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Post by Pete on Oct 31, 2013 23:37:16 GMT
IT AIN'T THE RIGHT KINDA [censored]ING BLUE! RUINED FOREVER!
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Post by ShayMay on Nov 1, 2013 0:35:14 GMT
Yeah but my point is you notice these things. I'm utterly clueless when it comes to colour.
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Post by Hades on Nov 6, 2013 7:34:00 GMT
I don't even know what shade of blue Sonic is, I'm a disgrace
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Post by Pete on Nov 6, 2013 17:36:41 GMT
I don't even know what shade of blue Sonic is, I'm a disgrace I'd say a royal blue as a base, with lighter shades to highlight, but that's me.
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Post by Charles on Nov 6, 2013 23:50:39 GMT
Flynn's said he's not allowed to say "Mobius" in the comic anymore.
Uhhh.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 6, 2013 23:52:55 GMT
I don't even know what shade of blue Sonic is, I'm a disgrace I'd say a royal blue as a base, with lighter shades to highlight, but that's me. I used to think cobalt blue, for some reason. *shrug*
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Post by ShayMay on Nov 7, 2013 0:46:29 GMT
Flynn's said he's not allowed to say "Mobius" in the comic anymore. Uhhh. [censored]'s sake, really? See, this is what's absolutely baffling to me about Sonic, right. Back in the '90s Sega quite obviously didn't give a flying [censored] about what happened with him. They just [censored]d him right out to everyone, and hell with the consequences. When it came to reining it in and taking control of their property (which they absolutely should have done), why did they insist on taking the least popular routes? I mean, he's never been that popular in Japan! Why has Mobius been completely ditched? Similarly, Eggman. I know it's a dead horse, but seriously, go back to 1998. Why would you EVER rename Robotnik? It's not like Sonic was a minor or inconsequential franchise: he was really freakin' popular even at that point. Why would you change the name of an inarguably famous character like that? I mean, nowadays, it's fine. He's been Eggman for years, I'm used to it, and I like it now. Had he always been called Eggman I wouldn't have given it a second thought. I just think it's mad that they would actively go "right, most of our audience knows him as Robotnik and that Sonic lives on Mobius, let's change that so that it caters to the minority". I dunno, that does hack me off. I do like the idea of streamlining everything and making the comic feel more in-line with the video games but at the same time it's quite disappointing seeing Sega stamp out continuity entirely. I reckon if they were to explicitly mention Mobius in the next game the reception would be nothing but positive.
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Nov 7, 2013 9:08:25 GMT
[censored]'s sake, really? See, this is what's absolutely baffling to me about Sonic, right. Back in the '90s Sega quite obviously didn't give a flying [censored] about what happened with him. They just [censored]d him right out to everyone, and hell with the consequences. When it came to reining it in and taking control of their property (which they absolutely should have done), why did they insist on taking the least popular routes? I mean, he's never been that popular in Japan! Why has Mobius been completely ditched? Similarly, Eggman. I know it's a dead horse, but seriously, go back to 1998. Why would you EVER rename Robotnik? It's not like Sonic was a minor or inconsequential franchise: he was really freakin' popular even at that point. Why would you change the name of an inarguably famous character like that? I mean, nowadays, it's fine. He's been Eggman for years, I'm used to it, and I like it now. Had he always been called Eggman I wouldn't have given it a second thought. I just think it's mad that they would actively go "right, most of our audience knows him as Robotnik and that Sonic lives on Mobius, let's change that so that it caters to the minority". I dunno, that does hack me off. I do like the idea of streamlining everything and making the comic feel more in-line with the video games but at the same time it's quite disappointing seeing Sega stamp out continuity entirely. I reckon if they were to explicitly mention Mobius in the next game the reception would be nothing but positive. Agreed! Instead of forcing Archie to drop "Mobius", Sega should start using it themselves rather than keep avoiding giving Sonic's world a proper name. I mean, most fans here and in the US think of the world as "Mobius" anyway thanks to the comics and cartoons, so why don't the Japanese do the same? Hell, they could even call it Earth or Planet [censored]ing Freedom for all I care, at least they'd have decided on an official name rather than just "Sonic's world". *grumbles* On a side note, I've noticed the games have started using the term "Badnik" to describe Eggman's robots. Kind of ironic since they don't use the name "Robotnik" any more, but whatever.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 7, 2013 11:54:27 GMT
Yeah.
This is just baffling, to be honest. Most fans of Sonic have always know his home planet to be Mobius. Apart from Sonic X fans, I guess... where I think they didn't name Sonic's planet at all.
I remember when I first saw Sonic Adventure, with all the cities and people and I thought "what the [censored] is this? Where are all the hills and small cuddly animals?" I mean, it's pretty obvious it's meant to be Earth... but still, in the comics it's always been abundantly clear that the planet they live on is Mobius... and in Archie's case, it's Earth horrendously mutated by space aliens. Whatever. Still Mobius.
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Post by Charles on Nov 7, 2013 13:43:49 GMT
It would make more sense if Sega was saying "IT'S NOW EARTH - FOREVER" but "Sonic's world"? Your act of corporate synergy is to call it nothing?
(The weird thing with Eggman/Robotnik is they started with "his real name is Robotnik but everyone calls him Eggman to be rude", but then Robotnik calls himself Eggman too.)
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Post by Adamis on Nov 7, 2013 15:49:56 GMT
The worst thing is that Penders now want to use that name for his project.
