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Post by madhair60 on Sept 6, 2010 10:43:53 GMT
You're not a mod, Nam.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions, though. Thanks also for misrepresenting my posts, lying, mendaciously twisting my words and making out that I'm in the wrong because I complain about what I find injust.
There was originally a fairly lengthy explanation of all the lies in your reply, but it inexplicably disappeared. I'd have rewritten it, but there's no point really, it's all a pointless waste of time and you're probably right that I shouldn't care. Principles are for [censored]s anyway, right? [censored] me for thinking that changing the meaning of several of my posts is in some way annoying. Any new members seeing "that phrase I always say" and going "huh?" can just suck it, frankly. Why should they be allowed to read what I wrote, and why should I be allowed to say what I want (within the borders of obscenity)?
I don't care about the filter any more to be honest, more this "whinger" thing. Gosh but I do dislike this "hurr hurr, he's opposed to unfair/unjust things, what a whinger" mentality.
Edit: You know, I'm perfectly willing to drop this and discuss it on MSN or something, in a civil manner, because it would be lovely if we could just muscle through all this bull[censored] - on both sides - because I seriously don't have any problem with you, or any of you, off the forum. I do moan a lot, you're right about that, but I feel like my complaints are justified, and there's probably a nice middleground. I wouldn't mind chatting with the mods or something about this, but I'm not sure they're interested.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 6, 2010 17:19:31 GMT
The actual change was a humorous jape, based solely on subverting your consistent and predictable use of "That phrase I always say". It's hardly like this is the first time the mods have played a practical joke with mod powers for a bit of a laugh. Nam, I am really, really sorry I do not mean this in a nasty way but please do not speak for the mods or post in such a way that it looks like you are. I am sure you know Cal's decisions about the forum but speaking for her, whether this was the intention or not, is obviously causing some friction and perhaps some misunderstanding. Stu, I was not around on the forum when this decision was made so I'm not entirely sure what was going on when it happened... I'll bring it up with the others, if there isn't a topic about it already, from when it was filtered.
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Post by Warped‽‽‽ on Sept 6, 2010 18:03:36 GMT
...I can express my apathy in other ways The actual change was a humorous jape, based solely on subverting your consistent and predictable use of "That phrase I always say". It's hardly like this is the first time the mods have played a practical joke with mod powers for a bit of a laugh. I spent two weeks as a banned member for this thread and I graciously took it as a bit of a laugh, even if it was at my expense. I think the difference is that you made a joke at the mods' expense first - it was playful recompense in line with joke you'd already made. This, not so much. Simply because although someone has assumed it to be a joke, and has dealt with it in a similar way, does not mean it was a joke. Questions forum principle of free speech, or whatever. It isn't like this hasn't come up before to be honest. In that same vein though, I think the internet (and more pointedly, this forum) isn't the place to start defending principles like these. It doesn't work. In general, someone always misses the point and a disagreement starts. Waiting for someone to claim I have missed the point already.
