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Post by Arch on May 31, 2013 14:29:20 GMT
It's a shame more people aren't commenting. I know there are more avenues these days, what with Facebook, Twitter, even the site itself, but this is a huge milestone and we're still on the first page of the thread.
It's just a bit depressing that the forum's slump in activity can't be turned around for one week/month to celebrate 20 years of STC.
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Post by Pinchetel on May 31, 2013 14:55:09 GMT
Well, you just moved it to the second page.
That said, the announcement of Lost World is likely taking the vast majority of the attention away from anything else Sonic-related.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on May 31, 2013 15:51:10 GMT
Yeah there is this, and there is the fact that the forum is a lot quieter than it was.. uh.. 10 years ago! We can't exactly force people to post! Or can we...? *sends Troopers round to every registered member's address*
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Post by Charles on May 31, 2013 16:39:28 GMT
We'll just have to keep gettin' the word out!
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Post by Nigel Kitching on May 31, 2013 18:18:25 GMT
Thanks for the kind comments. I'd planned to write a bit about my thoughts when I wrote this but I'm off on holiday tomorrow for a couple of weeks and that might be too big a gap.
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Post by Matt on May 31, 2013 21:33:36 GMT
Thanks for the kind comments. I'd planned to write a bit about my thoughts when I wrote this but I'm off on holiday tomorrow for a couple of weeks and that might be too big a gap. I'd love to hear your thought on the strip once you get back from holiday if your still willing Nigel it would be great to here some of the background behind this strip. and thanks again for taking the time to right it it was a brilliant Birthday present for the comic, and a great character moment for the dead rabbit. It's a shame more people aren't commenting. I know there are more avenues these days, what with Facebook, Twitter, even the site itself, but this is a huge milestone and we're still on the first page of the thread. It's just a bit depressing that the forum's slump in activity can't be turned around for one week/month to celebrate 20 years of STC. you know whats worse... there up to three pages of discussion about this issue of STC over on the Archie board, apparently thats were the birthday parties at but seriously despite the little less feedback on here, all the feedback we've been getting as been largely positive and thanks everyone, I'm really excited about the other stuff we still have coming this year for the birthday, mostly how awesome the summary comic is going to be. will post up my thoughts on bit I didn't do soon,
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Post by Charles on May 31, 2013 23:30:32 GMT
there up to three pages of discussion about this issue of STC over on the Archie board, apparently thats were the birthday parties at Though I did see one comment on there that the complete stories run recently are "filler". FILLER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!
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Post by Tom on Jun 1, 2013 3:49:16 GMT
Thanks for the kind comments. I'd planned to write a bit about my thoughts when I wrote this but I'm off on holiday tomorrow for a couple of weeks and that might be too big a gap. Shall try and remind you in a fortnight. I'm always interested in what you have to say. Enjoy your holiday!
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jun 1, 2013 14:29:49 GMT
there up to three pages of discussion about this issue of STC over on the Archie board, apparently thats were the birthday parties at Though I did see one comment on there that the complete stories run recently are "filler". FILLER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!WUT? How can someone call a special celebratory issue filler?! Also some of the stuff in this issue directly relates to the current story arc. *facepalm* Ah well.. I guess it is nice to know there's STC discussion going on elsewhere. I try to keep it up on SSMB, there was another member on there who was super enthusiastic about STC, but has since left...
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Post by TheMobian on Jun 1, 2013 17:18:05 GMT
Though I did see one comment on there that the complete stories run recently are "filler". FILLER DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!WUT? How can someone call a special celebratory issue filler?! Also some of the stuff in this issue directly relates to the current story arc. *facepalm* Ah well.. I guess it is nice to know there's STC discussion going on elsewhere. I try to keep it up on SSMB, there was another member on there who was super enthusiastic about STC, but has since left... Yeah, we actually like to talk about StCO a lot over on BKC forums, only it mostly takes place in the other threads, and their mostly just references or jokes XP As for the recent stories being filler, I think the Bumblekingers (AKA fans of Archie Sonic) are just so used to sonic having a set ongoing story that is continued in big ways each and every issue. StCO does things a little bit differently as it likes to take most of its stories at a much slower pace, especially since StCO has much less space to work with each issue in comparison to the Archie Sonic comics that come out each month.
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Post by Pinchetel on Jun 1, 2013 17:41:33 GMT
StCO is arguably much fuller in terms of giving characters that aren't Sonic time in the limelight as well.
