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Post by nirvana on Dec 21, 2004 11:14:56 GMT
Is it just me or is this film amazingly over-rated?
It was on BBC1 last night and I thought I would watch it. A film that has spawned so many sequals and rip-offs must be good right?
Wrong.
It's such a bad film. The characters are annoyingly stupid. I know characters in horror movies are usually dumb but in this film they really did deserve to die. Major eg. the killer is lay on the floor after she has just managed to 'kill him' and she turns her back to him and sit downs... even though he has already risen from the dead once before. Seeing as he is capable of rising from the dead, you'd think it would cross her mind that he might just actually do it again and that she should keep her eye on him... ok, yes, this film angered me.
It's hard to believe that such a dumb movie could be produced just one year before the classic and original film Alien.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 21, 2004 16:38:21 GMT
If it's a slasher film, I think it sucks. Believe it or not, many magazines etc believe the Halloween franchise to be a load of crud, so it isn't THAT overrated.
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Post by JC on Dec 21, 2004 17:28:49 GMT
Ah thats because your putting it comletely out of its original context.
the original was made during the 1970's,
during this time television was becomming a peak time by that I mean almost every house had one or had access to one, with the television came the news, before news was in the paper and you would get toned down descriptions and mabe a photo showing something but you didnt get the whole story. but with television however you get to see what the people involved with the story saw, for example the moors murders. for the first time ever people could see the moors and hear about, they could see the reactions of people and the actual look of people. this scared them. for the first time peope could see as well as read what was happening in the world,
horrific events were now being shown on television for the first time for people to see, e.g. moors murders, kidnappings, terrorist attacks etc. and this made people worry and panic.
one such thing that kidnappings and the moors murders did was make people worry about strangers as well as people described as "crazy" strangers are everywhere and you have no idea what their mind set is like. parents were doubly scared by this and so were children who were fed horror stories about being ubducted by men in cars (the puppie men) and there was great worry for teenage girls being alone.
Halloween addresses these concerns by creating the ultimate stranger. Micheal myers is a physical embodiment of parents fears for their childrens safety. he also acts as a kind of moral judge, the young teens who have unmarried sex (with tv becomming mainstream people for the first time could see how globaly some people behaved and things like this horrified them) are killed because they go against the moral belief of the mainstream society, he also scares the young child for bullying the kid and for making him drop his pumpkin. Micheal myers becomes an almost god like being judging people for their actions and passing sentance accordingly, the character Laurie is spared because she follows the moral standards of the day and micheal cannot kill her as a result despite however hard he tries, the reason is that as with God he will not dam anyone who follows his will. And as with God and the story of Joanah and the whale no matter how hard you try to hide (or in this case kill micheal myers) he will find you and pass sentance on you.
So you see because people during the late 70's began to see real life horrors on tv for the first time and their fears of people rose Halloween helps to exploit parents concerns over the safety of their children at the time and helps to try and enforce the moral standards of the time when people were seeing a slow decline because the television was a window to the world and people could see the small minority behaving against the moral standards of society. that is why halloween is a great film because it feeds of parents fears for their childrens safety and how they behave. But the reason why they dont work now is because we have more acess to media and understand better how people behave and the way the world works. But I do agree after halloween 3 it gets daft.
If you take a lot of films from any decade you will see that there is a strong link between peoples thinking and the films content.
e.g. the late 90's saw a big increase in disaster films from the announcement that the film deep impact was in production.
e.g. armageddon, Volcano, Dantes peak, Earthquake (the remake) and ITV had the drama series the last train. at the same time as these films we had a comet pass by the earth (I forget the name) and we also had a discussion at the UN summit about a possible plan if there was ever an asteroid collision scenario.
also during the 90s we had all the mars missions. and hubble was finalised. (The Mars rover and future missions was announced (beagle 2 was announced then as well as the other probes)
at the same time the following films came out or were announced. Indipendence day (war of the worlds 2), Men in black, Stargate, Star trek "first contact", and george lucas announced that he was going to release the star wars trillogy 2.
phew!
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 21, 2004 20:25:23 GMT
What films do you like, Nirvana? I think Halloween is excellent.
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Post by nirvana on Dec 21, 2004 22:51:01 GMT
I guess one of the things I didn't like about it was that it seemed cliched, but a lot of these cliches in the film were probably not considered cliches at the time I guess; probably a lot of slasher films coppied the this films formula?
I dislike the film for one other big reason; my surname is Myers... so every time I introduce myself they say "Any relation to Michael Myers" It gets funnier and funnier every time, I can tell you.
