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Post by Alex on Apr 11, 2013 19:03:55 GMT
Well I don't know, I was reading about it in an article regarding the closure of a relatively big effects studio that did a lot of work for DW. I know it'll come back eventually, but there hasn't been any rumblings of a new series for the foreseeable future. Moffat's working on the next series, Matt Smith has said he will return (though no commission means he isn't yet officially signed on) and the BBC are looking for a new executive producer for the show. Plus it makes a massive amount of money for BBC Worldwide, so it's going no-where. Moffat and Smith, however, I can almost guarantee will be departing with the next series.
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Post by Sam on Apr 11, 2013 21:06:29 GMT
Again, I wasn't saying it wasn't coming back, just that it might be a while. I don't know how much The Mill was involved with DW's effects. Hopefully they can find a new post house that will be able to take on the contract.
But if the series is still being worked on, then I'm sure there's plenty of time.
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Post by Alex on Apr 11, 2013 21:22:45 GMT
The Mill were the main effects house for Doctor Who, but it's not as if they're the only ones that exist in the whole country. They'll not only have already found someone (and will have done once The Mill announced to their clients they were going to shut down) - but will have had pretty much every effects house in the country pitching for it. Steady TV work on the biggest visual effects show in the UK? You'd be mad to not put your hat in the ring for that.
I'm actually hoping it ends up with them picking up a better team for it, really. The Mill did some good work, but they also dropped some clangers. There's definitely room for improvement.
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Post by Ringo (2015 Edition) on Apr 13, 2013 17:51:31 GMT
Tonight's ep was actually pretty good....at the beginning and at the end. The rest was very tedious, but Skaldak was a badass. Also loved the submarine effects and the language translation the TARDIS was capable of. But I'm afraid the whole thing was just let down in more ways than one.
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Post by Alex on Apr 13, 2013 19:35:29 GMT
I actually thought it was quite good. Easily the best Gatiss has produced in his time on the show so far.
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Post by ShayMay on Apr 13, 2013 22:04:02 GMT
Very good. Fantastic, a great dramatic villain with a clear motive, focused and concise, sentimental without being cloying, and pervasively claustrophobic. Also some lovely little bits of silliness in there.
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Post by Arch on Apr 13, 2013 22:07:07 GMT
I'm already sick of Clara making inspirational speeches that saved the day, that's two in a row aimed at Skaldak and that sun thing.
I enjoyed the episode enough, nice character building in places and I'm really glad the professor survived. What happened to that crew member that tried to team-up with Skaldak, teaching about "mutual destruction" or whatever it was? I expected him to turn up at the end and shoot someone but I don't remember seeing him again.
Next one looks a little dull, but I didn't really see enough to back up that declaration.
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Post by Slender Man on Apr 13, 2013 22:15:39 GMT
They found his dismembered body and ID with blood on it. That was like, a whole scene.
Also, Clara is fantastic. I love not really knowing who she is, since we're on a 3rd Clara Oswald now. She's very down to earth, has had good reason given for her very nature (The premature death of her Mother), and I'm seeing shared traits between herself and Rose, but still an altogether different assistant.
As for these inspirational speeches, I like them, they have a brilliantly corny thing about them, yet they've all had something people can relate to in them. Infact, she's a character I think almost everyone can relate with. She's very 'human'.
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Post by Alex on Apr 13, 2013 22:21:28 GMT
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Apr 14, 2013 9:34:56 GMT
That little splotch of blood on the photo was probably the most blood this show has ever seen. I've never seen Ice Warriors before now so I kind of have mixed feelings about the episode. I would've liked to see them in their prime back in the classic series first, but whatever. Also kind of disappointed that all the Russians didn't even speak with Russian accents. :/
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Post by Supermorff on Apr 14, 2013 9:41:59 GMT
I've now had to look up whether Ultravox did split up or not.
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Post by Alex on Apr 14, 2013 12:10:37 GMT
That little splotch of blood on the photo was probably the most blood this show has ever seen. I've never seen Ice Warriors before now so I kind of have mixed feelings about the episode. I would've liked to see them in their prime back in the classic series first, but whatever. Also kind of disappointed that all the Russians didn't even speak with Russian accents. :/ They've only been in a few stories. And the last story (very many moons ago) showed them living peacefully - not as an attacking alien race. The point of the Ice Warriors (not unlike the Silurians in many respects) is that they're much closer to 'humanity' than most of the Doctor's enemies. They're capable of being good people, but also capable of being terrible to themselves and others. I don't think you're missing a whole lot by not seeing the previous stories. All the main layers of how they're handled there across all the previous stories are handled here in a single episode. I've been feeling that this may have been a pitch by Mark Gatiss for the top spot. He did certainly seem to bring an A game to this one over previous spotty examples. Just so long as Chris Chibnall, the guy that wrote the awful Power Of Three, the innuendo-laden and barely passable Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, the mediocre Silurian two-parter and a not insignificant amount of Torchwood, doesn't get it. That'd be fine with me.
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Post by lordgazza on Apr 14, 2013 14:33:16 GMT
While I have to agree with Alex that not knowing the concept of MAD is pretty weak. MAD isn't really as relevant in today's International Relations regardless of the North Korean situation. Due to the advancement in Nuclear technology and weapons capability any launch of a Nuclear Weapon would have such negative effects that another Nuke wouldn't be needed. The mere firing of the first rocket would amount to Self-Assured Destruction particularly in North Korea's case given how the short-range nature (in context obviously) of its Nukes. Chomsky has a good bit written on this if anyone is interested.
Also this episode was pretty good. I've been looking forward to the return of the Ice Warriors for some time now.
