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Post by Samface on May 12, 2011 9:52:58 GMT
Oh, I thought this game only used MK1-3 characters*. Is Quanny the only one from later titles, or are there others? *or "kharacters", if you must
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on May 12, 2011 9:58:37 GMT
Oh, I thought everyone knew already? o.o
Well, yes Mr. Samuel L. Face. Quan Chi is in the game and no, there are no other post-MK3 kharacters (except as background kameos, but I'll leave you to discover those yourself).
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on May 12, 2011 11:49:27 GMT
Basically, they had this Quan Chi model left over from MK Vs DCU and they decided to use it. And then use it to [censored] Shang Tsung out of the story a little bit. The roster is essentially MK Trilogy with Quan Chi instead of Rain and Cyber Sub Zero instead of Cyber Smoke. Plus there are cameo's in the story mode. Not obvious ones like Classic Ninja (M+F) and Skarlet. But they do pop up. Frost, Kenshi and others apparently appear during Cyber Sub Zero's appearance in story mode just before you fight him as Kabal Seeing as everyone went into detail with future characters. I shall too. 3 Rain - Its happening. The amount of BS that was sent to Boon on Twitter moaning that he wasn't in means this is happening. There is nothing we can do. But he did look cool in Armageddon. Khameleon/Chameleon - As hidden fights - Yes. Motaro - Yes as a Boss. 4/Mythologies: Sub Zero. Quan Chi is already in. Lol. Shinnok - something tells me he is already in. Tanya - Yes. Deception did make her a lot more awesome. Kai - Yes, because he was originally in 4 a Caperoia based character and they wanted to do that for Armageddon but Midway were going down the [censored]ter and they needed a MK game to stay afloat. Jarek - No. Because he was going to be Kano but they wanted more new characters. So he got all of Kano's moves but no eye laser to produce his eye laser move. Reiko - I'd say no. But he'll probably be in anyway because he was looking cool in Armageddon and he would be a handy little background character. Fujin - Yes. He is actually in Kratos's ending. Plus he is rumoured to be DLC for this game. Sareena - Yeah. She was pretty much meant to be in 4 anyway. Kia/Jatakka - Yeah as a hidden endurance fight. Deadly Alliance Bo Rai Cho - Yes, serious him up a bit in terms of specials though. Puking and farting are not cool. Frost - Yes. I do like her. She does have some potential. Mavado - Yeah, do like him, got some potential, just dont bother with the Red Dragon this time. Hsu Hao - No. Had cool weapons though. Drahmin - No. He was just... no. Moloch - Yes. He is a blue wolf ape thing. Li Mei - She is a Tekken character in a Mortal Kombat game. Her armour in Deception was cool though. Nitara - Yes. She was a cool little mater manipulator. Deception Onaga - Yes. Double yes. Shujinko - No, double no. Darrius - No. Kobra - No. Ashrah - Yes. The rising demon story is a nice twist on the fallen angel story. Kira - Yes. Better main story and moves though. Dairou - No. Hotaru - Yes. Havik - Yes. They are yin and yang really.
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Post by Baron Canier on May 12, 2011 12:11:29 GMT
Motaro cannot work in the new MK in any capacity due to his unusual body shape; none of the X-Ray moves from the rest of the roster would be able to function. Making adjustments to the game in order to accomodate Motaro would take far, far too much time and effort, hence why they gave him a few cursory cameos and then killed him off. On top of everything else, his design is naff. Recently Boon remarked that Havik and Hotaru returning was "very, very unlikely". He also flat out said that Li Mei and Matoro are never coming back. He does keep making cryptic remarks about Rain though ("Yeah, a lot of people are asking us for Rain"), so he probably is on the way. Not entirely sure how I feel about that. Fujin - Yes. He is actually in Kratos's ending. Plus he is rumoured to be DLC for this game. Not quite "rumoured".
