lordgazza
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Post by lordgazza on May 17, 2011 21:34:40 GMT
sonicfanfilm.com/blog/ There is photos of the new model for Sonic up and a podcast with details about the re-write that is currently happening.
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Post by Calisto on May 18, 2011 8:52:15 GMT
Hmmmm. That model still has parts I don't like, for instance, why is the tummy furry, but not the arms and muzzle? They appear to have made it a bit brighter at least, so I can finally see the spines. But it kinda seems like the muzzle and arms are too bright, in comparison to everything else.
Why have they gotten rid of the pupils on the badniks? I can kinda guess why they've done it, so that in animating, they don't have to animate all their eyes, but that's lazy. It's really not that hard to rig an eye.
Still feeling "eh" about the whole thing. Good on them for continuing going, and good luck to them, but eh.
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Post by lordgazza on May 18, 2011 22:29:10 GMT
Well the idea of the film is to use it as part of a pitch to Sega for a feature film. Understandable they can't get everything perfect on what is a low enough budget considering the vast majority of the funding comes from their own pockets. I think the professional approach being taking actually might lead to Mr.Lebron being successful in his pitch to Sega.
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Post by Alex on May 18, 2011 22:33:32 GMT
Budget has nothing to do with making dumb decisions in how to texture their Sonic model. It still just doesn't look good, and wouldn't the way they're doing it no matter how much money was thrown at it.
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Post by The Shad on May 18, 2011 22:36:53 GMT
Well the idea of the film is to use it as part of a pitch to Sega for a feature film...I think the professional approach being taking actually might lead to Mr.Lebron being successful in his pitch to Sega. Never gonna happen.
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Post by lordgazza on May 18, 2011 23:24:03 GMT
Well the idea of the film is to use it as part of a pitch to Sega for a feature film...I think the professional approach being taking actually might lead to Mr.Lebron being successful in his pitch to Sega. Never gonna happen. I wouldnt be so sure. People said getting Jaleel White would be impossible yet it happened. I think Sega recently has been making slot of moves to try an please the fan bad recently. If they see someone who is willing to but time, effort and money into a film and approach it with a level of professionalism I honestly think they will take him seriously and genuinely consider the potential that's there. Eddie has approached this the right way for a pitch. This is how Saw and evil dead were pitched. This isn't Richard Kuta we are talking about here. There is professionalism involved and Eddie LeBron has already begun to establish himself as a legitimate film-maker. Let's remember this is the company who approved house of the dead for Uwe Boll.
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Post by Retro on May 19, 2011 1:47:45 GMT
It's not going to happen. Legally, in America, it can't happen, these days. Once a film's plot is known and put out as a "fan film" it legally cannot be used (so far as I am aware) as a professional official output. It's pretty much the same thing thats stops writers (on record) looking at fanfics of their own creations.
Eddie may be a decent film maker, but he isn't of theatrical quality. (His Megaman film was dire) With no professional historical backing to his name, he isn't going to be signed over to direct a film based on one of the biggest cultural icons of gaming ever known. A film which would have millions of dollars from an investor sunk into it. No investor or company is going to risk that on an unproven film maker.
Getting Jaleel was no-where near "impossible." Voice actors really aren't that difficult to get provided you know a couple people or do a little research and just ask them. Especially for voice work, which can be done entirely remotly from anywhere in the work.
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Post by Raxadian on May 19, 2011 4:53:39 GMT
I gotta say it, Sonic just doesn't look good in 3D...
