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Post by RetroMartin on Oct 2, 2005 21:44:14 GMT
Its actually an opposum correctly, I met one (lol what a weird thing to say) in America when I went on holiday (far to damn hot) it was actually quite a cute white little...thing XD. Apparently it bites though.
But..think... of the stunticombinaconaformabot(tm) XD - that made me wee myself so much when I read that in MLF.
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Post by ozzyoscy on Feb 26, 2011 19:47:54 GMT
If any stories meet the following conditions, I consider them poor:
- Earth. I was fine with Earth being involved once, but then they decided to make it regular.
- Shanazar. Again I was fine with it at first, but it was so lengthy that any kids picking up the comic would be wondering what the **** is going on with this Arabic desert nonsense and complete lack of badniks. And not buy it again.
- Mick McMahon. I'm only judging on his Sonic art, but it did not suit at all. It was dim and at times unclear, something which does not suit the material considering its bright colour and atmosphere.
Plus, I really don't see how his lighting effect works, where he drew inside the edges of characters like light was reflecting off them. Just made it look blurry, like I should be wearing glasses or moving the aerial, and they were never just on one side.
- Stories, ESPECIALLY multi-part stories, where the action takes up two panes of the final part. As a kid it was just disappointing but accepted, as an adult it was odd. First thing that immediately comes to mind: The Sonic CD story. Be ashamed!
- Tails is a wuss who finishes the story with a pun, a smile and a thumbs up. Really?
- Johnny Lightfoot. Because there's nothing more likeable than a lanky guy who seems to be a fan of Gladiators and fancies the chick who's only interested in the cool hero.
- No logic. Even as a kid, I never understood why Sonic let that good roller badnik go. There's an animal inprisoned inside of it as a battery!!!
- Separate and Friendly Super Sonic. As a kid I dealt with it, and as a psycho that was cool too. But to have him be nice and have buckteeth? I hope I'm not going to read a story where Super Sonic finally beats the bullies at his university by getting a PhD in mathematics, and helping out at his local charity.
These failings could only be reversed if the story in question involved Knuckles ploughing the floating Island into the villain's face, or Mr Fry. There never was enough Mr Fry. He was like Groundskeeper Willy in that hallowe'en Simpsons special where he kept getting killed as soon as he appeared.
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Post by ShayMay on Feb 26, 2011 19:56:37 GMT
...Wow. You've resurrected a thread from 2005 for that post? Next time, make a new thread, please.  Going by that, did you actually enjoy STC at all?  |
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Feb 26, 2011 20:18:53 GMT
Well, as long as it's bumped...
Sonic the Human is bad. It may be my least favourite from STC's early days. The art is especially rancid. A lot of the art is crap in the early days, actually, with a frightening amount of tracing from source material. This isn't helped by Millar's terrible scripts, though even Nigel's stories weren't exactly helped by poo art.
The Frozen Zone is very "crap Golden Age issue". Also, who's this random human?!
I seem to remember Odour Zone being quite bad.
Ecco was pretty boring both times around.
To be totally honest, a lot of the "bad" stories can be forgiven as it's a children's comic. Anyone expecting a literary masterwork is insane. Would the comic have been better if it had all been as good as the Robotnik Reigns Supreme storyline? Maybe. But was it perfectly serviceable and downright excellent as it was? Yup.
And The Trickster is nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe (though it is still pretty bad. It's just not STC's worst).
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Post by RS on Feb 26, 2011 20:57:37 GMT
The Ecco stories were brilliant, God damn it. Anything that involves the fairly-cutesy hero having to have his brain reprogrammed and basic information forced out in order to save the day is ace in my book. Next time, make a new thread, please. Why? This has all the perks of a new thread with the added bonuses of being able to read the older stuff and not clogging the forums with duplicate threads. |
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Post by ShayMay on Feb 26, 2011 21:25:09 GMT
It's a thread that's fallen into disuse due to a lack of interest. Bumping an old topic implies you have nothing to add to current conversations, so you're resurrecting a dead one.
Creating a new topic's a cleaner way of doing it, that all current members can get involved in. I, for one, don't want to have to trudge through 7 pages of what people from 5 years ago have been saying to get the gist of this thread.
