JJ
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Post by JJ on Jul 5, 2008 20:39:28 GMT
Yeah I know, I mean before then.
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Post by MentalAnalysis on Jul 6, 2008 0:03:52 GMT
I all honesty, I really don't think its a smart move to have this big saga with constant cliffhangers when the process of making an Issue is 3-4 months and what we get for the wait are 3 short stories which also contain cliffhangers. People tend to stop caring about "what happens next" when the wait is over the patience meter of over a month.
I understand how everyone has lives and better things to do but commitment really is something that's been lacking since last year.
making a 7-8 page comic only takes about a month in my experience and seeing as there was 3 separate artists and writers for each story, something has gone downhill or incredibly lazy.
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Post by Exu on Jul 6, 2008 0:11:29 GMT
You're invited to draw, if you think you can keep up. Come up with a seven or eight page comic, fully coloured, and if you're up to it then you're on the payroll. Which, I remind you, is nothing.
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Post by Retro on Jul 6, 2008 0:13:27 GMT
Also keep in mind many of us are trying to draw/colour these while simultaneously doing University degrees of all levels, including Masters for one artist, holding down jobs in tough industries (one artist in the games industry) and a myriad of other things.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jul 6, 2008 0:19:56 GMT
it's always taken much longer than that (turnaround on a seven-pager is typically a year, given that the artist is doing it for free in their spare time with no hope of renumeration). anyway there have been all sorts of measures to limit the extent of this - this Sonic story runs for only four issues (so shouldn't outlast the year), with a different artist on each episode (the remaining two parts are nearly finished).
criticise the work all you like but don't knock their output - just be grateful you're getting anything at all.
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Post by Charles on Jul 6, 2008 0:20:50 GMT
I all honesty, I really don't think its a smart move to have this big saga with constant cliffhangers when the process of making an Issue is 3-4 months and what we get for the wait are 3 short stories which also contain cliffhangers. Between the Shadow 7-parter and the current story, we did nothing but short one-off Sonic strips (and one two-parter). I remember some people complained because it wasn't big and saga-ish and there wasn't a big arc! Last year had more issues than the year preceeding it, and met most of the Next Issue deadlines. Why are you singling out last year specifically? You have drawn, inked and coloured seven pages in a month in your spare time, while doing either degrees or a full-time job? That's impressive if so, you got any samples of work? (As a side note, Adamis has done that on several occassions, and less than a month sometimes too IIRC. I don't know how he manages it, but that's why he keeps turning up on so many strips. How's he not been hired professionally?!)
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Post by MentalAnalysis on Jul 6, 2008 1:42:58 GMT
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Post by Charles on Jul 6, 2008 1:50:57 GMT
I was really a thing I had to do for college So you weren't drawing the pages only in your spare time around a degree/job, you were doing assigned academic work? Hardly the same thing.
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Post by Retro on Jul 6, 2008 1:53:59 GMT
That's you doing that for college. Thus that had a large degree of attention above all else. It was for a purpose. Not around massive projects of animation/art that require your full attention and leaving only the odd half hour to an hour a day to work on a comic for a free online issue.
However, that is some nice work you've put in that comic. Criticism flying each way here aside, no reason to knock artwork. Good job.
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Ed
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Post by Ed on Jul 6, 2008 1:57:27 GMT
Re: "Batman" and similar comments/criticisms. There's a similarity in that they're both vigilantes I guess. But this all seems consistent with the original. Sonic collared Grouchio with much less provocation in #114; the Metropolis homeless were already finding life was worse post-RBR in #116; we saw Sonic in a world where his heroics were unwelcome in #153; and Sonic's public profile has been inflated for effect several times, but #78 is a big one. As for darkness, how quickly we forget two characters had breakdowns (#76 and #177) and two characters were suicidal (Knuckles in #178, Robotnik in #183). Plus, he's a jerk to start with ("pixel brain"). Feels like we have good precedent.
But I also wanted STC Online not to be afraid to shake things up. What a betrayal of the spirit of the original it would be to just do nice, safe stories, dialling characters back to where they've already been. I remember when #176 came out some people argued that Nigel was wrong to have killed Johnny. So yeah, you might say Sonic's losing it a bit. I think (hope) you can see why -- and see it as a logical consequence of a quite insecure character who covers with a large ego being suddenly distrusted if not hated.
That's not to say the critics are wrong, by the way. I'm more critical of my own stuff than almost anyone else. Lots of the points raised I'd agree with. But that's perfectly fine with me. I'd rather fail through overambition than succeed through playing it safe.
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Post by MentalAnalysis on Jul 6, 2008 3:05:08 GMT
That's you doing that for college. Thus that had a large degree of attention above all else. It was for a purpose. Not around massive projects of animation/art that require your full attention and leaving only the odd half hour to an hour a day to work on a comic for a free online issue. However, that is some nice work you've put in that comic. Criticism flying each way here aside, no reason to knock artwork. Good job. thank you for the feedback on my work . Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the free issues that you and the rest of the crew manage to produce so far as well as all aspects of online comics. I just felt that more can be added.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jul 6, 2008 10:02:23 GMT
That work isn't of publishable standard either. It's sketchbook quality, good sketching, but sketching nonetheless.
