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Post by Warped‽‽‽ on Apr 29, 2010 18:43:55 GMT
sonicthecomic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=brain&action=display&thread=11012Well, I'm assuming this is the correct troubleshooting thread. Never had to use it until now. Anyway. Locked for some mildly appropriate rule. So here I am, I disagree with the decision. Detailed appropriate reasons for it being locked? - It was separate from the 251 thread to avoid disruption. - It was made on the assumption that the deleted posts in the 251 thread were probably in response to the line of topic of critique. Hence their deletion as you followed out your response. - Had the topic turned nasty and responses somehow related to 251 arose again, I can understand it being locked. That is fair enough. Stopping things before anything happens at all though is just too paranoid. If you expect that little of the forum, then oh dear indeed. On that note however, it is interesting to note the lack of replies. Maybe people were waiting to see Retro's response first, since mine was more of a response to his as opposed to an opening of a topic. Or, it could be that people were deliberately arguing about critique in the 251 thread to cause... Annoyance or disruption? I highly doubt it, but it is interesting nonetheless. Later. Also, if Retro wants to reply to my post, well I guess he'll have to PM me then.
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Post by madhair60 on Apr 29, 2010 19:10:03 GMT
Bear in mind the rules also say -
Read this, then read it again. Then rub your eyes in disbelief and read it a third time.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Apr 30, 2010 17:57:53 GMT
What it means is, if something dodgy happens which isn't covered in the rules, we have to pretty much play it by ear. For example, the Chovi situation - I believe you had to do some forum rebuilding after several people's accounts were hacked?
Warped - we do actually have a general criticism thread somewhere after a very similar discussion as in #251 took place. No idea where it is, though as it was some time ago, possibly years!
I have to say I don't 100% understand what you're disagreeing with here; Retro's comments in the #251 thread, the way it was modded or the locking of the Critique thread?
Perhaps we should discuss it in the Hume Zone, mods?
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Post by Warped‽‽‽ on Apr 30, 2010 19:45:56 GMT
Locking of the thread.
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Post by madhair60 on Apr 30, 2010 19:48:52 GMT
The older criticism thread was locked, presumably due its critical content.
Edit: Thanks to Cal digging the thread up I have discovered it was, in fact, because it was stupid.
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on Apr 30, 2010 21:03:28 GMT
I think Retro's rationale was that it was aimed solely at him and therefore you should have PM'ed him with your concerns instead of making a thread. I might be wrong though.
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Post by madhair60 on Apr 30, 2010 21:27:29 GMT
I suppose we'll have to wait for him.
*Pulls up a chair*
Ah kin wait awl naht.
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Post by Retro on May 1, 2010 20:19:27 GMT
Simple reasoning. As stated in the rules. You do not challenge a moderator's decision by continuing to defy what has been laid down. In this case, the cease the inane arguement about criticism when it had already been defined clearly for everyone to see in the thread.
In this sense, Warped's thread broke a rule in that it continued with aim to discuss said subject. The thread was thus locked.
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Post by Warped‽‽‽ on May 1, 2010 22:23:14 GMT
Oh dear. So basically just because you don't like it, it shouldn't happen. No arguing. Eurgh. Yes, you did decide the conversation should end in that topic, for obvious reasons even. Why across the entire forum though? Who are you to decide what people do and do not discuss, as long as it is not aimed at causing disruption?
Bah. It may seem petty that I'm making a big deal out of a topic that no one replied to, but the principle is a hefty one.
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Post by Nam on May 2, 2010 8:27:09 GMT
Bah. It may seem petty that I'm making a big deal out of a topic that no one replied to, but the principle is a hefty one. I'm sure people would've replied if a lock hadn't have been thrown onto it as quickly as it was. It was fairly obvious that a lot of people had opinions on what is and what isn't acceptable criticism, it's just that we're not allowed to mention it because it recently got heated in another topic, and retro seems to think starting a thread for it is a waste of time, as it would just lead to the exact same flame war. Retro, of course, assuming that an argument in one thread is guaranteed to fly over into any other connected threads, as none of the forum members can be trusted to be mature, so any topic that causes a slight bit of friction is banned forever.
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Post by Balls on May 2, 2010 12:54:30 GMT
Simple reasoning. As stated in the rules. You do not challenge a moderator's decision by continuing to defy what has been laid down. In this case, the cease the inane arguement about criticism when it had already been defined clearly for everyone to see in the thread. ...
Dude.
This is... man, that's just awful. Seriously. Read it. Read it and pretend you're not you and think about it.
