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Post by madhair60 on Nov 18, 2010 9:49:08 GMT
Actually I did. I just don't find Family Guy funny, sue me. You wouldn't even have seen Larry and Steve if you weren't sufficiently interested in Family Guy to do the research necessary to discover the short's existence! That sentence was clunky! I don't care if you don't find it funny, just don't lie and claim that something with the exact same style of humour and several of the same jokes is somehow superior, by virtue of it being old. Edit: NEW PAGE! New show tomorrow. |
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Post by Baron Canier on Nov 18, 2010 10:00:53 GMT
You're just trying to illustrate depth of knowledge by referencing a relatively obscure related short that only people who liked Family Guy enough to Wiki it have even heard of. I'd heard of Larry & Steve before Family Guy. I saw it when I was a kid on Cartoon Network's "What A Cartoon!" block (before they switched it "World Premiere Toons"...or was that the other way around?). It stood out from most of the other entries because parts of it really made me laugh. Wouldn't say Larry & Steve was better than Family Guy (L&S is one short, Family Guy has several seasons and thus far more oppurtunities to make me laugh and develop its humour. A decent comparison has long since left the building), but I would say the Larry & Steve's pacing is more like Family Guy's later episodes than its earlier ones. More manic. I'd also say that L&S is essentially a more streamlined version of Family Guy, since the cast is the bare essentials (Peter and Brian, basically), and so doesn't have other largely-useless family members gumming up the works. Obviously I didn't connect it to Family Guy until much later, when I saw Seth McFarlane's name on the credits. I went back to it and actually still enjoyed it. Showed it to a friend; first thing he said when Steve started talking was "Hello, Brian". |
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Post by Super Sonic on Nov 18, 2010 11:02:56 GMT
You wouldn't even have seen Larry and Steve if you weren't sufficiently interested in Family Guy to do the research necessary to discover the short's existence! Umm... remind me which came first? I don't care if you don't find it funny, just don't lie and claim that something with the exact same style of humour and several of the same jokes is somehow superior, by virtue of it being old. Wow, some pretty crude leaps of logic there. First, I'm not lying. Second, I don't find Larry & Steve and Family Guy to be particularly similar in style. Third, age has no bearing on it. |
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Post by madhair60 on Nov 18, 2010 16:43:49 GMT
I'm just going to re-type what you're saying in the voice of an idiot.
Dum piddy cood leep a logeh theh. Duhhhhhh.
Nah, this isn't an effective way of going about things, just makes me seem illiterate and bitter. *Reads thread title* Oh right.
You're still talking rubbish, but in my infinite altruism I'm happy to let it slide as long as you promise to live the remainder of your life with the sobering knowledge that I've got your number, sunshine.
*Points to both eyes with index and middle fingers, then points them at you*
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Post by Balls on Nov 19, 2010 9:17:26 GMT
I don't know who I hate more- FG's fans or it's haters. They're both basically the worst people in the world.
I like Family Guy but I don't love it. On the issue of character development and such, I wouldn't say it ruins the show but I'll say that sometimes the lack of care for the characters makes me feel a bit cold.
I know that realism is an absolutely ridiculous thing to even pass a thought about in a comedy cartoon, but it just seems too silly to me at times for me to care and thus can weaken the jokes that concern the central characters. You could never, realistically, see Lois stay with Peter, nor could you see Quagmire never raising anyone's eyebrows. Shouldn't be important but for some reason puts me off.
Also, it's so [censored]ing obnoxious at times it's unreal. Sometimes funny obnoxious (sometimes hilarious), but sometimes actually enraging me. In any other comedy show, if a joke isn't funny, it will induce apathy. With family guy, it actually gives me hatred.
One of these things are annoying characters. And I don't mean just annoying within the show's universe (like, say, Janice from Friends), but annoying to me, the viewer. I consider this one of the shows weakest points, as I find Peter to be one of these horrifically irritating characters to watch. Sometimes something concerning him would be [censored]ing hilarious, but whenever he misses one for me, I actually get annoyed.
All of the characters are really hit and miss because of the one dimensional thing. For example, Quagmire's antics are hilarious because I like jokes about perverts, Joe is funny because I enjoy jokes about rage. Herbert I find really unfunny and I don't know
why because I love paedophiles.