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Post by Samface on May 12, 2011 12:25:02 GMT
Oh, I thought everyone knew already? o.o Well, yes Mr. Samuel L. Face. Quan Chi is in the game and no, there are no other post-MK3 kharacters (except as background kameos, but I'll leave you to discover those yourself). Haven't got the game yet. I'll pick it up eventually, but I thought I'd have a quick flick through this thread to see what everyone thought of it. Cheers for the info.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on May 12, 2011 12:52:34 GMT
Motaro cannot work in the new MK in any capacity due to his unusual body shape; none of the X-Ray moves from the rest of the roster would be able to function. Making adjustments to the game in order to accomodate Motaro would take far, far too much time and effort, hence why they gave him a few cursory cameos and then killed him off. On top of everything else, his design is naff. Recently Boon remarked that Havik and Hotaru returning was "very, very unlikely". He also flat out said that Li Mei and Matoro are never coming back. He does keep making cryptic remarks about Rain though ("Yeah, a lot of people are asking us for Rain"), so he probably is on the way. Not entirely sure how I feel about that. Fujin - Yes. He is actually in Kratos's ending. Plus he is rumoured to be DLC for this game. Not quite "rumoured".In terms of Li Mei, Mavado, Havik and Hotaru - I do believe that they people were asking for DLC of them. Might be wrong. But then again - Hotaru appears as a corpse in the story mode at the start. Along with Kenshi and Bo Rai Cho. And as far as Fujin is concerned - Someone showed Ed that video and he said: "Ask me in a year if Fujin is in the game." on his Twitter.
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Post by Baron Canier on May 12, 2011 13:02:50 GMT
In terms of Li Mei, Mavado, Havik and Hotaru - I do believe that they people were asking for DLC of them. People can ask all they like. That doesn't guarantee a damn thing. Rain might qualify as an exception due to the sheer volume of whiners, but even then he still trounces the likes of Kai, Mavado and Nitara in terms of design. But then again - Hotaru appears as a corpse in the story mode at the start. Along with Kenshi and Bo Rai Cho. You seem to be forgetting the whole "time travel" thing. We're not that far into the future meaning that all of those characters - be they good or utter, utter crap - are still alive and could potentially be re-introduced into the series. I hope they show restraint in this regard. Lots of restraint. And as far as Fujin is concerned - Someone showed Ed that video and he said: "Ask me in a year if Fujin is in the game." on his Twitter. I...don't really see how that changes anything: they recorded a "FUJIN" voice clip for the announcer. Unless they're being massive trolls, it means Fujin's on the way.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on May 12, 2011 13:20:42 GMT
Yes, Netherrealm Studios are massive trolls. Anything is possible.
And they haven't shown restraint so far. I mean Stryker, Nightwolf and Sheeva are in this game.
I do agree they will probably wont have everyone come back but I can see a lot of those characters coming back and given sparkly new bios so they are near enough completely new anyway.
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Post by Samface on May 12, 2011 14:45:49 GMT
And they haven't shown restraint so far. I mean Stryker, Nightwolf and Sheeva are in this game. I like Nightwolf and Sheeva. Not Stryker though. No-one likes Boxbot Stryker.
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on May 12, 2011 15:11:59 GMT
I do, kind of. As a fighter, Stryker is pretty awesome. As an actual character and member of the whole MK mythos, not so much. But then again, does Johnny Cage really fit in to the MK storyline all that well? I don't think so, but he's proven to be a great fighter.
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Post by Beeth on May 12, 2011 15:19:17 GMT
They've rescued Stryker in recent times, methinks; back when he debuted in MK3 he had a major case of 90s bad dress sense, i.e. backwards cap, awful shirt etc, not to mention he looked relatively unfit compared to other characters. He just didn't fit, severely misjudged. His Armageddon design, while it made him look a bit like a Finnish snowboarder, looked considerably more in line with the rest of the series and brought the character up to scratch.
It's a bit of a shame not many other characters have this rescue potential, though. Though I guess Stryker could be an exception going by how misjudged his initial design was.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on May 12, 2011 16:35:27 GMT
In all honesty I like most of the characters in the MK verse. But if you asked most people who their least favourite characters were. 2 of them would likely come out of that list.
Stryker and Nightwolf were saved in this game. Liu Kang too. Raiden is ruined though.