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Post by Hades on Nov 7, 2013 17:02:36 GMT
Definitely eyebrow raising. I never had a problem with the name Eggman. My interpretation of it was that Sonic and co started calling him that to annoy him, and he ended up liking it. Why? Obvious. Beatles fanboy.
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Post by modochi on Nov 7, 2013 19:21:39 GMT
I didn't think a name could ever mean that much.
Maybe its just because I didn't grow up with the cartoons or comics first that it doesn't matter that much to me. I always just viewed it as a cartoon version of Earth in my mind, but even I can't deny how jarring it was to see humans in Sonic adventure and no Fuzz balls outside of the playable cast.
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Post by ShayMay on Nov 7, 2013 20:05:38 GMT
Without going into semiotics, the name doesn't really mean all that much. Had they called it "Beanworld" from the beginning I'd be fine as it'd always have been "Beanworld" to me. The problem is that when you're doing a franchise it's not generally all that clever to just be changing names around halfway through it. For example, if Gotham City were suddenly to be called "Darkhouse City", it would be confusing and annoying. Or Mario's arch-nemesis was suddenly to become "King Turtle".
It's not really what they change the name to; it's the fact that it's been changed at all that sticks in my craw.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 7, 2013 21:42:55 GMT
Totally agree. If the name Mobius was horribly offensive in another language I would understand, like the renaming of Laputa: the Flying Island to Castle in the Sky... but this just seems nonsensical to me.
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Post by Badly-Drawn Manchild on Nov 7, 2013 21:46:08 GMT
I remember playing through Sonic Adventure and wondering why Sonic's world was full of smegging humans. I always felt it was so clumsy and robbed the Sonic series of something that I couldn't put my finger on. This problem got more exacerbated as the series went on and they started playing a larger role. Having "Eggman" be the name Sonic used to annoy Robotnik was actually an amusing idea, but then he went and started using it as his real name, and everything turned to crap.
When I hear the purists jump to Sega's defence, going on about "Oh, that's how it always was in Japan" and such, I just have to say that I don't smegging care; I still think those names and locations are bloody stupid, and the news that now even the Archie series is forced to abandon the whole Mobius setting is even more aggravating. Why change what's become so familiar to Western viewers? As Shay pointed out, the series has never been that popular in Japan, so why use the continuity that only a minority are familiar with?
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Post by Smithy on Nov 7, 2013 21:52:58 GMT
The weird thing with Eggman/Robotnik is they started with "his real name is Robotnik but everyone calls him Eggman to be rude", but then Robotnik calls himself Eggman too. It's called reappropriation you hate-criminal!
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Post by Charles on Nov 8, 2013 0:20:55 GMT
All he's doing is perpetuating stereotypes and slurs against bald fat guys!
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Post by modochi on Nov 8, 2013 20:58:10 GMT
Why change what's become so familiar to Western viewers? As Shay pointed out, the series has never been that popular in Japan, so why use the continuity that only a minority are familiar with? To answer that you just need to take a good hard look at just what the games, comics and cartoons have given us in these 22 years. The games gave us two different canons by having the Master System/Game gear games take place solely on South island with only six emeralds while the genesis games gave us seven emeralds, a master emerald and a whole world. AOSTH gave us a purely wacky world for Sonic, Satam a very dark grim world, Archie made another dark grim world with trucksloads of romance sub plots while Underground tried to make it both dark and wacky. Sonic X made yet another canon for Sonic with aliens and two different worlds. Then we have Sonic the Comic with its own canon. That's a total of eight different canons for one franchise and I'm not even counting the Japanese mangas and other European comics here. All of these products has their own fans, some of who hates all the other settings for being "wrong". It's no wonder SEGA have decided to streamline the whole thing and make the entire Sonic Franchise follow the their own set canon to limit any confusion from new fans/buyers. And since SEGA of Japan is in charge of the overall world corporation, they got the last say when it came to what should be followed. You can also just blame the Archie/Pender's lawsuit for making SEGA annoyed enough to make everything confirm to their whims to limit the chance of getting sued again.
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Post by Charles on Nov 9, 2013 0:00:13 GMT
That all said, the majority of those canons say "Robotnik" and "Mobius". If you were going to streamline, you'd surely take the things most of the audience accepts as 'right'.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Nov 9, 2013 22:30:59 GMT
Yeah but ultimately: [censored] you, I'm Japan.
Sorry but that's how it is. I mean didn't Naka or Iizuka ask SoS one year if they had heard of the Western Sonic orgins? And they were shocked when everyone said yes.
I think Sega have realised that they might have gone too harsh with it and relented. (Chilli Dogs in Unleashed, That bit in Generations)
Thinking about it I'm surprised that they didn't go with the OVA's universe really.
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Post by RedDevilDazzy on Nov 9, 2013 23:10:48 GMT
I've always prefered Robotnik than Eggman.
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Nov 10, 2013 12:00:01 GMT
Thinking about it I'm surprised that they didn't go with the OVA's universe really. According to my calculations, they conquered Planet Freedom.
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Post by RedDevilDazzy on Dec 6, 2013 23:09:33 GMT
I read Issue 255 tonight, something's strange about the art. Have Sonic and co grow a few inches, they look much taller than the last issue. Possible Genesis Wave after effect, or just a different artist? I'll go for the latter. Sorry for nitpicking, I like Bunnie's new design though, looks cool..
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Dec 7, 2013 13:56:05 GMT
I don't. Bunnie's new bionic limbs look kind of flimsy compared to the previous design. I liked her jacket and long hair too. I'm gonna miss those.
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