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Post by The Shad on May 19, 2011 9:07:59 GMT
I wouldnt be so sure. People said getting Jaleel White would be impossible yet it happened. Jaleel White is desperate for work of any kind. He'd probably do it for a sandwich and a place to sleep. Yes, as a pitch, not a fan film hoping to be legitimised. However, since he's going to publish it as a fan film, it ain't gonna work out. Saw had a budget of 1.2 million dollars. The Smallville Finale had roughly the same budget. It wasn't exactly going to break the bank, and it would have been easy to recoup any losses they would have made. Saw was safe. Evil Dead had a similarly tiny budget (about 375,000) and was a zombie movie in the eighties. It was, also, safe. Also, the initial movie (Within the woods) was originally a short movie expanded into a feature length, dreamed up entirely by Raimi. It did not use licensed characters. Don't remind me of that freak. Uwe Boll, for all his faults, is a professional movie maker, who gets his stuff done on time and in budget. This guy has a bunch of fan films (which I have not watched, so for all I know they're the Second Coming of Christ and I'm not saying a word against them), with zero experience of working with investors and producers, or of getting stuff done on time, to spec, within budget. He's an x-factor, and Sega have to play it safe with Sonic. Hell, EVERY company have to play it safe with their property.
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Post by lordgazza on May 19, 2011 22:22:29 GMT
Eddie Lebron is a legitimate film-maker. He doesn't just do fan films he has don't a variety of short films that have gained good reception had at various film festivals. He and his producer/art director have been working legitimately in the film industry for a few years now. The people on his team are already in the film industry to some extent. Remember the director of tron legacy had little to no film making experience when he pitched it. His background was on commercials but Disney gave him this iconic franchise. Mortal kombat legacy began as a fan film/ proof of concept video for a feature film pitch to warner brothers. It may not have been successful in getting a film made but they gave the go ahead for a pretty kick ass web series. Again this guy had little enough film experience his background was television and warner brothers took him seriously. I think think more will come of this short fan film. It's not like megaman. This is just a short film we the intend of it being used somewhere down the road as part of a pitch as a proof of concept. It's not a condensed version of a feature film it's a set up for a feature film or potential web series. I think Sega will take it seriously. Let's just see how it turns out.
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Post by Nab on May 20, 2011 18:18:22 GMT
I just don't like how Sonic looks. They really need to make more changes.
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Post by madhair60 on May 20, 2011 19:49:45 GMT
Tron Legacy was a piece of [censored] and anyone who likes it is a murderer.
And if you respond negatively, I'm calling the police.
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Post by Balls on May 20, 2011 21:06:51 GMT
Eddie Lebron is a legitimate film-maker. He doesn't just do fan films he has don't a variety of short films that have gained good reception had at various film festivals. He and his producer/art director have been working legitimately in the film industry for a few years now. The people on his team are already in the film industry to some extent. Remember the director of tron legacy had little to no film making experience when he pitched it. His background was on commercials but Disney gave him this iconic franchise. Mortal kombat legacy began as a fan film/ proof of concept video for a feature film pitch to warner brothers. It may not have been successful in getting a film made but they gave the go ahead for a pretty kick ass web series. Again this guy had little enough film experience his background was television and warner brothers took him seriously. I think think more will come of this short fan film. It's not like megaman. This is just a short film we the intend of it being used somewhere down the road as part of a pitch as a proof of concept. It's not a condensed version of a feature film it's a set up for a feature film or potential web series. I think Sega will take it seriously. Let's just see how it turns out. Sega will not take it seriously. Regardless of who this guy is, Sega won't just let other people [censored] around with their character.
Here is what will actually happen:
1. Film gets uploaded. 2. People hail it as good even though it will inevitably be crap. 3. It's popularity reaches Sega's ears and eyes. 4. Sega demand the film be taken down and file lawsuits.
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lordgazza
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Post by lordgazza on May 21, 2011 9:07:47 GMT
If you applied that logic to every popular sonic fan work we wouldn't be here on the stco forums talking about this. In fact stco probably wouldn't exist. Warner brothers took the director of mortal Kombat rebirth seriously. Disney took director of tron legacy seriously and alot if people liked those projects. Why would Sega be different? If Eddie approachs the pitching process in the right way I think he might get somewhere.
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Post by Balls on May 21, 2011 9:24:25 GMT
STCO isn't that popular, that's why.
Like I said before, Sega are not a film studio. The Mortal Kombat thing, as you say, was pitched to Warner Bros. Before them, the only person you have to convince is Ed Boon, which is, like, one [censored]ing guy.
Sonic is Sega's frickin' mascot and they're not gonna let just anybody touch it. Plus they always take down fanworks. Just ask Bombergames who can't host Streets of Rage Remake anymore.