Cut-away format is sometimes really awesome and it's unpredictability adds to the pay off. The rest of the time, however, I feel the South Park episode was right on the money (though to a considerably smaller extent and far less frequently; they are funny more than half of the time).
Been trying to make this relevant to a point in this post, but can't so I'm inserting this comment randomly: I really liked that bit where Brian starts barking at a black guy because of old habits and having a racist owner, when Brian is usually stupidly liberal.
Which brings me to my second from last hate point for the show. Brian's ultra-liberal views, which are actually just McFarlane's views, are preached to an unbearable extent and it really bloody obnoxious.
Other than that, though, there's [censored]ing loads to laugh at in Family. The weather guy, the brain damaged horse, pretty much whenever Stewie is on screen, Lois' dad's [censored]ery to Peter, Cleveland's bath. I don't know why I named those specific examples over the millions of other funny moments, but there you go.
Basically, never listen to anyone's opinions on the show. Its fanbase are usually retards who laugh at the less funny bits while the much better jokes go over their heads and the haters watched an episode of South Park and said what they heard and claiming it as their own opinion. It is exactly what it sets out to be and that's what it should be judged by. A really funny show.
Now get on with the list you [censored]ing gaylord.
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Post by Super Sonic on Nov 19, 2010 9:19:24 GMT
I watched two episodes last night, they were quite good.
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Post by Ringo (2015 Edition) on Nov 19, 2010 10:06:00 GMT
I've never liked Family Guy either. It's just not the best cartoon as some people make it out to be.
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Post by ShayMay on Nov 19, 2010 10:48:30 GMT
I pretty much agree with Mitch's sentiments on Family Guy.
I can't deny I like it, and it makes me laugh a lot (my personal favourite moment being the bit in the movie where Peter buys a Roman Catapult - that [censored] had me crying), but when a joke falls flat, it doesn't just fall flat, it BOMBS.
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Post by madhair60 on Nov 19, 2010 20:05:15 GMT
No new entry today. Changed my mind, can't be bothered with it. Maybe Sunday, maybe never, whatever.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 20, 2010 12:17:03 GMT
Ahhh, go on then I will throw my two cents in as well. Some of Family Guy is utter genius and made me laugh my ass off. But some of it is also awful and makes me want to cry (see, it does make people cry Stu!!  ). Also, it has taken the piss of other cartoons. Remember this? |
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Nov 20, 2010 12:25:47 GMT
That isn't really taking the piss out of the Simpsons.
I mean when Peter appeared in the Treehouse of Horror when there were clones of Homer and they were getting less like the original. That's the Simpsons taking a shot at Family Guy in my mind.
Thats just Homer Simpson appearing and getting crushed by Stewie's bike during the Police Squad homage.
Incidently. Watch Robot Chicken.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 20, 2010 16:19:30 GMT
Yeah... and Peter doesn't know who he is!! Homer Simpson is so well known, that for someone not to know who he is is a bit of a dig, at least in my opinion. Also in my opinion, these little digs and references in cartoons to their rivals are always in jest anyway. Even the South Park episodes.
Also; I looooooove Robot Chicken!! It reminds me of Adam and Joe's toy scenes... but its better!
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Post by Alex on Nov 20, 2010 16:24:07 GMT
Matt and Trey love The Simpsons. I understand they quite enjoy Family Guy too (though the whole manatee thing seems far too spot on to be a lie purely for the sake of humour...). Cartoon Wars was like the ultimate self-fan-service for them.