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Post by MentalAnalysis on Jul 6, 2008 11:13:35 GMT
That work isn't of publishable standard either. It's sketchbook quality, good sketching, but sketching nonetheless. it was because I messed up the size and contrast quality when scanning.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jul 6, 2008 12:02:57 GMT
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jul 6, 2008 19:58:15 GMT
Hence, the 'fat cat' line was supposed to be a double entendre, originally. It still works fine, though. And I'm used to the wolf now. Bad Wolf, lol. OMFG DALEKS IN THE EMERALD HILL ZONE!! D: Nah, I'm going to say what you already have but I hope that from a reader it is an encouraging comment: the "fat cat" line worked anyway, thats essentially what Kane is. Anyways: MentalMyles. I don't contribute to the comic but I will defend these people until the end. They do this for free alongside their already busy lives. What you are talking about is something completely different. I hate to sound like a [censored] but be [censored]ing grateful they bother to do this! If you think you can do better, start your own fan comic! There's plenty of them!
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Post by Knuckles on Jul 7, 2008 3:20:59 GMT
Hence, the 'fat cat' line was supposed to be a double entendre, originally. It still works fine, though. And I'm used to the wolf now. Bad Wolf, lol. OMFG DALEKS IN THE EMERALD HILL ZONE!! D: Nah, I'm going to say what you already have but I hope that from a reader it is an encouraging comment: the "fat cat" line worked anyway, thats essentially what Kane is. Anyways: MentalMyles. I don't contribute to the comic but I will defend these people until the end. They do this for free alongside their already busy lives. What you are talking about is something completely different. I hate to sound like a [censored] but be [censored]ing grateful they bother to do this! If you think you can do better, start your own fan comic! There's plenty of them! There is? What the [censored] am I hanging round here for then? I thought the Sonic story was ace to be fair and I'm really liking the Sonic smear campaign. It's something new. Sonic's ego was always his downfall in STC and STC-O are taking it one step further. Have to agree to not liking the family though. Maybe when I see their grander plans I'll come around. Funny feeling Robotnik's behind it all Never read the Rouge story so can't comment. All the same, I want to know about Knuckles! That's just poor IMO. Leaving a plot thread hanging to start a new story. I was raging when After The Fall (Angel Season 6) did that. I thought it was a poor decision by the people in charge. It's alright if the stories are more regular than a month but with this being a two parter it's gonna be two months now before the Knuckles story is continued. I dunno if you did it because the Knuckles story wasn't completed on time but I find it bad form to start a new story when you have a major part of STC-O history hanging. Shortfuse story was IMO pretty poor. The first part was set up so nicely as well... had a nice cliffhanger though. Now... I just wanna take the time to say how much I appreciate what you guys do. It's stellar work, it really is. I haven't and won't like every issue/strip but I respect the effort that's gone into it nonetheless. Well done guys. Keep it up.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jul 7, 2008 10:54:18 GMT
The Knuckles story will see publication when it's ready, whenever it's ready. It hasn't been replaced by anything. It was made pretty clear that the final part would not see print in this issue.
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Post by madhair60 on Jul 7, 2008 11:22:48 GMT
That work isn't of publishable standard either. Neither is STCO
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Post by Knuckles on Jul 7, 2008 15:13:51 GMT
That work isn't of publishable standard either. Neither is STCO While it's not Richard Elson standard art, it's not too shabby to be fair. I think it's braw, and for a free monthly web comic it's a bit more than immense. Where as the work Myles put out, while good is not of the same standard as the art STC-O artists produce every month
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Post by Nam on Jul 7, 2008 15:18:47 GMT
While it's not Richard Elson standard art, it's not too shabby to be fair. I think it's braw, and for a free monthly web comic it's a bit more than immense. Where as the work Myles put out, while good is not of the same standard as the art STC-O artists produce every month STC-O's every month now?
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jul 7, 2008 15:19:04 GMT
There is? What the [censored] am I hanging round here for then? . I was referring to stuff like Chaos Diamonds rather than just STC stuff but I am sure Deviant Art also has its fair share of fanfics. Anyways I was really angry there so I'm sorry but I won't stand idly and see a complaint about an ongoing project that is done to a pretty high standard, in the writers' and artists' spare time. No offence to Myles, the stuff you posted is good but its not the same quality as STCO and you said that was when you paid full attention to it.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jul 7, 2008 15:31:08 GMT
STC-O's every month now? Work is produced every month, even if it isn't published
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Post by Tom on Jul 7, 2008 15:37:11 GMT
That work isn't of publishable standard either. Neither is STCO I scratch my head every time you post something like this when I notice you're a moderator. While it's reasonable for you to criticise STC Online, the way you do it is unnecessarily hostile. I can't help but feel that something went wrong along the way with your tenure as mod. And while you're at it, take off those rose-tinted spectacles. There was some truly atrocious artwork in STC to go with all the great stuff. I think the latest stuff that Zak, Smithy and Adamis are doing hold up extremely favourably against that early Elson material.
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Post by The Shad on Jul 7, 2008 16:33:09 GMT
I was referring to stuff like Chaos Diamonds rather than just STC stuff Yes, but Chaos Diamonds is horrible. Lovely art, though.
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Smithy
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Post by Smithy on Jul 8, 2008 11:15:31 GMT
In case you were wondering it takes me roughly five times longer to do a page of Vichama than it does to draw a regular page. It hardly seems fair to hold up the rest of everyone's strips while I fanny about.
Part four is also extra long.
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