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Post by madhair60 on May 4, 2010 9:38:44 GMT
Retro, of course, assuming that an argument in one thread is guaranteed to fly over into any other connected threads, as none of the forum members can be trusted to be mature, so any topic that causes a slight bit of friction is banned forever. Yes! I think it's slightly unfair to single out Retro as doing this (though I understand it is relevant to this specific situation), but yes. There is a distinct lack of mutual respect. As Warped said, it's a hefty principle and I just don't think that's understood enough. Problem is, now that I've mentioned respect I'm sure I'm going to get lots of "pot calling kettle black" responses, ignoring the issue at hand. I note it's been ignored for a while already, presumably because the matter has been declared closed. It's a real shame.
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Post by Warped‽‽‽ on May 4, 2010 20:45:17 GMT
Well, I don't consider it closed. Someone telling me "Well this is why, and that's that, whether you disagree or not" is not closure.
And yes, Nam you are exactly right. I would've replied sooner but kinda wanted to see if there'd be some moderator response first. (Mainly because I didn't want an influx of replies to seem like 'rebellion' or whatever other bizarre things people want to call disagreeing with a decision.) Since there hasn't been much of a response yet, I only hope that it's being discussed, or people are busy. Which is fair enough, of course.
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Post by Sam on May 4, 2010 22:20:27 GMT
I just thought the lack of response was because it was being dealt with in the Trial by Fire place thing that they used to have/do have.
I have nothing to add to this discussion, other than I'm watching how it plays out. I'm merely posting to help pass the time while I wait for some uploads to finish.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on May 6, 2010 17:05:58 GMT
Well, no the Arena of Brute Force is only used in extreme circumstances - and IIRC it hasn't been used for a long time. Certainly not during the time I've had access to it anyway.... Yes we were discussing it in the Hume Zone but a few of us haven't been around much - for example, Pete has started work and has long shifts and I don't have my own Internet access, I have to use the landlord's access for the whole building which includes 20 odd flats and a restaurant - and its often switched off. I must say we had a very similar argument where I work today - someone had major disagreements with the newly appointed team leader, they argued, the team leader retorted and it quickly descended into a really nasty, personal slinging match. Its not a nice atmosphere to work in and it did make me think about some of the discussions we get. Personally, I do not think its a mods job to say "sit down and shut up" because its rude and we're all young adults - but I think everyone, including mods should at least exercise some common sense and not argue things over and over again until it becomes personal.
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Post by Kurai on May 7, 2010 12:01:25 GMT
Just out of curiosity... Who moderates the Hume Zone? God-Mod is what comes to mind.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on May 8, 2010 11:48:28 GMT
I'm atheist - I don't believe in God Mod. ;D
Seriously though - the Hume Zone is only posted in when an issue comes up, its not a general chat forum.
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Post by Beeth on Jun 28, 2010 23:10:28 GMT
To any mod who may read this:
I think I just clicked a "report to mod" button by mistake (flaming touchpad registered a click rather than movement of the mouse). I cancelled it sharpish, I don't think it registered. Hope it didn't. If it has, disregard it, it was a mistake and I apologise.
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Post by Pete on Jun 28, 2010 23:16:42 GMT
To any mod who may read this: I think I just clicked a "report to mod" button by mistake (flaming touchpad registered a click rather than movement of the mouse). I cancelled it sharpish, I don't think it registered. Hope it didn't. If it has, disregard it, it was a mistake and I apologise. To be fair, I don't think that button works. I've certainly never noticed any posts or mention of anyone alerting a mod. If there is any issue (in general, not in this case, obviously), PM a mod. You're guaranteed to get some sort of response.
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Post by Retro on Jun 28, 2010 23:59:44 GMT
That button goes to the main admin account I think. Never seen it used before. Think I'll go check out what it does. Edit - Got Exu to test it with one of my posts. It does indeed send it to all mods and highlights it on the homepage. That is one very handy feature.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jun 29, 2010 10:54:14 GMT
Quick question about the button: Is there a way to get it to show up on Firefox? At present I can only see it if I'm using Internet Explorer.
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Post by madhair60 on Jun 29, 2010 11:06:18 GMT
Works for me. It's under your post, to the left of "Link to Post".
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Post by WinterFlames on Jun 29, 2010 12:54:28 GMT
Ok, I must be going blind to have missed that. :S
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Post by The Shad on Jun 29, 2010 18:32:13 GMT
Question about youtube embeds.
What if the title of a sfw video features a swearword in the title? Can we embed, or just post the link?
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Post by madhair60 on Jul 1, 2010 12:37:46 GMT
Post the link.
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