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Post by TheMobian on Jun 1, 2013 21:14:31 GMT
StCO is arguably much fuller in terms of giving characters that aren't Sonic time in the limelight as well. When it comes to the main Archie Sonic comic, yes. Although it might be good to remember that Archie also releases a whole other monthly comic book (Sonic Universe) that specifically focuses on characters who aren't Sonic. So I think they cover that angle of Sonic pretty well already =P Perhaps not quite to the point of what StC would do back in the day (what with Fleetway always working outside the current day SEGA mandates as to what characters are allowed to do what), but they still do a good job of putting the spotlight on other characters every once in a while. aaaaaand now I'm off topic. Better move back towards the awesome celebration of 20 years of Sonic the Comic! =D *throws confetti*
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Post by Pinchetel on Jun 1, 2013 21:25:27 GMT
Even with Sonic Universe, it doesn't really cover the scope that StCO does, since it's restricted to a 4-part formula which often also accommodates more minor characters on the side.
Not to say that I don't understand why. Archie kind of have to give more overall time to Sonic since he's the central draw of the comic primarily, which is important when they have to sell the product.
That said, your assumption that I'm not aware of what Archie releases on the side is pretty faulty. At the very least, you can't fit bees into the accuracy of it.
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Post by TheMobian on Jun 1, 2013 23:32:56 GMT
Even with Sonic Universe, it doesn't really cover the scope that StCO does, since it's restricted to a 4-part formula which often also accommodates more minor characters on the side. Not to say that I don't understand why. Archie kind of have to give more overall time to Sonic since he's the central draw of the comic primarily, which is important when they have to sell the product. That said, your assumption that I'm not aware of what Archie releases on the side is pretty faulty. At the very least, you can't fit bees into the accuracy of it. I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know what Archie releases on the side, so sorry if it came out sounding that way. What I did mean to imply is that when all is said and done, Archie at least makes an effort to explore the other non-sonic characters in their comics. Are they limited by the 4 issue format in SU? Yes. Do they often need to draw more attention to the SEGA characters for the sake of selling more copies (and because SEGA demands it most of the time?)? Yes. But taking all these hindrances into consideration, they still do a heck of a job expanding on the non Sonic characters. Anyways, back on the topic of the latest issue of StCO, I was finally able to read through the whole thing, and I must say, I REALLY enjoyed it =D The first story was definitely a memorable one (sorry for the pun), and the fact that it was done by Nigel Kitching Michael Corker AND Nigel Dobbyn just made it infinitely more enjoyable =D The second story was a fun little tale (again with the puns), the art was great, and the joke enjoyable X) And as for the third story? It was awesome!!! A total Knockout! (somebody shoot me, I'm on a roll!) Knuckles' stories remain my favourites from StC, and this is a perfect example as to why Wonderful work ya'll!
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Post by Supermorff on Jun 2, 2013 7:23:06 GMT
So I read it initially without looking at the credits, and my first thought was "Wow, the colourist on this Sonic story is amazing. Hope he comes back again." And... yeah. I now feel fully justified in that opinion. It also works really well with the line-art. Very clean, good motion, and some of the best pictures of Johnny and Tails in any STC, even the print versions. Heck, even Sonic looks among his best. The story is nice too. Johnny shows he was always the bravest of the group, and Sonic's character development is explored well (even if it's mostly explored through punching). Sonic's World is chock full of cameos. But even the most obvious. I just read it through again, and Plasma and Mark and Sparks get mentioned in the same panel! As a love letter to STC's 20 year history, this does it well. Reasonable conclusion to the Knuckles story, with Knuckles having to bury himself. (And cameos from Pachacamac, Chaos, Sonic, Robotnik and Vichama to boot.) Clicking on the last page of the story sends to a broken link, though, so someone should fix it. Jon Haward's Shinobi/Eternal Champions wallpaper. WHAT? Must check! Awesome!
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Post by The KKM on Jun 2, 2013 13:17:24 GMT
Thanks for the kind comments. I'd planned to write a bit about my thoughts when I wrote this but I'm off on holiday tomorrow for a couple of weeks and that might be too big a gap. At the speed these things go? You're in the clear for something like 2 months, so enjoy
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Post by cellsai on Jun 3, 2013 0:52:28 GMT
Just finished the latest issue there. Great work all round guys, these last few issues have been really fantastic - definitely some of the best outings from StC-O I've read. There was actually couple of moments where I burst out laughing, which is pretty damn unusual for a comic. Here's to another ten years of this quality! Also, bonus points for the podcast with everyone reminiscing over the comic. Answering the questions to myself really reminded me how many awesome villains StC has had over the years. This also puts a grimmer spin on why he's saying "oh no" before Chaos thumps him. Why would you say that?!
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Post by neoamon on Jun 5, 2013 15:23:19 GMT
This also puts a grimmer spin on why he's saying "oh no" before Chaos thumps him. Why would you say that?! Happy 20th Anniversary STC. Speaking of Grimer what happen to him?
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Post by Charles on Jun 5, 2013 18:01:05 GMT
The Anniversary Zone got an update today!