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Post by Beeth on Feb 26, 2011 21:28:56 GMT
Actually, I second Rob's emotion on this. It's a lot cleaner doing it this way than making duplicates of already existing threads. When I come up with an idea for a new topic that I want to start, I often look to see if the topic already exists first. If it does, I'll post in that. If not, then I start a new one, acknowledging the bump of course. Often, folk are fine with that method. Bumping an old topic implies you have nothing to add to current conversations So does starting a new topic. |
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Post by ShayMay on Feb 26, 2011 21:37:32 GMT
Yes, and that's why the New Topic button exists.  I'm not saying "don't ever bump threads", but this is 5 years old. The conversation has long since died, and I think it's better to start the same conversation afresh if you can't find it in the first few pages, rather than have a conversation cluttered with five-year-old posts from members who aren't even here anymore. |
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Post by ozzyoscy on Feb 26, 2011 22:55:18 GMT
...Wow. You've resurrected a thread from 2005 for that post? Next time, make a new thread, please. Going by that, did you actually enjoy STC at all? I did as a kid, but I stopped reading during the Shanazar story. I don't know why, I assume it was just a case of me never asking my mum to buy it after putting up with a few issues of it. As an adult, the nostalgia and seeing what happened was cool, but I guess generally I wouldn't do it all again. It was a great kids' comic, but the quality took a sharp dip. I assume the writers ran out of material and stuck with one new story each issue, which itself was outside of the Sonic environment. At times I wondered if it would make a difference if Sonic was changed with another character. Plus, his create-a-tornado shtick became way over-used. I looked up this old thread for the sole purpose of avoiding creating a new thread on the same subject. While all forums are different, seeing as this one does not have an auto-lock or has been deleted or moved to archives, suggests it's all well and good to post. You're welcome.  Yes, and that's why the New Topic button exists. I'm not saying "don't ever bump threads", but this is 5 years old. The conversation has long since died, and I think it's better to start the same conversation afresh if you can't find it in the first few pages, rather than have a conversation cluttered with five-year-old posts from members who aren't even here anymore. Did this kill anybody? It appears you are in the minority anyway. Psst...by the way, the new topic button exists to create a topic, of the NEW variety. ;D |
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Post by Calisto on Feb 26, 2011 23:00:25 GMT
He's also a mod, and I agree with him. I, also being a mod. It's handy to look up who the staff are. =P
Seeing as other people got involved too, fair enough. I'm only really, really against those who post a useless sentence in a thread from years ago which adds nothing to the discussion whatsoever.
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Post by ShayMay on Feb 26, 2011 23:08:33 GMT
First off, I didn't mean to call you out or anything on the whole new thread thing. I'd appreciate it if you made a new thread if the one you're looking for isn't relatively recent, but now that this one's back, no harm done. It's people arguing with me I take umbrage with. Don't they know I am the law I am the supreme power I can ban them I wish I were a woman I am a mod, and thus my opinions and points are more valid?
Yes, I am joking.Anyway, on-topic: I kinda see where you're coming from, especially with Shanazar and stuff, but there are a few things I'd disagree with. Johnny didn't automatically make a story bad, IMO - yeah, he was quite bland, but he wasn't story-ruining. I also liked the big fight scenes, and Tails' more cocky nature as time went on. ...Except when he was with Sonic - he goes back to being a wuss whenever Sonic was around. |
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Post by ozzyoscy on Feb 26, 2011 23:16:10 GMT
He's also a mod, and I agree with him. I, also being a mod. It's handy to look up who the staff are. =P Seeing as other people got involved too, fair enough. I'm only really, really against those who post a useless sentence in a thread from years ago which adds nothing to the discussion whatsoever. Hopefully we can end this digression after this post, but there are two very important points first: 1) I didn't write a sentence, let alone a useless one, so you shouldn't have a problem with it. 2) What is it with people getting a massive ego because someone gave them extra privileges on some internet forum so they think they're powerful? It's nuts. your opinion is just as valid as anyone else on this forum. If I was lonely enough to be an admin, I'd take your 'powers' away just for that attitude. >_> Besides, I saw and see no indication that you are a mod, not that it matters at all. |
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Post by Calisto on Feb 26, 2011 23:24:31 GMT
I didn't say your post was useless. I said one sentence posts annoyed me. Yours clearly isn't one sentence.
I wasn't saying a mods opinion is worth more than anyone else's, far from it. I don't know how you managed to read into that, I was just pointing out that if a mod was saying bumping threads was bad, I'd listen. (The coloured stars and titles indicate who is a mod.)
No ego here, far from it in fact. Keep on topic though, if you want to discuss this more, feel free to PM me.