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Post by Baron Canier on May 12, 2011 16:49:07 GMT
Yes, Netherrealm Studios are massive trolls. Anything is possible. They'd actually pay money for the announcer to say a false name? They'd put themselves out of pocket like that? If so, they're either idiots or masters of trolling. And they haven't shown restraint so far. I mean Stryker, Nightwolf and Sheeva are in this game. The new Mortal Kombat is a retread of the first three games. It makes sense for them to be there (Motaro was only excluded due to the reasons I mentioned before). Furthermore: even the worst of the original trilogy's characters don't fall to the depths of characters like Mavado, Frost, Kobra and Darrius. Stryker's re-imagining for this new Mortal Kombat is itself an achievement, and I don't just mean visually; they successfully depicted him as a likable guy in over his head (what with the whole demon invasion thing) who was just trying to do his job. You could relate to him and he was a decent, upstanding guy. They also managed to depict him as a cop without having him seem out of place or compromising his aesthetic. It's as if this was how the character should've been executed all along. tl;dr Stryker's no longer a blight on the roster. They rebuilt him. By the same token, Nightwolf managed to make the transition from "goofy, out-of-place guy" to "stoic warrior who is more spiritually attuned than the rest of the goodies". He proves to be a pillar of the team. Sheeva's just Sheeva. Like all Shokan she exists to be a roadblock and little else. Liu Kang too. Raiden is ruined though. Yeah, Liu portrayed a surprising amount of character (even outside story mode; I love his cheeky "Show me what you can do" quip). I really liked his interactions with Kitana. His interactions with Kung Lao were also the first time I really thought of those two as a genuine duo rather than being informed "they're friends. Apparently. Take our word for it". Also, those later developments...man, it got grim. Interesting character arc and experimentation. As for Raiden, I'd hardly say he's been "ruined", but the last few games really have been making me think "Aaw, poor Raiden" more than once.
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Post by infamatt on May 13, 2011 0:45:26 GMT
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on May 13, 2011 9:08:42 GMT
That's all well and good, but I wonder how many people will actually want to go back after playing MK '11?
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Post by Samface on May 13, 2011 10:45:29 GMT
Hmm, I might well splash out. I've been wanting to play 2 again for years - I had it on my Mega Drive, and when I was about twelve decided to sell off the console and games. Then I changed my mind and kept it, but I'd already sold 2 by then. Also I have a lot of fondness for UMK3, and though I do own it, due to my Saturn's death I don't currently have any way to play it.
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Post by MentalAnalysis on May 14, 2011 11:30:22 GMT
I doubt I'll get the arcade re-releases, considering that I'm terrible at the old games. Plus, I already got MK3 on Xbox Live.
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Post by Dave on May 16, 2011 6:39:38 GMT
I'm still stuck on Shao Kahn as Raiden, finding it really hard. I really liked playing as Rain in UMK3, the game was so easy for me playing as him. Used to do the projectile move which meant you could move the character towards you, then land a kick. Or if they were further away, I used to do the lightning move until they died. Motaro was easy, I'd just stay close to him and uppercut him. He'd teleport to the otherside and then I'd uppercut him then too. Easy! Why can't Shao Kahn be this easy now!
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on May 16, 2011 8:06:04 GMT
I've completed the ladder with everyone now! YAY! Dave: Distance and teleportation are your friends.
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Post by Balls on May 16, 2011 9:50:42 GMT
Jump over his head, and on the way down, punch and then immediate uppercut, then throw electricity.
Repeat until dead.
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Post by Beeth on May 27, 2011 15:06:39 GMT
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on May 27, 2011 17:17:59 GMT
Awwwwwr! ;D
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Post by Baron Canier on May 27, 2011 20:43:08 GMT
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Post by Dave on May 27, 2011 21:13:10 GMT
[censored]ing challenge tower. [censored]ing Four Arms challenge.
How the [censored] are you meant to beat [censored]ing Sheeva, Goro and Kintaro???
I can beat Sheeva easily, Goro is a [censored]ing pain and I just end up dying. Though I think I might have a strategy for him, I've beaten him 2 or 3 times. Can anyone give me some help on beating Kintaro please?
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Post by Beeth on May 28, 2011 13:28:55 GMT
Have you fought them individually before? This will occur in the Arcade Ladder, and in the story mode every so often. My suggestion is get the practice in that way, set more rounds if you can take them to maximise your practice time and build up a consistent strategy.
I will say I personally find Goro to be a much more level opponent than Kintaro. Latter's a real bugger due to his move where he leaps out and lands on you. You have to be moving a lot to try and avoid this. Go for combos where you can (his flinch cancelling is annoying, but not nearly as frequent as Shao Kahn) and remember to get in a few a lot of sweeps. If you're struggling, getting in consecutive sweeps can be effective. And X-Ray, of course, if you can save it.
Goro isn't quite as difficult, I find. The only thing you need to look out for really is his ground pounding. Practice your jumping, use his charge time as an opportunity to counter. Goro tends to be more vulnerable to combos than Kintaro. Though it depends how the AI behaves at that stage, really, may be a lot more defensive.
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