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Post by peannlui on Jun 5, 2013 18:14:48 GMT
Excellent work guys. c: I finally caught up with the new issue as I was at 2D Festival in Derry over the weekend, trying to sell my own graphic novel and shizz. Mick McMahon was supposed to be a guest but he called in sick at the last minute. :c (yes I even took issues of StC for him to sign)
I can't wait to see more! I'm inundated with other projects and more convention appearances but I'll drop in every now and again.
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Post by Chigs! on Jun 5, 2013 22:16:46 GMT
Wooo! I know i've seen half this stuff before, but loving seeing the behind the scenes archive artwork all collected together - some real museum pieces in there!
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Post by TheMobian on Jun 5, 2013 23:02:48 GMT
Wooo! I know i've seen half this stuff before, but loving seeing the behind the scenes archive artwork all collected together - some real museum pieces in there! And I haven't seen ANY of the art in there before ;D So its even more fun for me to surf through those galleries! There are some wonderful gems all throughout there!
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Post by The KKM on Jun 6, 2013 10:30:06 GMT
Shay's studies of Emerl (at least I'm assuming Shay did them) are quite lovely indeed.
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Jun 13, 2013 18:11:52 GMT
just read the issue. Can't believe I've been away for so long! And it's incredable how everything's so shiny and new. Love the new outlook. I liked Tails' story. Sweet, feeling a bit unsure about the main strip though. I don't know, it's a sweet concept. But I get the feeling it breaks some time-space "continuum" rule O.o Anyway like the "My Sonic is a little bit older and wiser" thing. Nice to know even jerky STC Sonic can grow up a bit. XD
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Jun 13, 2013 18:13:33 GMT
Okay, I said I’d write a bit about the story I came up with for the anniversary issue.
Arch described it as “a time travel jolly involving little more than a fight between two Sonics”. Which surprised me a little as that was pretty much the opposite to what I had in mind when I wrote it. Always gives you a bit of a start when you read something like that – makes you really question your competence. But anyway Rich Elson told me he liked it and said it was ‘touching’ which actually was what I had I mind.
I can’t quite remember how the elements of the plot came together but I do remember that having Johnny realise that he was going to die (probably) was quite a late idea. Originally I was going to have it turn out different but it’s now hard to see how the thing would have actually worked without Johnny’s realisation.
I actually think this might have affected Johnny and his designs on Amy. Maybe he never made his move because he didn’t want Amy to be more upset than necessary when he kicked the bucket. Actually I would have been pleased if I could have found a way for the reader to be uncertain whether Johnny had realised his fate or not but I couldn’t figure a way of writing that.
Also there was one criticism that I was expecting to pick up along the lines of “how come present-day Sonic doesn’t remember this all happening?” Well I think he did remember but it was just some insignificant few minutes of his life that he kind of gave no importance to – like an embarrassing night out at the pub where you’ve had a little too much to drink. Not a memory you choose to revisit – something you simply put out of your mind.
And of course I had the ticklish problem of fitting this into the current continuity. As much fun as this wasn’t I really wanted this story to be canon. So this kind of meant all I could do was time travel really, I wanted this story to be significant so I figured I could tie it to a piece of my own continuity. That was an early idea for the story. I then needed somewhere that I could pluck only Johnny and Sonic out of a story and it took me ages to find where I could do this efficiently.
The other thing I really wanted to address was the idea that Sonic has changed – he’s a little older and wiser and has been really marked by the death of Johnny. I also wanted to kind of say that Sonic isn’t the arse he was in the old days. He really is a better person now. Of course the chance to have fun with this was very appealing and I knew at some point Sonic would (without any irony) say to his old self just what some people always thought about him at the time.
Then there is the question of Sonic being able to forgive himself for Johnny’s death. And who better to give him permission to do this than Johnny himself?
Then we have the bit of drama regarding whether or not Tails and Sonic will be able to prevent Johnny reading the plaque on the statue.
“a time travel jolly involving little more than a fight between two Sonics”
Oh yes, then we have the two Sonic’s getting into a fight. But now Sonic shows signs of self-doubt – something he would not have been likely to do in the past.
So I think this holds up pretty well compared to my self-contained stories from the past – I always found them tough to write and even tougher if I was trying to ‘say’ something. And wasn’t the art by Michael great? Thanks Mike, I love what you did with my script. Of course Nigel Dobbyn did his usual spectacular job (and, I’m sure, spent far too long on this job when he could have been making money doing something else).
Of course I don’t really know if what I hoped worked actually does. But I can say that this was the story I wanted to write and dealt with issues that interested me. For a while I’ve been thinking about how I used to write Sonic and how I made him hard to like. I’m quite please I did that at the time but I always had in mind that the death of Johnny would be the thing that made Sonic grow up. Of course as things turned out I never got the chance to explore that – until now that is.
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