My fav films... hmmm;
Alien Aliens Alien 3 American Beauty Natural Born Killers The Green Mile Fight Club Die Hard
And anything with Natalie Portman in it... she so pretty!
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Post by Sin on Dec 21, 2004 22:56:33 GMT
I dislike the film for one other big reason; my surname is Myers... so every time I introduce myself they say "Any relation to Michael Myers" It gets funnier and funnier every time, I can tell you. My surname is Harris, I have it a lot worse.
*Walks of singing ‘Tie me Kangaroo down sport’*
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Post by hyperknucks on Dec 23, 2004 11:39:26 GMT
I hate nasty movies I dont see the point. Like the Exorcist who wants to see a devil take over a little girls body it's sick. like movies were everyone dies there no moral
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Post by Stuntman Fifteen on Dec 23, 2004 13:09:24 GMT
Nirvana's right. Halloween is a terribly overated film just about some nutter who likes his knife and keeps forgeting you have to die at the end of the film.
I hate American film makers. When one film gets only a little bit of popularity and a bit of money they just have to milk it for all it's worth. Take for example Halloween. The first film was alright but nothing spectacular, then they have to make FIVE more films, who no one could be bothered to watch!
And it doesn't stop there. Toy Story. Alien Resurrection. Berverly Hills Cop. Police Academy. Friday the 13th. Poltergeist. Anaconda. Even bleedin' Godzilla and god knows what else!
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 23, 2004 18:32:11 GMT
I hate nasty movies I dont see the point. Same here. Call me a wuss if you want, but I have never endured a sick movie to the end. I just switch off eventually. My record is Predator, which I watched for an hour and a bit.
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Post by Zerolus on Dec 23, 2004 19:13:19 GMT
You dislike Toy Story? Give a good reason. And no, "Its a kids movie" will not do.
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 23, 2004 19:48:22 GMT
Stuntman, a few things to say... Godzilla is a Japanese movie series... there was an American version and it was arse, so it got no sequel. Anaconda has got one sequel, just released! hardly "milking it". Toy Story and it's sequel are exceptional films. And there are EIGHT Halloween movies.
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 23, 2004 19:58:01 GMT
I hate nasty movies I dont see the point. Like the Exorcist who wants to see a devil take over a little girls body it's sick. like movies were everyone dies there no moral The Exorcist is widely recognised and respected as a fabulous horror film - i'd wager you've never watched it... excuse me if i'm horribly wrong. Also, Exorcist is by no means a sick film. At least, not by todays standards. If anyone here wants to see some sick, twisted, totally [censored]ed up movies, I suggest you IMDB the following - though you do so at your own risk. Cannibal Holocaust (9 minutes cut) Mordum (Unavailable) SS Hell Camp (AKA, The Beast in Heat) (Banned in UK) Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS (Banned in UK) Or, if you want some that are actually available either virtually uncut or point blank unbanned, I suggest these - The Last House on the Left (A few seconds missing) The Evil Dead (Now uncut) Texas Chain Saw Massacre (Now Uncut) Sick little monkey!
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Post by hyperknucks on Dec 24, 2004 11:19:51 GMT
I may not have watched it but my mum my aunt and my dad have seen it and they said it was horrible my aunt loves a horror movie but even she found it disturbing.
And no I haven't watched it and frankly I dont wont to
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Post by Stuntman Fifteen on Dec 24, 2004 11:44:47 GMT
Madhair: I'm talking about the American movies. remember, Godzilla died in the Japanese version in 1976 (?) and then all of a sudden, he pops up in New York and starts tramping over everything. There just trying to squeeze a last few bucks out of the monster film era. And yes I agree, it was arse. EIGHT HALLOWEEN MOVIES? Holy balls! About Anaconda, making a terrible film that no one watched and then making a sequel YEARS later is the same as milking it. It like they looked in there old movie files, saw something that just MIGHT get them cash, and made a sequel, just as bad as the original
Zerolus: I didn't say anything about Toy Story being bad, I loved the first film, espicially Buzz and Woody's little fight in the gas station. I just feel the last film was a little unesscessary, but nonetheless spectacular.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 24, 2004 12:55:58 GMT
The Exorcist is widely recognised and respected as a fabulous horror film - i'd wager you've never watched it... excuse me if i'm horribly wrong. Well, you're horribly wrong about it being a fabulous film. Tat.
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Post by JC on Dec 24, 2004 17:24:54 GMT
you've obviously never watched films have you? the exorcist is a fabulous film.