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Nov 20, 2010 16:58:20 GMT
No, no, no, no, NO![/u] Family Guy can be one of the funniest things on television. It can also be one of the most pointless. Remember that episode where Peter became a pirate, and the episode title hinted at that, and the promotional material was Peter in pirate clothes? Dropped at the end of act one. They even basically said "It's okay, he'll go do something else". That's Family Guy at its absolute laziest, a shoehorning of an idea that was clearly unable to hold up as a full episode, jammed together with a B-story disguised as an A-story (Chris fancying some girl). There are plenty of the early episodes I can still remember whole sections of at great length, such is the impact it had on me. The post-resurrection series haven't had quite that impact, but there have been several times I've laughed explosively hard at it. Jason Voorhees' cameos as a polite, down-to-Earth store manager and wildlife/community enthusiast really made me laugh. I do prefer American Dad to Family Guy, as it happens, but I'm not sure why since many of the plots could easily be used on the opposite show. Perhaps it's the fact American Dad doesn't rely on cut-away gags as a crutch. While they're funny, many of them are included as padding and, not being American, a lot of them fall flat on me. As for Larry and Steve, I saw it as a kid and thought it was hilarious. I actually went dressed as Steve to one of our school's fancy dress days. No, I'm not joking. No, don't make furry jokes, it's not funny, I was a child. And as for South Park, as much as I do seriously love it, I didn't allow their episodes about Family Guy to influence me. Hell, it's right there in the script, one of the characters says that it may be joke after joke after joke but some people do find that funny. And let's not forget who Kyle is a mouthpiece for. |
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Post by madhair60 on Nov 21, 2010 19:57:15 GMT
Choice #2 - Jackass"Man fall down. Funny." ~ Homer Simpson  You're scoffing already. You might even be shaking your head. " Really?" you despair. "madhair60, Gentleman and Scholar, extolling the virtues of Jackass?" Yes indeed, Jackass is my second choice in my undeniably spot-on list of the greatest comedies of all time. For the unaware, it's the stunt and prank show that launched a thousand imitators and spin-offs, almost all of which were missing the one thing that makes Jackass so utterly watchable; a soul. The Jackass guys (Johnny Knoxville, Bam Margera, Steve-O, Ryan Dunn, Wee Man, Ehren McGehehey, Preston Lacy, Dave England, Chris Pontius et al) supply a camaraderie that is simply too infectious to disregard; DVD extras and insert footage in the show itself reveal that these guys really are good friends, and are always "on", even if the cameras aren't (or at least, aren't supposed to be); this is no contrivance for spectacle's sake. You really get the impression that even if there was no Jackass, the cast would still be doing this stuff. Jackass is sincere. What Dirty Sanchez and its like are lacking is the showmanship these people bring - these are entertainers, and they are here to be entertaining. Sure, there's the appeal of the wince factor, but it's not the pain itself that amuses, but the cast's reactions to said pain. For example, in an early episode, when Ryan Dunn attempts "land skiing" down a steep gravel road, he inevitably tumbles sideways into the undergrowth. "I landed in something haggard." Ryan deadpans. Bam Margera approaches to survey the situation. "Oh man, that's all poison ivy." he says. A pause, then Bam walks away, with a dismissive "I'm not helping him." Ryan lays there in silence. The timing is incredible, for "amateurs". But, that is inaccurate - Bam, Ryan, Brandon Dicamillo, Raab Himself and Rake Yohn - collectively the "CKY crew" - had been shooting these videos for years, since they were in middle school, for their own compilation tapes. It was through these that Bam and the gang joined with Johnny Knoxville and the rest of the Big Brother skate magazine team (who were themselves producing silly stunt videos to give away with their rag), to produce the first series of Jackass for MTV. Those first few episodes consisted of old Big Brother and CKY footage, along with newly-shot skits. It's admirable how committed these guys are, and you can't help but respect the way they fling themselves headlong into extremely dangerous situations, but for the sake of comedy. It's the way that the atmosphere rarely sours that makes the show so wonderful, its cast so damn likeable they make the Dirty Sanchez lads look like the unsavoury freakshow that they are. There's nothing funny about watching Dirty Sanchez's Poncho ram his forehead into a pile of upturned drawing pins. Tying Jackass's morbidly obese Preston to the "little person" Wee Man with a bungee cord, then pushing them off a bridge? That's funny. Indeed, Jackass only begins to falls flat when the focus shifts onto the gross-out, though even these segments tend to carry invention with them, such