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Post by Nam on Sept 6, 2010 18:13:51 GMT
The actual change was a humorous jape, based solely on subverting your consistent and predictable use of "That phrase I always say". It's hardly like this is the first time the mods have played a practical joke with mod powers for a bit of a laugh. Nam, I am really, really sorry I do not mean this in a nasty way but please do not speak for the mods or post in such a way that it looks like you are. I am sure you know Cal's decisions about the forum but speaking for her, whether this was the intention or not, is obviously causing some friction and perhaps some misunderstanding. Hai, Yeah, actually I put her up to it, it wasn't all her decision, it was my pestering. Everybody lately seems to think that everything is concerned with me just backing her up, nobody lately seems to think that actually I do things for myself, or because I wanted them done. I wasn't actually speaking for her, I was speaking for myself with my opinions. Surprisingly I actually do have opinions of my own y'know ¬¬
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 6, 2010 19:05:46 GMT
Everybody lately seems to think that everything is concerned with me just backing her up, nobody lately seems to think that actually I do things for myself, or because I wanted them done. When you say "everybody", do you mean... like one person? Or two people? Do you see how circumstances may lead to this conclusion? I'm not saying I think that, but it's possible to create the appearance that it may be the case, without it actually being the case. Me too, and I'd like to express them without being considered an irritant.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 6, 2010 20:29:03 GMT
Nam, I am really, really sorry I do not mean this in a nasty way but please do not speak for the mods or post in such a way that it looks like you are. I am sure you know Cal's decisions about the forum but speaking for her, whether this was the intention or not, is obviously causing some friction and perhaps some misunderstanding. Hai, Yeah, actually I put her up to it, it wasn't all her decision, it was my pestering. Everybody lately seems to think that everything is concerned with me just backing her up, nobody lately seems to think that actually I do things for myself, or because I wanted them done. I wasn't actually speaking for her, I was speaking for myself with my opinions. Surprisingly I actually do have opinions of my own y'know ¬¬ Even so, you are giving an explanation about something which is not in your jurisdiction, which will get peoples backs up if you either get it wrong or right. We're trying to shake this whole nonsense about the mods being all BBFy and treating people differently depending on who our friends are. Your post up their implies you knew what was going on, and therefore you assumed you could give reasons as to why a moderator took action. Like I say, regardless of whether this was the intention, it comes off like that. Please do not do it. Its for a mod to explain their actions, not you. Edit: the more I see the posts here, the more I think this thread is a bad idea.
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 7, 2010 17:20:37 GMT
Seems like a good idea to me. Keep it all in one place.
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Post by Balls on Sept 7, 2010 21:33:34 GMT
Cal is the mod, not Nam.
If Nam is basically moderating through Cal and Cal allows it to go on, then Cal should no longer be a moderator.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 7, 2010 22:13:42 GMT
What Cal/Nam did wasn't moderating.
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Post by Retro on Sept 7, 2010 22:19:57 GMT
Cal is the mod, not Nam.
If Nam is basically moderating through Cal and Cal allows it to go on, then Cal should no longer be a moderator. The original thing was a joke, nothing that hasn't been seen before. Either way thats a separate thing that was resolved. However, I can say for absolute sure, Nam does not mod through Cal. He doesn't tell her what to post, she doesn't tell him what to post. The fact that they live together does not affect her moderating duties.
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Post by Pinchetel on Sept 7, 2010 22:19:58 GMT
Sorry to be a bother, but can I ask when those avatars I made a while back are going to be uploaded? Just curious...
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Post by Nam on Sept 7, 2010 22:33:58 GMT
Cal is the mod, not Nam.
If Nam is basically moderating through Cal and Cal allows it to go on, then Cal should no longer be a moderator. The original thing was a joke, nothing that hasn't been seen before. Either way thats a separate thing that was resolved. However, I can say for absolute sure, Nam does not mod through Cal. He doesn't tell her what to post, she doesn't tell him what to post. The fact that they live together does not affect her moderating duties. I can't believe I have to say this, but Retro's right. I'll say it here publically, I have input into moderating insofar as everyone else does. I can make suggestions, I can comment and observe the state of the forum, I can register complaints with members, and I can bring problems with people's attention, just like everybody else can. By extension of living with Cal, I do hear of problems. I have been involved in private discussions with Cal when she's spent half the night tearing her hair out because everybodies up in a tizzy over a whole bowl of nothing, but the decisions she comes to are hers, and I really have [censored] all input beyond advising when asked. Any input I make there is solely that anybody else on MSN would have. As far as me doing mod stuff, I don't do anything. I don't get to read the Hume Zone, I don't discuss with people who should be banned and how long (believe me, I'd've banned people long ago if I could). I have exactly the same input into how this forum is run as Stu does, in that he has an influential mouth, and an audience who'll sometimes listen. I said previously this was a joke that was my suggestion. If I am guilty of one thing it's suggesting a joke which has clearly gone down worse than a blind hobo would. I don't believe I'm the first person to have suggested something to a mod and had them decide it's worth doing, and it certainly won't be the last, and the fact that I live with Cal shouldn't be any sort of factor as I don't have any additional abilities, no influence beyond the people the other mods talk to about these things (which I'm sure they do). Lets face it, I've lived with Cal for over 14 months now, and have been seeing her over two years. This is the first "issue" (and it's more of a misunerstanding than anything) anybody's ever had with her being a mod while I'm with her, and I don't think anyone could subjectively look at this situation and decide I was abusing her powers. Oh and get over yourselves, seriously, if I was going to influence Cal into doing anything it'd be having a [censored]ing threesome, not pissing about with the swear filter. Nobody on here is that important, bar maybe Stiv, who should totally be ready to enjoy an orgy any day now...