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Post by Admin Droid on Dec 24, 2004 18:11:25 GMT
It's fine to call a film great or rubbish outright if that's your opinion, but it's going to get a bit repetitive. In any event, if you want to go further and say someone else's opinion is wrong you're really going to need some stronger arguments.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 24, 2004 18:18:00 GMT
i saw the Blair Witch project and am still terrified of being left alone in the house or going into the woods
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 28, 2004 13:36:11 GMT
you've obviously never watched films have you? the exorcist is a fabulous film. So it won a load of Oscars, so did Titanic. (which is horrendous)
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Post by Stuntman Fifteen on Dec 28, 2004 14:24:26 GMT
So it won a load of Oscars, so did Titanic. (which is horrendous) Glad I'm not the only one here wwho hates that stupid film. The only good part is when the ship sank.
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Post by JC on Dec 28, 2004 17:12:52 GMT
So it won a load of Oscars, so did Titanic. (which is horrendous) Yes it won loads of oscars because its more then just a simple story same with titanic. the exorcists is a wonderful film because its a direct connotation to christ and mankinds struggle to overcome evil. The exorcist adresses the concerns that no one man is safe from evil it can come in any form and we as people can be easilly tangled up in its web, the exorcists is a physical representation of mans eternal battle against becomming evil and shows how the human spirit can triumph over evil against the odds providing we listen and accept each other. Titianic is a great film because its a love story which adresses the class system of the time and reflects upon the working class and the upper classes of today, when we see Jack trying to fit in at the dinner and the men disregarding him because he is poor and in the 3rd class cabin it represents our own pre judgments despire our so called changed attitude, Also the sinking of the ship itself reminds manking that we are not in control of the world. Nature itself is more powerful and we are puppets of it. constantly throughout the film we are reminded that the ship is huge! and unsinkable! and grand! and no rats! its presented to us as the pinical and ultimate human creation however because of mankinds arrogance to believe that we can do what we like, we discover through a hard loss (the sinking resulting in deaths) that we cannot control the world despite what we may seem, throughout history mankind has done this and we are reminded by iconic moments where our faith in technology and our arrogance to fail to identify that we are just children playing with the world results in us getting hurt, look at the gaul trawler tradgedy, it was the most advanced trawler of its time however it sank (failure of the crew get over it there was no submarine!) the space shuttle and even global poverty. Titanic reminds us that we are guests in the ocean since we are naturally land creatures and must respect it.
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 28, 2004 20:26:10 GMT
Titanic is a great film. However I find it boring. I am still able to comprehend its obvious brilliance.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 29, 2004 14:08:02 GMT
I actually quite like Titanic, but I still think it is totally dire.
DOWN WITH EXORCIST!
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Post by Stuntman Fifteen on Dec 29, 2004 16:23:43 GMT
Yes it won loads of oscars because its more then just a simple story same with titanic. the exorcists is a wonderful film because its a direct connotation to christ and mankinds struggle to overcome evil. The exorcist adresses the concerns that no one man is safe from evil it can come in any form and we as people can be easilly tangled up in its web, the exorcists is a physical representation of mans eternal battle against becomming evil and shows how the human spirit can triumph over evil against the odds providing we listen and accept each other. Titianic is a great film because its a love story which adresses the class system of the time and reflects upon the working class and the upper classes of today, when we see Jack trying to fit in at the dinner and the men disregarding him because he is poor and in the 3rd class cabin it represents our own pre judgments despire our so called changed attitude, Also the sinking of the ship itself reminds manking that we are not in control of the world. Nature itself is more powerful and we are puppets of it. constantly throughout the film we are reminded that the ship is huge! and unsinkable! and grand! and no rats! its presented to us as the pinical and ultimate human creation however because of mankinds arrogance to believe that we can do what we like, we discover through a hard loss (the sinking resulting in deaths) that we cannot control the world despite what we may seem, throughout history mankind has done this and we are reminded by iconic moments where our faith in technology and our arrogance to fail to identify that we are just children playing with the world results in us getting hurt, look at the gaul trawler tradgedy, it was the most advanced trawler of its time however it sank (failure of the crew get over it there was no submarine!) the space shuttle and even global poverty. Titanic reminds us that we are guests in the ocean since we are naturally land creatures and must respect it. Uh oh... I think we've finally found a replacement for Robert Frazer...
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Post by JC on Dec 29, 2004 18:06:57 GMT
Uh oh... I think we've finally found a replacement for Robert Frazer... lol hey wanna hear the explanation on why "The Terminator" is in fact a love story or the lion king 2 which is basicly romeo and juliet! but with lions.
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