as the sequence in which Steve-O drinks a live goldfish, then attempts to regurgitate it. Disgusting, but oddly fascinating. Oh, and the truly revolting "Vomelette", which defies description. I can understand why people would dismiss those segments, and on my frequent rewatches I tend to speed for the "next scene" button upon their entrance. But if you're too uptight to enjoy funny people falling over in a myriad of different, creative ways, I feel a twinge of genuine sorrow for you. What a joyless life you must lead, if you cannot embrace the sheer gusto that oozes from every second of the show. There's so much more I could write about Jackass. So I will. As far as acquiring it, you could always just torrent it. But, if you want to give these people the money they so clearly deserve, I'd recommend the following. The "complete" Jackass boxset is not complete. It's presented as three volumes, each representing the best material from the three broadcast series of the show. Now, normally I would decry this sort of repackaging, but this really is the cream of the crop, with the slow or unengaging material having been excised. Each volume contains roughly a hundred skits/segments, about four-fifths of which are pure hilarity. Also, if you acquire the boxset, you get an awesome bonus disc, with the full 45 minute Gumball 3000 episode, which is the best of the series. Also included are the cast's "MTV Cribs" episodes, which sounds like torture until you realise that none of them have any financial sense whatsoever, which leads to insanity like Chris Pontius' "Cribs" in which he gives a guided tour of his then-home; his car. Great DVD extras are common with Jackass - the movies in particular offer incredible value for money, as not only do you get the films (which are utterly superb), but the added segments, deleted scenes and out-takes often exceed the film's running time, and a good 95% of it is equally as hilarious. Even the "making of" documentaries are essential viewing, so fulfilling is the company of Jackass. When I watched Jackass 3D last week, I was almost in tears by the end, an unexpectedly moving presentation of each cast member from the beginning to the present, the end, struck a chord with me, realising that this was most likely the end; that these people just can't do this sort of stuff anymore. There'll never be another show like Jackass. Well, there probably will, but it won't be anywhere near as perfect. You can't contrive the kind of chemistry that drives the show. It's like Top Gear; I know nothing about cars, but the interplay between the presenters makes it hugely enjoyable. It's worth me noting at this point that Jackass 3D was superb, the best use of 3D I've seen to date. It's shot with proper 3D cameras, the same as on Avatar, and a lot of use is made of some truly spectacular slow-motion. "The Rocky" is the hardest and longest I've ever laughed in the cinema. The 3D segments are rich, immersive and astonishingly impressive in their depth. The two "main" Jackass spin-offs, Viva La Bam and Wildboyz, deserve a bit of writing for each, since they're very much under-represented by the internet, almost always dismissed as inferior clones. In some ways, that's not untrue, but here's my perspective. Viva La Bam is a very watchable program. It stars the titular Bam Margera and his "crew" as they go about their lives in West Chester and piss people off, mostly Bam's long-suffering parents, the wonderful April and Phil. None of its individual episodes are particularly memorable, and it suffers from waaaaay too much post-production effects, and an obtrusive soundtrack - one suspects a little executive meddling. Also, the "plots", such as they are, seem extremely contrived - the show would have been superior as a disconnected series of skits like its predecessor. Trying to add a narrative to Jackass is ridiculous, and they shouldn't have done it. Stand-out episodes include the one where Johnny Knoxville turns up (which produced my favourite DVD extra of all time, the easter egg that shows Knoxville and Dunn planning how they can get back at Bam for a prank he's pulled on them - they have a long hand-written list of possible ideas, one of which is 'Rape him'. Dunn then explains to Knoxville - "That can take place anytime."), the two-parter where they all go to Mardi Gras with a bunch of pro skaters... and... I don't really remember any other episodes. It's that kind of show - like Scrubs, extremely enjoyable at the time, but barely memorable after the fact. Wildboyz, however, is Viva La Bam's superior in every possible way. It follows Jackass's Chris Pontius and Steve-O as they journey the planet in search of exotic wildlife that they can coax into biting/stinging them. It's exactly as inconsequential as it sounds, but it's a wonderful antidote to stuffy Attenborough-esque nature documentaries, as the boys (again bringing with them an almost - haha, "almost", who am I kidding? - homoerotic chemistry) get up close and personal with a parade of truly awesome creatures, from bears to fire ants, emus to elephants, and in one especially memorable