefully improved, but only time can tell.
Last of all, I realise that these are teaser trailers and stuff, but I really would prefer better quality shots. Maybe I'm coming across as pretentious, I don't mean to be, but I do have a massive interest in 3d, being an animator/game artist myself. It's been drilled into me over the years on how to properly present something, and that Motobug render is the only thing so far I've seen that has been properly presented.
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SEGAMew
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Post by SEGAMew on Jan 23, 2011 12:27:56 GMT
All of the recordings shot by a third party is most likely due to their settings on their equipment, as the room went from lit to dark and most people recording don't really want to shut off their equipment and properly adjust the lighting intake. The reason I say to ignore the turmoil in the comments section really means that. Ignore the TURMOIL. One person in particular is a very ambitious person who doesn't see eye to eye with the rest of the fanbase. We didn't ignore any criticism, Eddie reads every suggestion here and whatever hits his email inbox. Right now, the only material directly relating to Sonic's model and came straight from Eddie are the ones you saw on FUS. The HD trailer and more material will be released when the time comes for it. I'm sure Eddie doesn't want to overhype it and release everything at once like with what happened with Sonic Unleashed. I can't give you a clear answer as to why Sonic is that dark of a blue. "How blue should be make Sonic?" is one of those questions that naturally pops up when rendering. There could be dozens of reasons why they picked this dark of a blue. I like to imagine a darker blue would blend into a realistic environment than a brighter blue. But if you feel like he should be a lighter blue, I'll go and relay that message to Eddie. You can also contact him yourself and ask any other questions you may like to here eddielebron.com/contact/Thanks for your input, it is appreciated! |
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Jan 23, 2011 12:36:21 GMT
"How blue should be make Sonic?" This blue:  As blue as Sonic. Joking apart, I'm sure I'll check the end result of this out. |
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Post by Calisto on Jan 23, 2011 13:14:52 GMT
Just a lighter blue. Check out what sort of blues are in real life, and base it on those if you have to. I didn't mean making him bright neon blue like in the games, but the black/blue just looks wrong.
Thanks for the link directly to Eddie, if I can think of any more questions, I'll be sure to ask directly there, but thanks for passing along the message.
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Post by Alex on Jan 23, 2011 15:11:43 GMT
All of the recordings shot by a third party is most likely due to their settings on their equipment, as the room went from lit to dark and most people recording don't really want to shut off their equipment and properly adjust the lighting intake. What, exactly, is preventing the actual video itself from being uploaded? I don't really understand why you're relying on photos and videos taken via mobile phone by a third party to show material that clearly was created to share with the public and then not sharing that actual material with the public. It'd be like Marvel doing its entire marketing for Thor based off pictures and videos people took at ComicCon. It's bizarre. Well, I did. The suggestion is make Sonic look like Sonic. I do have to agree with Stu that the writing in the teaser was pretty bad. Hopefully that's just because writing something like a teaser without it sounding corny and lame is pretty hard - but if it's any indication of the quality of the final script... well, it wouldn't hurt to get another editor to vet it, would it? Unlike Stu, though, I like White's Sonic and this works far better than it would have done without him. Can you imagine if it were just some pimply American teen trying to do this in their bedroom instead? Eugh. White's Sonic may not be my favourite (which is rather quickly becoming the new guy) but at the very least you've got a professionally employed voice actor and the original voice of the character in the West. That's definitely to be commended. |
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Post by madhair60 on Jan 23, 2011 20:20:25 GMT
I appreciate the amount and tone of the correspondence, SEGAmew. Please ignore me, I'm just a jaded old ex-Sonic fan whiling away my hours before the cancer starts.
