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Post by darkmerle on Jun 21, 2004 19:55:51 GMT
i was reading the knuckles history thing and it says that the drakon created the chaos Emeralds.
i thought kintobor created them. when sonic first met him?
does it have something to do with the fact that when knuckles was first introduced there were 12 Emeralds, which became 6?
anyone know why? can anyone tell me where I can find a BRIEF overview of the story of the Emeralds?
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Post by Tom on Jun 21, 2004 20:52:05 GMT
In #181, Pachacamac revealed that the Drakon Empire created the Chaos Emeralds using the chaos energy they had created, and the sacred emeralds they had stolen from the echidnas to contain it in.
Eight thousand years later, Sonic is introduced to six emeralds by Kintobor, who is using them to power one of his insane experiments. (Just because he was nice back then doesn't mean he wasn't mad, y'know.) The emeralds are a lot smaller in size at this point. When his machine blows up, the emeralds transport themselves to the Special Zone. Sonic retrieves them and is irradiated by the emeralds (which unleashes the Super Sonic demon within him) as they mobilise themselves to the Special Zone again. When he retrieves them the second time, he keeps them in a cool box to prevent them from disappearing again.
Bit later Sonic arrives on the Floating Island. Knuckles reveals he has his own set of Chaos Emeralds, including a seventh, grey emerald, which holds control over all the others. Robotnik does not know about the grey emerald; he has stolen Sonic's emeralds and uses a device of his own making to merge the twelve emeralds into six again, before absorbing all the power into himself. Knuckles reveals the seventh emerald to all, using it to remove Robotnik's power and send him back to Mobius.
Bit later Sonic returns to the Floating Island and Knuckles shows him that the emeralds have grown over time, especially the green emerald which is now known as the Master Emerald. This is stolen by Metallix to power the Death Egg, etc. Later on the Master Emerald is destroyed by Doctor Zachary, who absorbs its energy into a Guardian robot. Knuckles decapitates the robot and uses its head to power the island for a while as he enters the sacred emerald mines to find a new emerald he can transfer the energy back into - which he does.
How Knuckles knows so much about his island is a mystery to me. I suppose that deep in the back of his mind he knows the echidna language, and uses that to read the artifacts remaining on the island.
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Post by Chosenoneknuckles on Jun 21, 2004 22:42:11 GMT
Knuckles lived on the island all his life plenty of time to learn about the island and its secrets, remember that chest of documents he got and scrolls in the Hidden Palace? He learnt from those.
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Post by Tom on Jun 21, 2004 23:02:32 GMT
Yeah, I'm just curious as to what Knuckles' earliest memories must be. Kitching has always been very conservative with his exposition, only telling us what needs to be known in order to sensibly advance the story. It's a sensible approach that has the extra advantage of giving himself more room to manuever in future stories. It sometimes creates a minor mystery for the reader... something to think about, but not something that interferes with the plot at all.
For example, what does A.H.A.B. stand for? We don't know. It obviously means something to him, though. It is his way of differentiating himself from Captain Cornelius and Katalun. Does it matter what A.H.A.B. stands for? Not really. Does it matter that if he has a reason to kill you, then he will? Of course.
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Post by Hades on Jun 22, 2004 11:06:46 GMT
and in a short answer to the question. No kintobor didnt create the emeralds. was just using their power to try and remove all evil from the world.
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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Jun 22, 2004 14:35:41 GMT
What these guys said is right. The Drakon created the Chaos Emeralds themselves, and the Echidna stole them form the Drakon to ensure that they couldn't use them to apparently 'take-over-the-world!' Here is a link to a story I wrote which chronicles the whole Chaos Emeralds creation: ;D www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=429765Though I wrote it, its based on all the facts that I could get, and I also decided to try and connect the Chaos from the games to the random destructive Chaos from STC. Read it. Its called 'Tales of the Echidna' I can guarantee that you'll enjoy it.
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2004 0:06:34 GMT
Yeah, but it incorporates your own ideas, so it isn't exactly "fact" (in so far as fiction can be referred to as fact).
Not that there's anything wrong with that - just doesn't answer the question properly.
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Post by Ben2k9 on Jun 23, 2004 13:48:42 GMT
yeah pretty much what everyone said here is right, and Hades especially, Kintobor didnt create the emeralds.
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Post by Purpleweasel on Jun 23, 2004 16:37:47 GMT
Drakons fill emeralds with "chaos" energy. Echidnas nick emeralds. Later... Kintobor has some emeralds. Knuckles has the others. Kintobor turned into Robotnik. Sonic retrieves emeralds. Robotnik steals emeralds. Robotnik combines those with Knuckles' emeralds.
I apologise but that was only from memory.
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Post by Yunni on Jun 23, 2004 16:43:40 GMT
For example, what does A.H.A.B. stand for? We don't know. It obviously means something to him, though. It is his way of differentiating himself from Captain Cornelius and Katalun. Does it matter what A.H.A.B. stands for? Not really. Does it matter that if he has a reason to kill you, then he will? Of course. i always thought AHAB was a spin off spoof of the book 'Moby D!ck' since AHAB in the comic strip is also obsessed with killing the giant wale-like creature.
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2004 20:11:17 GMT
It's an original story "inspired" by Moby Dick.
(Even though the writer of the series has never actually read Moby Dick...)
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Post by Balls on Jun 24, 2004 19:20:37 GMT
So how many chaos emeralds are there now, not including the master emerald?
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Post by Samface on Jun 25, 2004 14:15:54 GMT
NOT including the Master - six. But I guess more could potentially be made. Why anyone'd want to do that, though...
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Post by Hades on Jun 25, 2004 14:22:06 GMT
I'm thinking a) for more wacky experiments or b) to help take over the world.