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Post by Balls on Sept 7, 2010 23:48:02 GMT
By extension of living with Cal, I do hear of problems. I have been involved in private discussions with Cal when she's spent half the night tearing her hair out because everybodies up in a tizzy over a whole bowl of nothing, but the decisions she comes to are hers, and I really have [censored] all input beyond advising when asked. Any input I make there is solely that anybody else on MSN would have. Is this forum really that big a deal in your lives?
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Post by Retro on Sept 8, 2010 0:18:01 GMT
Thats just a flame bait right there. If you wanted to discuss or reply, I'd have been fine with that. But just trying to get a rise out of Nam isn't called for at all.
Drop the flame baiting now.
It's also worth stating here to others to not respond to Mitch's post either.
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Post by Balls on Sept 8, 2010 1:43:45 GMT
Thats just a flame bait right there. If you wanted to discuss or reply, I'd have been fine with that. But just trying to get a rise out of Nam isn't called for at all. Drop the flame baiting now. It's also worth stating here to others to not respond to Mitch's post either. Fine, then allow me to reiterate at least.
I'm not making fun of the notion, nor am I having a go. It's just that... well, it's just an internet forum. It shouldn't have the kind of power to actually have a massive effect on the lives of its users. I know my posts are rarely liked or agreed with and, in a lot of cases, cause friction (see above), but a lot of it doesn't matter.
I'm not asking anyone to ignore me or anything, especially if they're a moderator, but what I'm saying is that let the importance of conflicts and forum politics remain important in terms of the forum. If it's spilling out into affecting your day-to-day, presumably much larger and complex lives, that's something that should probably be thought about a little. Some more perspective might do you a bit of good.
You were a bit hasty to jump on something that hadn't been expanded, Retro. I wasn't flame baiting and you were a bit quick to jump to that conclusion. Still, I'm partly to blame for not expanding in the first place, but then if I had gone into more detail initially it would have come off as fairly condescending.
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Post by Retro on Sept 8, 2010 2:45:00 GMT
It's worth looking at Nam's post again briefly, he didn't say it was having a massive effect on their lives. He mentioned that on one night Cal was finding things incredibly frustrating to try and sort something out on the forum as her job as a moderator entails. As moderators, it can get very frustrating, but I don't think any of us have ever taken something beyond the computer to any significant extent like you describe.
In short, I think you're exaggerating what he really means with that statement.
