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Post by Turbocharge on Sept 26, 2004 7:09:34 GMT
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 26, 2004 11:07:38 GMT
Sin's gonna go mental over this.
Stupid name. And seriously, what is up with the guy in the green boxout?
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Post by Turbocharge on Sept 26, 2004 11:45:01 GMT
he's on just about every page in that magazine. he's just it's mascot.
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Post by Sin on Sept 26, 2004 13:21:30 GMT
Luckily I knew about this about a week ago so my original screaming and running around naked period has passed. Now I have mellowed out a bit and can make normal conversation.
Anyway, being both a huge FFVII and Vincent fanboy, this game seemed to have been made purely for me in mind (or at least an attempt to rip me off). With Before Crises and Advent Children it is clear that Square are milking the cash cow of FFVII for all it is worth, but as I mentioned before, being a fanboy means that I don’t really care.
The real thing I am interested in is what style of game this will be, the videos I have seen suggest an action DMC style game. But some people have translated the Japanese articles and they seem to make out it is more of an action RPG (similar to Kingdom Hearts and Star Ocean perhaps?) Meh, we are gonna have to wait and see.
BTW, Cait Sith is in it, hooray!
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Post by Turbocharge on Sept 26, 2004 13:55:21 GMT
woohoo! cait sith rocks. ;D
where'd you get the videos? I must watch...
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Post by Sin on Sept 26, 2004 16:07:04 GMT
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Post by JJ on Sept 26, 2004 17:55:59 GMT
I'm skeptical until proven otherwise. I think Advent Children is gonna be great, but DoC seems like a bit of a cash-in. Then again, ppl said the same thing about FFX-2, and I preferred that to FFX.
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Post by Turbocharge on Sept 26, 2004 18:08:42 GMT
hmmm.. weird. most people I know prefer X to X-2. myself included.
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Post by JJ on Sept 26, 2004 18:19:58 GMT
FFX was abomnible.
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Post by Robert Frazer on Sept 26, 2004 18:39:03 GMT
What on earth are yout uttering, Jamie J? ALL of the Final Fantasy games are abominable! They're tired, derivative, self-plagiarising, stultifying factory-churned dross and rubbish. I hope that the day when SquarEnix finally careens madly into an Interplay-style explosive and catastrophic bankruptcy is fast approaching - then its suffocating stanragehold on the RPG market can be broken and we can have decent and original games for a change, rather than ones that are trying to ape Final Fantasy... when can it live up to its name?
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Post by supersonicjim on Sept 26, 2004 18:59:00 GMT
What on earth are yout uttering, Jamie J? ALL of the Final Fantasy games are abominable! They're tired, derivative, self-plagiarising Refering to the first one, eh?
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Post by Robert Frazer on Sept 26, 2004 19:22:55 GMT
My word - and people see fit to accuse me of being pedantic... SuperSonicJim, if you absolutely insist upon arguing the toss over whether each syllable has an acute or grave accent, you should realise that I was referring to the entire series collectively. And yes, the Final Fantasy games are derivative... if not, why are their battle systems (to give one convenient example) replicas of each other? And as for the first instalment - I've heard the 'save the princess, destroy the Great Evil TM, return home in time for tea and medals' formula a thousand times before. So I've dared to challenge the absolute totalitarian dominion of SquareEnix. Sue me (which they probably will).
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Post by supersonicjim on Sept 26, 2004 19:36:37 GMT
if not, why are their battle systems (to give one convenient example) replicas of each other? Because it is the same genre of turn based role playing. Pedantic indeed ignoring at least 4 of the action based Final Fantasy games.
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Post by Turbocharge on Sept 26, 2004 19:43:37 GMT
i'd have to disagree with you robert. mostly on your claim that the battle systems are all the same.
FFVI was the first game in the series to introduce the ATB feature. FFVII had a materia system in which characters were given abilities based on the materia you assigned to them. FFVIII used a juction system... which to be honest, I still can't grasp the concept of. FFX used a grid in which characters became more powerful by activating nodes. It was also the game that limited summoning spells to one character and also allowed you to change your party mid-fight. in FFX-2 characters could finally attack simultaneously and you were limited to 3 characters in total and all summons had been removed from the game. battling was done with "dress spheres" which could be chaged mid-battle to allow a different character class.
FFXII is also set to change, since square are completely doing away with random battles.
Really one of the only things that remains the same is the formation during fights. the good news is, if you tire of seeing 3 character standing in a line during fights, you could always switch to FFTactics.
And of course, now we come to FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus. The battle system has yet again evolved, though this time i'm not sure it's for the better. We shall have to wait and see.
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 26, 2004 20:30:41 GMT
I can't help but feel you're bashing the FF series to uphold some kind of image, Rob. The games from FFVI to FFIX are all clearly superlative pieces of entertainment. Excuse me if I come across as hugely ignorant, btw.
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Post by supersonicjim on Sept 26, 2004 20:37:16 GMT
How can you not like Final Fantasy? One gets to kill animals, some are innocent. There is also boating and possibly some manly angling too.