And yes, Eddie Lebron is just anybody. His work is not of a particularly professional quality (certainly not even close to the Mortal Kombat pitch) and he is not experienced enough.
Yes, the other two cases you mentioned weren't particularly experienced, but they were more experienced and accomplished than Lebron. Working in commercials and television means a damn sight more than... well, not working in commercials and television.
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Post by Retro on May 21, 2011 11:43:05 GMT
Just to quickly chip in on the STCO bit there, Gazza. STCO is not licenced, approved or promoted by Sega as an official Sonic outlet. Yes, it's got a bit of "unofficially official" bantering about it, but thats entirely from one PR blog and the creators of the comic before. None of it's even comparable to gaining an official licence for a character.
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Post by Baron Canier on May 21, 2011 12:14:45 GMT
Remember the director of tron legacy had little to no film making experience when he pitched it. That explains a lot. Was the head writer a baboon?
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Post by lordgazza on May 21, 2011 18:02:59 GMT
Just to quickly chip in on the STCO bit there, Gazza. STCO is not licenced, approved or promoted by Sega as an official Sonic outlet. Yes, it's got a bit of "unofficially official" bantering about it, but thats entirely from one PR blog and the creators of the comic before. None of it's even comparable to gaining an official licence for a character. Retro, I wasnt comparing the film to STCO in terms of an attempt to making it official. What I was saying was in response to the boss' claim that Sega would merely take it down as they did and would other popular fan projects. I was saying that if that logic was applied to all semi-popular fan projects theb STCO wouldn't exist. I know that the STCO and the film are different. The film is a fan-film in the same way that mortal Kombat rebirth was. But its primary purpose is to serve as a proof of concept piece to demonstrate Lebron's ability to direct and his vision for Sonic. It's not a complete film if anything it's a prologue to what could be. Whether it succeeds or not will all depend on the final product. So let's wait and see how it goes? With regards to the removal of fan projects from what I've seen it's only fan games that have received the good ol "cease and desist" request. To be fair with Sega I understand their reasoning there. Sega is a game company of course it's going to want to stop fan games that could be used as alternatives to its official products. A fan game and fan film would be different in his regard. I mean even after all the stuff with (shudders) richard Kuta he was never asked to remove anything he had done or stop working on he project even after Sega shot him down.
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Post by MentalAnalysis on Jun 23, 2011 10:19:49 GMT
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Post by Beeth on Jun 23, 2011 10:40:57 GMT
Don't worry about it, it's nice to hear from you!
On a related note, this trailer doesn't really show me anything I'm not already aware of. At best I'm rather skeptical about this production. All blatant creative liberties notwithstanding, I'm wondering if Sega will pull another Streets Of Rage on this upon its release? Either way, I await it's pending release, and subsequent (most likely scathing) reviews with intrigue.
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Post by Charles on Jun 23, 2011 18:35:54 GMT
What's the plot of the film, anyway?
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Post by Calisto on Jun 24, 2011 16:35:56 GMT
This looks terrible. It honestly, truly does. People have thrown money at what, exactly? True, we haven't seen the 3d model interacting with real life footage yet, they might work at that, but the model is still bad to look at, he's still furry as hell, and...well, it feels like that maybe, just maybe, my opinion over this will be ignored once more. What happened to the person from a while back giving our critique to the guy? Obviously ignored my critiques.
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Post by rj on Jun 25, 2011 7:51:32 GMT
Tron Legacy was a piece of [censored] and anyone who likes it is a murderer. And if you respond negatively, I'm calling the police. the soundtrack was good
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jun 25, 2011 17:33:35 GMT
What's the plot of the film, anyway? Two people wake up inside a bathroom, chained to pipes, with a dead body in the middle of the room. They have until 6:00pm to try and kill each other. Turns out they are in Sandopolis Act 2 and if they waited a little while longer they would have been saved by Sonic.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jun 25, 2011 21:27:58 GMT
Why does Sonic look like a mohair jumper exploded on him? Not that I could do better, of course - but I wouldn't imagine Sonic being that fwuffy!
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