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Post by Nam on Sept 8, 2010 7:31:48 GMT
By extension of living with Cal, I do hear of problems. I have been involved in private discussions with Cal when she's spent half the night tearing her hair out because everybodies up in a tizzy over a whole bowl of nothing, but the decisions she comes to are hers, and I really have [censored] all input beyond advising when asked. Any input I make there is solely that anybody else on MSN would have. Is this forum really that big a deal in your lives?Considering how close we both are to some of the forum regulars, I'd say yes actually. I know I speak to some members so frequently that I'd call them my best friends, and I'd be willing to wager Cal's the same if not moreso. The forum itself is a trivial issue, IMO, but some of the members here are very important to us, and thus it's often worth the hassle of sorting conflicts between them and others if it means they're happier. I think for anyone to stick around on any forum for more than a year means it's probably a big deal in some form to there lives. If it had zero effect at all, most people would've got bored when conversations became uninteresting and would've left. The people who are still here after more than three years have either made some very close friends here, or are really really stubborn and stupid when it comes to staying somewhere. Even unpopular members like myself must have some reason for staying or why come here, and if I'm honest I've stuck around for the friends I've got from here. They're what matter. The people. The forum itself isn't a big deal, but if a person on it does get enraged, upset, depressed, or frustrated on the forum then it is a big deal. The forum should be a fun and enjoyable place to visit and discuss stuff IMO, and I don't see why it's weird to make it a big deal when some of your friends are getting angry or annoyed with something somebody who sees it as a place to kill time has gone and done something that's irritated them. 99% of the time this forum isn't worth making a fuss over. 99% of the time the forum's ignored beyond the odd "Just got a text from [member]" when we're not on it. Truth is, 99% of the time when we're not on here, we don't think about the forum. It's just that 1% when someone's caused a [censored]storm that Cal and the mods have to buckle down and get on with sorting it, and I'll lose an evening doing what I might've wanted to so Cal can try to resolve things quickly so our friends can have there problems solved, and there evenings ending less ruined than they would've been if Cal hadn't stepped in and sorted it. I know it's probably not cool to admit that people on a forum matter to you, but meh, I've never been cool, for one I'm posting on a Sonic forum. Might not be close to everyone on here, but this forum's regular members have played a big enough part of my life over the years to make the happiness of some of them a big deal to me at least, and I'd safely assume I'm not the only one, remembering the "These people are awesome" threads from a few years ago... Oh, and because it's still not actually been said anywhere here yet. Stu, Cal, and I all resolved the issues here Monday night, we apologised for all the needless butthurt over a poorly received joke, made up for the passive aggressive posts towards each other, and have considered it water under the bridge. EDIT: Yes I noticed the hypocracy of ending my last post in here with "Nobody here matters that much" and then making a "People are important" speech, here. I hope you'll understand that contextually the last one was me dismissing the idea of influencing a mod as a waste of time, and here I'm actually explaining why sometimes keeping the peace is a good idea. Either way I come across as caring about what this forum thinks of me far too much, and I'm now going to live in a dark cave away from everything hoping this will blow over and be forgotten so I can go back to posting rarely, and looking for a chance to make innuendo of other people's words, as per normal.
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Post by Arch on Sept 8, 2010 11:22:48 GMT
Not that I like wading into something that's been largely needless since the start, but: or are really really stubborn and stupid when it comes to staying somewhere. [/sub][/quote] Excuse me? I've been here for the last 6 years and I haven't made any close friends. I didn't come to a Sonic message board to make close friends, I already have a fair few of those. I respect a lot of people here and rather think some of them are great people. But does that make me stupid for being here this long? Am I stubbornly clinging on to a forum that occasionally proves quite interesting to me, but little more? If I've misinterpreted your post, then I apologise. But if not, who the hell are you to make sweeping generalisations?
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 8, 2010 11:36:18 GMT
You're stupid because you deleted your original account. Heathen!
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Post by Arch on Sept 8, 2010 11:51:20 GMT
You're stupid because you deleted your original account. Heathen! I deleted two.
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 8, 2010 21:53:39 GMT
lol well random
(couldn't resist)
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Post by Beeth on Sept 8, 2010 22:03:23 GMT
Yes, it is indeed hilariously funny and quite unpredictable.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 9, 2010 9:00:22 GMT
lol well random (couldn't resist) I think you need to look up the definition of the word 'random'.
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 10, 2010 11:04:32 GMT
I think you need to look up the definition of someone who gives a crap. But yeah, this whole thing is over now, it's sorted.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 10, 2010 11:26:38 GMT
I've never known anyone who gives more of a crap than you.
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