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Post by Spudiator on Feb 26, 2011 23:28:30 GMT
Wow, I'd forgot all about this thread! I also agree with Rob, it's nice to look back at long forgotten threads like this and reminisce. Also, I can look at this discussion from a different perspective now, having read much more of the STC stories than I had when I first started this thread, even though my overall feelings haven't particularly changed.
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Post by Nam on Feb 26, 2011 23:32:45 GMT
- Mick McMahon. I'm only judging on his Sonic art, but it did not suit at all. It was dim and at times unclear, something which does not suit the material considering its bright colour and atmosphere. Plus, I really don't see how his lighting effect works, where he drew inside the edges of characters like light was reflecting off them. Just made it look blurry, like I should be wearing glasses or moving the aerial, and they were never just on one side. Loads of people fanboy over Mick McMahon on the back of his other works, but I'd agree, his Sonic stuff left me feeling cold. It's not really an issue. Sure, it as a bit cheesey, but it's not really the defining point of a bad story. I always assumed the animal inside of the badnik was under control of the Roller Badnik and probably prefered to be a heavily defended armoured robot, rather than be free and risk being a slave again.  |
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Feb 27, 2011 19:41:12 GMT
I suppose it's a moot point as the Badnik will have gone haywire during #100 and probably coughed up some middle aged businessman, leaving Smokey alone and friendless.
Either that or it's a model that didn't require an organic battery.
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Feb 27, 2011 19:46:35 GMT
"- Shanazar. Again I was fine with it at first, but it was so lengthy that any kids picking up the comic would be wondering what the **** is going on with this Arabic desert nonsense and complete lack of badniks. And not buy it again."
The story involving Shanazar didn't proceed as I had intended it would. I was gone from the comic after the beginning of this story arc.
"- Stories, ESPECIALLY multi-part stories, where the action takes up two panes of the final part. As a kid it was just disappointing but accepted, as an adult it was odd. First thing that immediately comes to mind: The Sonic CD story. Be ashamed!"
Bit confused by this. Are you saying that the above mentioned story lacked action? I think the Sonic CD story would be one of mine. Not sure this should cause me shame even if what you say is true.
"- Johnny Lightfoot. Because there's nothing more likeable than a lanky guy who seems to be a fan of Gladiators and fancies the chick who's only interested in the cool hero."
You seem a little angry...
"- No logic. Even as a kid, I never understood why Sonic let that good roller badnik go. There's an animal inprisoned inside of it as a battery!!!"
This was Smokey and The Badnik, right? That Badnik was special - we know it didn't have a battery inside as the scene where Smokey hides inside the thing proves. How was it powered then? I don't know that wasn't the point of the story.
"- Separate and Friendly Super Sonic. As a kid I dealt with it, and as a psycho that was cool too. But to have him be nice and have buckteeth? I hope I'm not going to read a story where Super Sonic finally beats the bullies at his university by getting a PhD in mathematics, and helping out at his local charity."
See, I was always pleased with this pacifist Super Sonic idea. Where you're idea he had buck teeth comes from I have no idea. I just don't see why making him a lunatic is good and a pacifist is bad. I'll bet you hated the idea of Charmey beating the Crimson Cobra by buying out his company.
"These failings could only be reversed if the story in question involved Knuckles ploughing the floating Island into the villain's face"
I think I see where you're coming from.
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Post by Tom on Feb 27, 2011 19:48:06 GMT
If any stories meet the following conditions, I consider them poor: - Earth. I was fine with Earth being involved once, but then they decided to make it regular. - Shanazar. Again I was fine with it at first, but it was so lengthy that any kids picking up the comic would be wondering what the **** is going on with this Arabic desert nonsense and complete lack of badniks. And not buy it again. - Mick McMahon. I'm only judging on his Sonic art, but it did not suit at all. It was dim and at times unclear, something which does not suit the material considering its bright colour and atmosphere. Plus, I really don't see how his lighting effect works, where he drew inside the edges of characters like light was reflecting off them. Just made it look blurry, like I should be wearing glasses or moving the aerial, and they were never just on one side. - Stories, ESPECIALLY multi-part stories, where the action takes up two panes of the final part. As a kid it was just disappointing but accepted, as an adult it was odd. First thing that immediately comes to mind: The Sonic CD story. Be ashamed! - Tails is a wuss who finishes the story with a pun, a smile and a thumbs up. Really? - Johnny Lightfoot. Because there's nothing more likeable than a lanky guy who seems to be a fan of Gladiators and fancies the chick who's only interested in the cool hero. - No logic. Even as a kid, I never understood why Sonic let that good roller badnik go. There's an animal inprisoned inside of it as a battery!!! - Separate and Friendly Super Sonic. As a kid I dealt with it, and as a psycho that was cool too. But to have him be nice and have buckteeth? I hope I'm not going to read a story where Super Sonic finally beats the bullies at his university by getting a PhD in mathematics, and helping out at his local charity. These failings could only be reversed if the story in question involved Knuckles ploughing the floating Island into the villain's face, or Mr Fry. There never was enough Mr Fry. He was like Groundskeeper Willy in that hallowe'en Simpsons special where he kept getting killed as soon as he appeared. For the sake of my childhood, I'm sincerely glad they didn't tailor STC to your specifications... |
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Feb 27, 2011 19:50:35 GMT
"As an adult, the nostalgia and seeing what happened was cool, but I guess generally I wouldn't do it all again. It was a great kids' comic, but the quality took a sharp dip. I assume the writers ran out of material and stuck with one new story each issue, which itself was outside of the Sonic environment."
