STC-Archie the crossover we'll never see.

[Matt]

I'll star with this disclaimer: This thread is the reason I don't try to write for STC-O; the reason when I have an idea I contact someone who can write.

I was just re-reading Archie issue 134. The one's arche fans hate because it's a low point in the series where Sally slaps sonic, and the ones 'certain' STC fans hate because of 'those cameos'.

anyway I never noticed it before but in this scene

amy has something around he neck, and a divide down her top...

making her look more like final STC arc amy, now this is just the way Jon Gray drew her.
but made me think, with all that universe hoping Amy and Tekno get up to, maybe the ring of eternity did send them to archie's mobius (for some reason with ebony and pajama's in tow)

it's a terrible idea, It's never going to happen!

but better people then me have tried imaging stc archie crossovers
spydaman.deviantart.com/art/When-Continuities-Collide-6107297

so what are your crossover ideas?

(by the way I know we had this discussion only a year ago, but I just went through 9 pages of that topic and so little of it was about crossover idea, and most of it was about stc archie difference that I thought a new thread was warranted)

I'm just going to warn now this isn't a thread for archie bashing, and pointing out the two continuities don't work together we've been over that enough times in the past. This is a thread for stupid ideas flights of fancy, and debates oh who would win in a fight, Archies Bean or Simpson the Cat!

[Badly-Drawn Manchild]

I remember when we were discussing this very topic at Summer of Sonic. I remember saying that I don't think a "versus" crossover would ever work, unlike what artists seem to think. It'd be like with the Marvel/DC crossovers; you can't have either side win because that'd end up pissing off a lot of the fanbase, and a "tie" ending is just going to seem like a cop-out.

A co-operative venture, however, like that Turtles Forever crossover a couple of years back, would probably work better. The only ideas I can come up with though are basically making it a rip-off of the aforementioned TMNT crossover, where both groups have to team up to fight a mutual threat and stop the Multiverse from collapsing.

Of course we all know it's never going to happen, but it can be fun to speculate.

[ShayMay]

If there were a crossover, I would agree 100% with BDM - as much of a visual spectacle it would be, having the StC and StH cast fight would be a bad idea. The plot would make no sense (both having met parallel universe versions of themselves as it was), and it would come pretty close to those stupid arguments about "who'd win a fight - Goku or Superman?"

The writers would have to be pretty slick about how they handled the thing in general - there'd need to be nearly equal focus on the Archie cast and the StC cast in order to keep both sides happy. This would also mean making the catalyst for these events something equally contributed to by both sides, or something new altogether, (which would be a bit out of nowhere, imo).
Perhaps Dr. Eggman finds the Eternity Ring while it's out on one of its inter-dimensional strolls and uses it for his own nefarious purposes, or something?

I think it would be an excellent opportunity to give the fanboys from both sides of the pond a slap on the wrists - both comics have things to offer, etc.

I'd also like to see a scene where our Knuckles meets his people, albeit from an alternate dimension. I'd like to see his reaction, so long as he doesn't break down in tears or something.

...Actually, the more I think about it, the more fun an idea this seems. Who'd do the writing/art though? I think 2 writers should be tops, but I reckon a lot of the StC-O artists would want in on this.

[Tom]

It's a comic book crossover. They got to fight. (Got an idea of how to really make it work, too, but there's better things to do...)

[Eleonora B.M]

good point........even if they end up working togheter no one will be happy if you don't put it under a fighting game light first. However.........I was meaning to ask.......what was that cross-over Archie vs fleetway thing on the Summer of Sonic?!!?!

[ShayMay]

With a fanbase as volatile and prone to fanboyism as the Sonic one, an outright fight would just annoy more people than it pleased, in my mind. I'm not saying no conflict between the two, but more of a friendly rivalry would be the way I'd handle it, simply because I feel that their fighting would be more for fanservice reasons than for story reasons. There's nothing wrong with a little fanservice, but dedicating pages to it that don't really benefit the story otherwise doesn't sit right with me.

The Archie/StC thing was a collaborative picture drawn by Archie's Tracy Yardley! and StC's Nigel Dobbyn.

[Tom]

You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. If every writer concerned themselves with avoiding any scenario that might bother their audience you'd never read anything interesting at all. And usually it's the writers who seek to actively frustrate their readers that create the riveting, the enjoyable, the material most appreciated by its audience.

[ShayMay]

And under normal circumstances I'd agree with that.
But having engaged with the Sonic fanbase as a whole, I can guarantee that if any StC character got a hit in, there would be droves of Archie fanboys screaming about it for ages* - this isn't breaking eggs to make an omelette so much as melting cars to make a pogo stick.

As for the writers who actively seek to frustrate their audience, I'd agree with that too under normal circumstances. Those who challenge the expectations of their readers are those who invariably create the more interesting story (so long as it's handled well, natch') - Moffat's run on Doctor Who has constantly warped and wound the viewer, subverting their expectations at every turn, and it's the best television's been in years.
However, everyone would be expecting and anticipating a fight between the two groups. When it finally came around, the fanboys would get annoyed because their favourite character isn't kicking all the arse, the people who read it more subjectively probably wouldn't be interested enough to care about a fight between the two groups... I can see it looking very nice in the advertisements and build-up, but the pay-off being inevitably disappointing and appealing only to a very small niche.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

*_{There would probably be a few StC fanboys wailing if an Archie character got their hits in, too - I'm not a racialist - but the fact is that Archie has loads more fans and more of a presence than StC fans do.}

[Spydaman]

I would post my ideas, but I actually hope to draw them one day so I'll keep it to myself I actually had intended to draw a page and show it at Summer of Sonic to tease it but there just wasn't...enough...time (The perils of wedding planning)