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SEGAMew
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Post by SEGAMew on Jan 24, 2011 1:45:43 GMT
Super Saiyan 4 Goku: The reason why the HD trailer hasn't been uploaded before, and what it's preventing its uploading, is the fact that the trailer is a Work in Progress. It's not a complete teaser trailer and was originally put together to get the feedback of the MAGFest attendees. There is an unrendered scene if you seen the teaser up close. The purpose of going around showing leaked footage and photos is to generate some bit of feedback based on what you all saw. But anyway, the HD WIP trailer the MAGFest attendees is available for view on the official Sonic fanfilm site. Right now it's exclusive to donators, but will be made available to the public after 28 days. As for your suggestion on making Sonic LOOK like Sonic, well... Sonic looks very different across the many continuities based on him. One row of spines, three rows of spines, blue, light blue, dark blue, brown, brown eyes, black eyes, green eyes, short, tall, looks like plastic, looks less like plastic, buckle, no buckle. There is no real set look as to what defines Sonic. Saying to make movie Sonic look like Sonic is an almost rather vague statement nowadays =) It is understandable that not everyone's ideal Sonic can be rendered into a single Sonic model. Whether your idea of an ideal Sonic may not make it into the film, your opinions and values are just as important as anyone else's. Edit: Also before I forget again, the fully rendered nonWIP teaser will be made available to the public in a couple weeks time.
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Jan 24, 2011 21:31:05 GMT
I onestly don't know waht to think about all this. Onestly on my opinion a deeper blu on Sonic can work nice but only if the hole scene is dark in the style of Shadow the hedgehog or 2006 or something like that. But it has to be drammatic, but then again, a Sonic movie based on a dark effect with the voice of White....does it TRULY fit nice?  |
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legionfan44
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Post by legionfan44 on Feb 13, 2011 3:04:16 GMT
Ahh..if only we could get a real sonic film with Jallel as the voice of Sonic. But for now an awesome fan film will do just as well.
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Post by shodic on Feb 21, 2011 22:06:54 GMT
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Feb 21, 2011 22:17:29 GMT
Different fan film entirely.
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Post by madhair60 on Feb 22, 2011 9:47:33 GMT
oh god there's another one
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Feb 22, 2011 15:14:48 GMT
This one has that Sonmanic chap making it. AKA A Knothole Resident.
Apparently he paid $300 for that.
To be fair that is quite cheap. But it still looks and sounds bad
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Post by Retro on Feb 22, 2011 22:41:44 GMT
*Sprays tea*
$300 for that?
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Post by Mark on Feb 22, 2011 23:30:19 GMT
It is horribly [censored]. I'm not going to lie.
Retro (the sonic site, not retro retro) slated this, and I couldn't agree more based on the fact that he promised Don Bluth quality animation.
Also that he was expecting Don Bluth for pennies. That boy ain't right!
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Feb 23, 2011 0:45:13 GMT
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Post by Badly-Drawn Manchild on Feb 23, 2011 16:21:37 GMT
This one has that Sonmanic chap making it. AKA A Knothole Resident. Apparently he paid $300 for that. To be fair that is quite cheap. But it still looks and sounds bad You mean there are people out there who don't know what an absolute, mentally-unstable tit he is?! That animation's just laughable. It wouldn't be so bad if it was done by one person over a few months, but the fact that this is the result of an entire studio over the course of several years just blows my mind. That's to say nothing of the script and voice-acting, which are both horrendous. Needless to say it's the kind of quality I'd expect from that tossrag. You know what makes me really angry about this though? It's the fact that he's paying professionals to infringe on someone else's copyright, thus putting them in the firing line for Sega's lawyers. The man is essentially playing God with people's livelihoods. If you ask me, he can do die in a [censored]ing fire. |
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Mar 4, 2011 16:49:05 GMT
Oh, my! It sucks! The quality sucks in almost every part and........the classic Sonic games he sais, and he tosses in the FF of Archi!?!?! "and to mention Charles Darwin..." WTF!?!?!? O.o since when there are in Sonic's world such citations!??!?!?
.........the blue of Sonic was more gray like than blue......good greef!
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Mar 4, 2011 17:06:58 GMT
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Post by Nab on Mar 10, 2011 22:51:01 GMT
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Mar 11, 2011 12:34:23 GMT
Calm down everyone. He has called it quits again.
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