This is so far off the mark.
It almost sounds like you have opinions that are based of pure guesswork.
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Feb 27, 2011 19:53:18 GMT
I suppose it's a moot point as the Badnik will have gone haywire during #100 and probably coughed up some middle aged businessman, leaving Smokey alone and friendless. Either that or it's a model that didn't require an organic battery. I could have come up with an explanation for why thsi Badnik was differnet, how he could talk etc. But, as I say, that wasn't the point of the story. But I'm with you, this guy didn't need a battery - why, we will never know. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 27, 2011 19:54:10 GMT
I don't think there was any organic battery inside the Roller badnik. It didn't look like there was room for it. Sonic thought it might be using Smokey as one. I did as a kid, but I stopped reading during the Shanazar story. I don't know why, I assume it was just a case of me never asking my mum to buy it after putting up with a few issues of it. As an adult, the nostalgia and seeing what happened was cool, but I guess generally I wouldn't do it all again. It was a great kids' comic, but the quality took a sharp dip. I assume the writers ran out of material and stuck with one new story each issue, which itself was outside of the Sonic environment. More a case that the writers were being instructed to write single issue complete stories every week by the editor after she'd been on one of her feng shui editorial management courses that informed her how everything in a magazine should be driven. Or so I'm given to understand. The idea that the writers had run out of ideas is patently laughable... I honestly don't see the problem. It's not like there's tons of threads on the front page to begin with. Plus it's fun to see how people's opinions have changed over time. |
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Post by Arch on Feb 27, 2011 20:07:40 GMT
I suppose it's a moot point as the Badnik will have gone haywire during #100 and probably coughed up some middle aged businessman, leaving Smokey alone and friendless. Either that or it's a model that didn't require an organic battery. I could have come up with an explanation for why thsi Badnik was differnet, how he could talk etc. To be honest, most of the Badniks in the early stories were spouting all sorts of lines, so this one wouldn't have been too out of place back then. I didn't actually notice they didn't talk in your stories until you pointed it out... huh. |
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Post by Blizz on Feb 27, 2011 20:10:15 GMT
The Troopers didn't need organic batteries either.
Let's just say Smokey's Roller was an attempt at applying the same technology to Badniks, and more would have gone ahead if Receptionik hadn't chucked the blueprints in the bin while cleaning up.
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Post by Ed on Feb 27, 2011 21:20:53 GMT
I suppose it's a moot point as the Badnik will have gone haywire during #100 and probably coughed up some middle aged businessman, leaving Smokey alone and friendless. Either that or it's a model that didn't require an organic battery. I could have come up with an explanation for why thsi Badnik was differnet, how he could talk etc. But, as I say, that wasn't the point of the story. But I'm with you, this guy didn't need a battery - why, we will never know. You didn't need to. Plenty of badniks didn't have organic batteries or Sonic would have had an army of little woodland folk following him around whenever he smashed some bad guys. Badniks had people inside them when it suited the plot. Yes, some badniks hunted down organic batteries but the comic never gave the impression that this was the only way they could be powered. For that matter, we've only got Robotnik's word for it that the 'organic battery' concept works at all -- maybe this was just pseudoscience which he passed off as fact because it suited his cruel intentions. A bit Josef Mengele. |
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Post by Supermorff on Feb 27, 2011 21:27:04 GMT
Back in issue 4 (the first appearance of organic batteries), there were badniks that actually went round looking for their own organic batteries. Why couldn't Rollers just be like that, except this one decided he didn't want to imprison Smokey forever?
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