instance, a pack of komodo dragons. They're accompanied by Manny Puig and David Weathers, both experts, to prevent them going too far - though they usually still do. Each episode takes them to a different country, where they experience bizarre tribal rituals through a refreshingly human lens, a non-judgmental perspective on these magnificently different people. It's more genuine than, say, "Planet Earth", with its sweeping orchestral arrangements and CGI assisted photography, bringing these beasts down to earth and letting us observe them in a true-to-life way; not through endless "prettiness" filters. Pontius and Steve-O behave like schoolboys - "I dare you to eat that", or "I dare you to let that sting you". The situations escalate convincingly, and unlike Bam's show, it never feels contrived. Jackass and its spin-offs are all about having fun, letting loose and being entertaining, damnit. It's puerile, but it isn't brainless. Get into it, like I did, and there's a compelling meta-narrative going on behind the scenes. Follow these people, who were never cut out to be stars, and watch them fall, and rise, then fall again. Into an inflatable paddling pool. Filled with elephant dung. Then watch them get up and chase the cameraman, trying to hug him. Jackass is brilliant. This turned out about a thousand words longer than I intended it to, but I love the show so, so much, and I just wanted to communicate it with the enthusiasm they present their material with. Please understand that if it was awful, I wouldn't be recommending it so heartily.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 21, 2010 20:09:30 GMT
" Really?" you despair. "madhair60, Gentleman and Scholar, extolling the virtues of Jackass?". I would entirely disagree with this ascertion; Jackass was boss!My favourite stunt would be their dressing up in fancy suits, doing up their hair and then riding office furniture down a halfpipe. Hil-AAAREEE-ous! Steve-O and Preston were probably my least favourite Jackasses, but even then their obvious gross-out humour was still funny. ;D |
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Nov 21, 2010 20:17:13 GMT
You are so very right on all of this.
I do love the segments when they are out in public. Seeing peoples reactions to them.
The very, very best is the "Porta-loo switcharoo."
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Post by Alex on Nov 21, 2010 22:40:02 GMT
I agree with you in every single respect, Stu. Jackass is consistently hilarious and always endearing - never off-puttingly revolting.
I really, really want to see Jackass 3D - but it might be tough to find the money for it. :/
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Post by Nam on Nov 22, 2010 13:31:58 GMT
While I'm not a fan of the gross out stuff (the drinking a gallon of milk comes to mind immediately), the actual stunts and pranks are awesome. You really can't help but laugh when you watch them prat around, and in part you do kind yourself thinking both "What the hell are they thinking," but yet also a bit jealous that you know you could never actually do something quite as daft as skiing down a mountain on a porta-potty, or even just walking into a store with a dildo down your trousers and trying to poke people with it, purely because you don't have the equipment and/or nerve to.
Though it really shouldn't have influenced Tony Hawk's UnderGround 2 as much as it did. Just didn't work as well in a game, because you knew none of it was real, and a lot of the humour in Jackass did come from how it was genuine. Real stunts and real injuries made it work. As much planning went into these things, a lot of it was recorded as is, and the humour came out of how it played out. The writers of THUG2 scripted the whole thing, and it just felt so very forced or it.
Otherwise I don't have a bad word against Jackass. Not a clever show, but it never tried to be, and it worked better than any of it's copycats for the very reasons Stu lined out.
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Post by madhair60 on Nov 22, 2010 13:36:45 GMT
The annoying thing about THUG 2 is just how much the extraneous faux-Jackass stuff strives to ruin what's really an excellent game, and one of the best Tony Hawk's. It's just buried under this insincere avalanche of fakery. I have to say though, I did enjoy skating around as Phil Margera.
Oh, almost forgot:
Bonus feature - Ten comedies that won't be appearing on this list
10) Arrested Development
It's funny, but sheesh, guys, you'd think it invented the handjob the way the internet carries on.
9) The Simpsons
There are now 22 or so years of The Simpsons, at least twelve of which are dreadful. The fact that there's now much more bad Simpsons than there is astonishing Simpsons means I have to cut it.
8) Futurama
As I explained before, Futurama has tainted itself in my mind, thanks to the internet insisting that the reason it's so good is because WAAAH A DOG DIES. Additionally, they brought it back and it was mediocre. Thus, another once-excellent series is ruined. Nice going, Groening/Cohen. Surely you've got enough money?