Those seem to be the most typical reasons for wanting chaos emeralds. oh and if your rouge theres the posible c option
c) to make pretty jewly with
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Post by Sin on Jun 25, 2004 14:38:23 GMT
One thing that still confuses me, the Drakon have the ability to make Chaos Emeralds by combining the chaos energy they create with the sacred emeralds. Why don't they just steal a new bunch of sacred emeralds and transfer the energy into them. The two possible answers are that they can't make anymore chaos energy or that they no longer have access to the sacred emeralds, possibly something to do with the existing Chaos Emeralds or Knuckles. Is this ever explained in the comic?
Also what happened to the Grey Emerald? Did it get absorbed into the Master Emerald, or did it just lose most of its power due to the fact that all the emeralds were together again? Or is it still out there somewhere....
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Post by Admin Droid on Jun 25, 2004 15:47:14 GMT
One thing that still confuses me, the Drakon have the ability to make Chaos Emeralds by combining the chaos energy they create with the sacred emeralds. Why don't they just steal a new bunch of sacred emeralds and transfer the energy into them. The two possible answers are that they can't make anymore chaos energy or that they no longer have access to the sacred emeralds, possibly something to do with the existing Chaos Emeralds or Knuckles. Is this ever explained in the comic? Check out #181. Pochacamac says that the Drakons did try and steal emeralds from the mine to make the original Chaos Emeralds. The battle is now to stop the Drakons getting their hands on any more Sacred Emeralds, since otherwise they could make thousands and rule the galaxy. It's still the Control Emerald (see #130). I get the impression that the Master Emerald is individually more powerful (it holds up the Floating Island), but the Grey Emerald is still the one that grants control.
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Post by Tom on Jun 25, 2004 19:30:38 GMT
One thing that still confuses me, the Drakon have the ability to make Chaos Emeralds by combining the chaos energy they create with the sacred emeralds. Why don't they just steal a new bunch of sacred emeralds and transfer the energy into them. The two possible answers are that they can't make anymore chaos energy or that they no longer have access to the sacred emeralds, possibly something to do with the existing Chaos Emeralds or Knuckles. Is this ever explained in the comic?
Why do you think they raised the island into the sky? To make those sacred emeralds easier to find? As to what happened to the remaining chaos energy, which the Drakon Empire did have severe difficulty storing... good question, to which there is a pseudo-scientific answer of my own devising. My proudest contribution to the comic, in fact, although I very much doubt it'll ever be used - simply because I can't imagine any way of implementing it. Let's see what Ed has to say about it.
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Post by Admin Droid on Jun 25, 2004 20:18:48 GMT
As to what happened to the remaining chaos energy, which the Drakon Empire did have severe difficulty storing... good question, to which there is a pseudo-scientific answer of my own devising. My proudest contribution to the comic, in fact, although I very much doubt it'll ever be used - simply because I can't imagine any way of implementing it. Let's see what Ed has to say about it. A more pressing reason for it not to be used is that I can't remember it. Or possibly you pitched it so long ago that I've started to believe it was one of my ideas. But in the early days I spent a lot of time on this pseudo-scientific stuff when I should have been focusing on telling stories. (The first three-parter is particularly symptomatic of this where I was trying to get in a lot of my ideas about Chaos energy which, let's be honest, nobody really cared about). Now, unless it's going to directly affect the immediate story, I'm not going to get too concerned. Let's just see what pans out.
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Post by Chosenoneknuckles on Jul 1, 2004 1:45:05 GMT
Im curious as to how ur goin to explain chaos energy, its origins etc. This is off topic but I was wonderin, what is Sky Sancuary? Was it a part broken off from the main island and somehow still suspended itself in the air before its destruction or was it something else? If u dont know then fine but its something ive always wondered cos Sandopolis has a history as does every other zone on the island except that one.
*Stops rant*
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Post by mobiusman on Jul 1, 2004 17:09:47 GMT
Im curious as to how ur goin to explain chaos energy, its origins etc. This is off topic but I was wonderin, what is Sky Sancuary? Was it a part broken off from the main island and somehow still suspended itself in the air before its destruction or was it something else? If u dont know then fine but its something ive always wondered cos Sandopolis has a history as does every other zone on the island except that one. *Stops rant* Chaos energy was developed by the drakons, who realised that the echidna's sacred emeralds could contain it, stole the emeralds, and siphoned the energy into them. As for sky sanctuary, I haven't a clue. It seems like a disjoined zone of the floating island. *stops explanatory mini-rant*
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Post by Tom on Jul 1, 2004 19:00:15 GMT
Seems to me like it was a sanctuary in the sky, but it obviously wasn't built to last. Considering there was a direct link from the Hidden Palace, I suppose it was an emergency escape route for the emeralds, if necessary? I dunno. Can't see them doing much with it in the comic, it's already been destroyed.
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Post by Admin Droid on Jul 1, 2004 19:02:50 GMT
I must admit, I'd forgotten all about it. Maybe if we go back in time we'll use it again.
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Post by Tom on Jul 1, 2004 19:06:13 GMT
You tend to remember the Super Sonic Vs Metallix fight, and Sonic and Knuckles fighting Eggrobos in mid-air. The collapse of the Sky Sanctuary falls out of your subconscience between it.
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Post by Admin Droid on Jul 1, 2004 19:09:23 GMT
Actually, that arc is all a bit of a blur to me anyway. Since it was quite close to the game, it all seemed a bit predictable and dull.
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Post by mobiusman on Jul 2, 2004 16:54:46 GMT
Na, I really liked "Disaster!". Well, I thought the metallix(V2?) RULED, but that's about it to be honest.
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