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Post by Arch on Apr 14, 2013 16:33:03 GMT
What the [censored] is wrong with you, to feel you have the need to belittle both my education and my comprehension of a pretty obvious concept. I fully understand the concept, the history of the Cold War, its rather unrelated significance with North Korea and what should happen if a nuclear missile was ever launched in anger. I've just never heard of the specific term, hence why I couldn't remember the quote. And no, I didn't learn about it at school, nor have I visited the Wikipedia page on the subject. But to think I can't even recognise it in a story largely dedicated to it..? Only just noticed that you linked to a Google News Search, as I'm clearly too thick to know what you implied without it. You have a serious superiority complex. While I have to agree with Alex that not knowing the concept of MAD is pretty weak You can bugger off, too. I thought we were taking about Ice Warriors, not Internet warriors. -- I saw the whole ID bit, but I completely missed the name and actual photo. Must have zoned out briefly, sorry. Carry on.
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Post by Alex on Apr 14, 2013 19:05:22 GMT
And no, I didn't learn about it at school That was, 100% no more, no less, my entire point.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Apr 14, 2013 20:45:42 GMT
Well I did learn about the Cold War at school (it was my favourite module, incidentally) and while I remember covering the concept in depth, the actual name of it hasn't stuck in my mind. Too busy memorising various party members' names, stuff like glasnost and what not.. :B
Anyways.. this felt like Alien on a submarine to me.
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Post by lordgazza on Apr 14, 2013 22:06:08 GMT
Okay, okay, okay let's calm down. I don't think anyone meant to be insulting people. (Well, I didn't) I was merely saying that it was a bit odd that the name MAD didn't stick in your head given it's importance in the history of international relations.
But re:Aliens on a submarine. That was my thought the minute it broke out of its armour.
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Post by Knuckles on Apr 15, 2013 7:14:00 GMT
That little splotch of blood on the photo was probably the most blood this show has ever seen. I've never seen Ice Warriors before now so I kind of have mixed feelings about the episode. I would've liked to see them in their prime back in the classic series first, but whatever. Also kind of disappointed that all the Russians didn't even speak with Russian accents. :/ They've only been in a few stories. And the last story (very many moons ago) showed them living peacefully - not as an attacking alien race. The point of the Ice Warriors (not unlike the Silurians in many respects) is that they're much closer to 'humanity' than most of the Doctor's enemies. They're capable of being good people, but also capable of being terrible to themselves and others. I don't think you're missing a whole lot by not seeing the previous stories. All the main layers of how they're handled there across all the previous stories are handled here in a single episode. I've been feeling that this may have been a pitch by Mark Gatiss for the top spot. He did certainly seem to bring an A game to this one over previous spotty examples. Just so long as Chris Chibnall, the guy that wrote the awful Power Of Three, the innuendo-laden and barely passable Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, the mediocre Silurian two-parter and a not insignificant amount of Torchwood, doesn't get it. That'd be fine with me. The episode was ok, but I seriously hope Gatiss isn't the next showrunner. His previous episodes have been so dire. One had The Doctor running around council flats knocking on doors for the better part of an episode and the other was the ridiculous spitfires in space... not a fan of Gatiss in the slightest and I even prefer Dinosaurs on a Spaceship to anything he had done prior to this episode. However, this episode was decent though the lack of Russian accents bothered me too but I guess that's to do with some language matrixy thing. Though how it works here but not so Clara can understand the dog alien I don't know... As I said, decent episode that had all it needed to in it really, though as someone else mentioned I hope Clara doesn't make speeches every episode as that will get dull fast. However, I'm liking her so far, and liking the mystery involved with her. Next weeks reminded me a little of Ecclestone's episode "The Unquiet Dead". Not looking forward to it too much, but I was really not looking forward to this season's Gatiss episode and it surprised me, so we'll see.
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Post by The Shad on Apr 19, 2013 4:04:05 GMT
Okay, NOW it begins.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Apr 19, 2013 10:31:36 GMT
Also, this;
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Post by Alex on Apr 19, 2013 10:36:56 GMT
That's for the final episode in this half of the series, by the way. It's not the anniversary.
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Post by Ringo (2015 Edition) on Apr 20, 2013 18:50:10 GMT
Best episode to date IMO. My best bits was where the Doctor stepped out of the TARDIS to see everything ending (see attachment) and when the ghost appeared behind Emma and Professor Palmer. The monster was as ugly as hell, and it really captured the eerie-ness of the whole episode. Next week's ep featuring a journey to the center of the TARDIS looks great, and I think that when Clara mentioned whisky is the 11th most disgusting thing ever, I thought immediately that the number 11 is going to be a plot reference. We shall see.
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Post by Knuckles on Apr 26, 2013 11:10:53 GMT
I found that episode to be pretty weak for a couple of reasons. The Doctor mentioning the psychic being in pain and agony could be interesting just wasn't Doctorish at all. Also, him telling Clara she's just a mystery after she's witnessed the vastness of the world ending just isn't Doctorish when compared to how he treated Amy in similar situations. This could be explained by him having no attachment to Clara other than the fact she's a paradox, but he's not displayed the same callousness to her before now, so it was strange.
The story was a little dull at times, but what really annoyed me was the return of the "baddie isn't really bad at the end" trope. All in all, I found it a poor episode.
Next week's however, looks pretty interesting and exciting.
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Post by ShayMay on Apr 26, 2013 20:15:36 GMT
Wanted to quit halfway through that. Tripe through and through: both stinkers so far this season have been written by Neil Cross which does NOT speak highly of him and as such I hope he doesn't return.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Apr 26, 2013 20:34:48 GMT
Y'know what I'm glad to see other people aren't as enthused by the recent Who offering. The Internet tells me if I don't like an episode of Doctor Who I must be some kind of weirdo...
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