7) The Mighty Boosh
I don't actually have half as much of a problem with Boosh as I used to. Heck, I even enjoy it now. But that may be down to the fact that subsequent BBC3 "comedies" like Scallywagga, How Not to Live Your Life, The Wrong Door and Lee Nelson's Well Good Show have made what once seemed like tiresome "lol well random" rubbish look world-class.
6) Garth Marenghi's Darkplace
Tedious rubbish with a one-joke premise (HAHA THE SHOW IS BADLY MADE, BUT HE THINKS IT WAS GOOD) that's stretched out five episodes longer than it should have been. Also, features a performance by the spectacularly unfunny Richard Ayoade.
5) The IT Crowd
Middle-of-the-road sitcom, bizarrely hailed as amusing by people who presumably haven't seen any other comedy, ever. Also, features a performance by the spectacularly unfunny Richard Ayoade.
4) South Park
Another funny series disappears up its own hype. Entire episodes are frequently given away to one unfunny joke, morals are applied with the subtlety of Trey Parker screaming "EVERYONE IS STUPID" into your ear over and over again, the once-unique visual style has been homogenised into bland trash, every [censored]ing character sounds the [censored]ing same, the repeated message of "complaining about things makes you a whining douchebag" is reprehensible, and it repeatedly feeds people things they already believe and redresses them as revelatory. A show for idiots who like to be told they're clever. Every episode is made in less than a week, and it shows. Oh, and Matt and Trey are liars. So there's that.
3) Red Dwarf
The first series is a fitfully amusing sitcom. The second series is a less frequently amusing sitcom. The third series onward blur into one asinine mess of boring dross, pitifully attempting to foster itself a sense of worth by playing up the rudimentary sci-fi elements. It fails as comedy and it fails as sci-fi. It fails.
2) Black Adder
I just don't feel like writing about Black Adder.
1) Only Fools and Horses
Years and years and years and YEARS of peerlessly funny performances, incredible, layered writing, meaningful character development that doesn't compromise the funny, pathos that makes you weep, then in the next instant, within one perfectly-pitched line, leaves you helpless with laughter. In fact, perfectly-pitched is the best way to describe this show. It's perfect.
UNTIL THEY [censored]ED IT ALL UP BY MAKING THREE UNNECESSARY ADDITIONAL EPISODES THAT [censored] AWAY EVERYTHING THE CHARACTERS WORKED FOR, EVERYTHING THEY EARNED, DESTROYING THE AUDIENCE'S INVESTMENT IN THE SHOW, THE UNIVERSE, THE STORYLINE, AND THEIR OWN WILL TO LIVE.
[censored] the BBC for bringing this back and destroying a flawless run of blindingly brilliant comedy. The [censored]s.
Additional fun OFAH fact: It's one of the internet's favourite shows to dismiss for the sake of appearing "alternative". You'd have to be a complete idiot to claim not to see its obvious quality.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 22, 2010 14:01:10 GMT
I hear what you're saying about most of these (I cannot bring myself to watch OFAH (whoops, amusing typo!) anymore for the fact its been repeated so many times!) but I really do not understand the beef with Futurama. Its the same now as it always was: hit and miss.
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Post by Alex on Nov 22, 2010 14:02:34 GMT
From this list, I can only deduce that Friends is the next choice.
Though I would like to hear more about what you don't like about Richard Ayoade - 'cos, frankly, I completely disagree with both your comments on Darkplace and the IT Crowd and I find him quite funny in both. I also think that Darkplace lasted exactly as long as it should have done.
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Post by Nam on Nov 22, 2010 14:28:18 GMT
From this list, I can only deduce that Friends is the next choice. He said he'd do none of the live action stuff I did on my years-old thread. Hence Friends won't be appearing at all. |
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Post by ShayMay on Nov 22, 2010 14:36:07 GMT
Though I would like to hear more about what you don't like about Richard Ayoade - 'cos, frankly, I completely disagree with both your comments on Darkplace and the IT Crowd and I find him quite funny in both. I also think that Darkplace lasted exactly as long as it should have done. I agree with this. I also like the Boosh, although I can see exactly why people don't. |
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Post by Baron Canier on Nov 22, 2010 14:43:40 GMT
Boosh practically defines "Hit and miss"; some episodes are great, while others are really dire. Makes it difficult to judge the show as a whole.
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