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Post by MrNekoda on Sept 26, 2004 22:23:58 GMT
As the evil Rob is causing mayhem...BOOM! The Ultimate Rob Nekoda enters to uphold the justice![/b] Big flaw in your post, OtherRob: I think you'll find that rescuing the princess was simply the first "practice" mission on the original Final Fantasy and that practice took twenty minutes to complete. And as for destroying evil - which is in almost very book, game and movie ever (Conflict of some kind) - Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles has no Ultimate Evil. May I please ask that no-one spoil any of the Final Fantasy games in this thread? Thanks.
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 27, 2004 8:02:46 GMT
So I can't post what happens to the late Aeris (God rest her soul)? Laaaame...
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Post by JJ on Sept 27, 2004 12:53:37 GMT
What on earth are yout uttering, Jamie J? ALL of the Final Fantasy games are abominable! They're tired, derivative, self-plagiarising, stultifying factory-churned dross and rubbish. Wrong. Only Final Fantasy X and the movie are tired, derivative, self-plagiarising, factory-churned and rubbish. I suggest you actually give the others a go before slating them in such a misinformed, incredibly anal manner. I thought you were supposed to be the clever one. FFVI and VII revolutionised modern RPGs. And those that don't live up to majesty of those games at least deliver a blinding story to make up for it (FFIX, X-2). As for 'factory-churned': I have trouble considering FF an actual viable franchise, because every single one is just so different. Only the basic gameplay elements remain, and even then Square always design a brand new engine for each installment. The battle system is similar because the roots of the series lie with the traditonal turn-based style typical of Japanese RPGs. Would you slate Zelda games for retaining basic swordplay elements of the combat system? Would you criticise Doom III for 'having guns in'? Final Fantasy is no more responsible for having samey sequels than any other major franchise, and it is one of the very few to actually try something completely different with every game. Try playing an early FF game, and then compare it to the chaotic melee-style brawls in X-2. Then try and tell me that these games are all the same. I dare you. Why? For raising the standards of all RPGs? For making some of the most classic games of our time? Your opinions don't make you hardcore, or elitist, or retro, they just make you utterly blind to everything Square has achieved, regarding the standard of RPGs for the past seventeen years. But would things really be any better if it wasn't for Square? Nobody's trying to 'ape' Final Fantasy, they're just following suit because everybody knows that the FF series are flipping incredible. As for Square's 'stanragehold', if you don't like what they're doing, than stick with Zelda, Dark Chronicle, Shenmue, Fable, or whatever else you kids play nowadays. Final Fantasy has hit a downhill slump the past few years (although most fans are too loyal to admit this), but to blindly bash the entire series from the beginning, as you are, is stupid, moronic, and so pretentious it makes me stop and wonder. I suppose you despise Sony and EA too, don't you. "OH MY GOD! THEY'RE CHANGING THINGS FOR THE BETTER! LET'S GET 'EM!!"
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Post by Sin on Sept 27, 2004 15:56:12 GMT
Jamie J, my hat goes up to you.
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 27, 2004 16:10:18 GMT
Jamie J, if I were gay I'd... well...
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Post by Oz on Sept 27, 2004 16:39:41 GMT
It will be truly tremendous
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Post by Robert Frazer on Sept 27, 2004 16:47:21 GMT
Jamie J, I must admit that you presented your argument well, and I applaud you for it. I also readily concede that I was unwarrantedly aggressive in my previous posts (however, if you genuinely believe that E.A. is "changing games for the better" then I can do nothing but laugh in your face. But that belongs to another thread entirely, so I won't pursue it here.). Most of what you say is quite fair, and I am willing to admit that the Final Fantasy games have a myriad of merits - for instance, I cannot refute that the later games have had excellent composers, and much of the VIII soundtrack was downloaded onto my computer before a computer crash eliminated all of it. Despite this, I must continue to express my opposition to the series - it may have a variety of commendable attributes, but I'm bored stiff by the name. I'm bored by the legions upon legions of fanboys and fangirls who can't comprehend that any other RPG exists (literally - I've challenged some of them). I'm bored by the softcore pornography. If I wanted to ogle women, there are many cheaper ways to go about it than pay for a copy of X-2. I'm bored by the po-faced manner in which their scriptwriters treat philosophy. I'm bored by the unimaginative and desolate world maps. I'm bored by the Mannequin Mode battle system. I'm bored by their chocolate-and-icing graphical style. Sometimes less is more. You can quite well enjoy the games if you wish - indeed, I hope you do! But equally I can't deny that the announcement of a new Final Fantasy game only draws from me a grand, smothering yawn of stultification and indifference This isn't some form of 'conscientious objection' for the sake of being a nonconformist rebel - The games' style just doesn't interest me. If you can't abide that, then I'm sorry my brain-wiring is inimical to yours. Diverting into an aside - Jamie J, if it's apparently such a great offence to enjoy retrogaming, then you must ignore every title I to VI - and as by your own admission the later games have made a turn for the worse, you've just gone and hanged yourself with your own noose. And how, precisely, can every one "be so much different" when this thread was designed to discuss a continuation of a used plot? You live by the book, you die by it, Jamie. By all means, play XII - I won't be stopping you, it's just that I won't be joining. I hope that clears everything up.
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Post by Sin on Sept 27, 2004 16:56:39 GMT
Just out of interest, which RPGs are you a fan of Robert?
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Post by Yunni on Sept 27, 2004 16:56:46 GMT
wow - cannot top your arguement there, jamie me lad
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