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Post by Samface on Oct 28, 2010 9:27:24 GMT
First details of Nolan's final Batman film: - It'll be called The Dark Knight Rises
- It won't be shot in 3D
- Neither the Riddler nor the Joker will appear
- Release date: 20th July, 2012
LinkTwo years of idle speculation commencing....NOW
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Oct 28, 2010 9:54:16 GMT
First details of Nolan's final Batman film: - It'll be called The Dark Knight Rises
Ah well, gotta be called something. [/li][li]It won't be shot in 3D[/quote]Yay! No paying extra for a mediocre feature! [/li][li]Neither the Riddler nor the Joker will appear[/quote]Awwwr. [/li][li]Release date: 20th July, 2012 [/li][/ul][/quote]I'll try to contain myself till then.
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Post by Alex on Oct 28, 2010 17:12:21 GMT
Just because it won't be shot in 3D doesn't mean it won't be released in 3D. Frankly, I'd rather it -was- shot in 3D, as the inevitable post-production to make it 3D is never going to be as good as it being shot in 3D. For some reason, Killer Croc is the favourite for at least secondary villain at the moment. Also, they're looking to hire a female lead which has lead to speculation that Catwoman will be showing up.
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Post by Retro on Oct 28, 2010 17:36:43 GMT
I'm personally hoping for Harley Quinn, could logically tie in with the last film's impact on society and introduce a new baddy not yet seen on the big screen.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Oct 28, 2010 21:35:55 GMT
Hooray!
Hooray!
Hoor... oh, well yes the latter would be kinda difficult!
[/li][li]Release date: 20th July, 2012[/quote]
Awwww!! :s
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Post by madhair60 on Oct 29, 2010 10:06:23 GMT
I'm personally hoping for Harley Quinn, could logically tie in with the last film's impact on society and introduce a new baddy not yet seen on the big screen. This is feasible. Plus, Harley is obviously the best Batman character. However, I expect Two-Face. I'll accept any of the following villains: Harley Quinn Poison Ivy Ventriloquist/Scarface (But there's no way) The Clock King Hush Mr Zsasz (Would be awesome if they did it right) Bane (Paired with someone else) Calendar Man Red Hood (this could work in particular)
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Post by The Shad on Oct 29, 2010 10:21:55 GMT
Ventriloquist/Scarface (But there's no way) Not impossible. Just have the Ventriloquist himself relay orders to lower down goons, and occasionally show the dummy. Then, in the finale, have the Dummy start talking and shooting. You'd have to rewrite an extensive part of Bruce's childhood, since "childhood friend" was already filled by Rachel, which would detract from the plot. Why would you need to pair him with anyone? In the comics (and DCAU cartoon) he was smart. Smart enough to deduce Bat's true identity and completely outthink him. Joker Hood or Jason Todd Hood?
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Post by madhair60 on Oct 29, 2010 10:39:09 GMT
Whichever Hood was about 5/6 years ago. So Jason, I expect.
As far as Bane goes, he should be paired with someone because he's kind of a dull character archetype who would work much better as an obstacle.
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Post by The Shad on Oct 29, 2010 11:18:32 GMT
Whichever Hood was about 5/6 years ago. So Jason, I expect. But then the same thing with Hush would happen. You'd have to explain who Todd is, who the Hood was, and all that. I see what you're saying, but that's what made the comic book version so interesting. He SEEMS to be a big, dumb bruiser, but he's quite smart. I'd like to see him as a background bruiser for a main villain, only for it to be revealed that he's the one in charge.
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Post by WinterFlames on Oct 29, 2010 11:44:33 GMT
Mr Zsasz (Would be awesome if they did it right) An interesting possibility, they did already set him up in Batman Begins with a minor role, as Crane had him committed to Arkham instead of being sent to prison. He was the creepy guy who attacked Rachel and the little kid towards the end of the movie, but he seemed relatively scarless throughout his minor appearances. According to the wiki promotional stuff for The Dark Knight has him apparently still at large.
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Post by Baron Canier on Oct 29, 2010 11:55:14 GMT
Mr Zsasz (Would be awesome if they did it right) They did him already; he had a minor role in Begins. Somewhat gutted about Riddler not making the cut, since I was looking forward to a nice representation of how the character has developed. Sure, he's still a bit naff, but he'd have been perfect for creating a complex crime conspiracy caper. Also, think of the teaser material we'll miss out on! They could've done a lot with question mark and jigsaw imagery. Ah, well. So, this means we have to fall back on other, less likely, suggestions for villains who still fit the theme of a Batman on the defensive. Hugo Strange, perhaps? Most people pegged him as an external investigator brought in to lead the hunt for Bats. Is the Penguin still ruled out? Harley would be interesting in regards to how the Joker's example impacted on society. It'd be interesting - and potentially unnerving - to see how the character functions with an absent Joker, but retaining her obsessive behaviour. Bane could work quite easily with a little tweaking. People just need to discard the "Big equals dumb" assumption and have him simply be a foreign mob boss who attempts to fill the mafia void left in the wake of TDK. It could be especially creepy if no one knows his name (as is the case in the comics) and someone this cunning and dangerous just popped up from nowhere. He's built like a house, he likes fine suits, he deals drugs of all sorts and he's quite calm...right up until he's not. Venom could factor in (toned down, obviously) by just having him slap a few patches on before a climactic fight with Batman. There were amusing suggestions a while back about the less-intimidating Batman rouges (Clock King, Crazy Quilt etc.): have them be inept criminals who think "Well, that guy had a gimmick. I could have one too! Better than a damn clown!", then spend the first five minutes of the film having Batman whallop them in quick succession. They're the unimpressive "better class of criminal". Interesting if they do take the Catwoman route, since most live-action depictions of her tend to fall a bit flat. On a final note: Dark Knight Rises? Bit of a weak title.
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Post by madhair60 on Oct 29, 2010 12:11:38 GMT
HANNIBAL DID IT
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Oct 29, 2010 12:13:42 GMT
I knew it wouldn't be Riddler. Personally, I'd like to see Harley, although I get the feeling that this was probably the plan before Ledger's death, so that we could see the Joker indoctrinating her. I think that would have been more effective than having it off-screen. I'd quite like to see Bane too. Done right.
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Post by Baron Canier on Oct 29, 2010 12:17:20 GMT
Personally, I'd like to see Harley, although I get the feeling that this was probably the plan before Ledger's death, so that we could see the Joker indoctrinating her. I think that would have been more effective than having it off-screen. I'm under the impression that movie Harley won't have met the Joker at all. She'll simply be "inspired" by his actions during TDK and try to carry on a peverse legacy independently. Maybe she keeps newspaper clippings of him or something, that kind of thing.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Oct 29, 2010 12:28:21 GMT
Well, I suppose that would get around the need for the Joker. I was just going off what I'd read after Ledger's death about the original plan being for him to reprise his role for the third film. I'd be fine with it working out the way you describe, but I think the two of them having some kind of exchange would, in an ideal world, have been better.
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Oct 29, 2010 13:02:07 GMT
I'll accept any of the following villains: Harley Quinn She certainly seems to be the most popular choice, but without the Joker I don't see much point of having her in. I can't see Ivy appearing since she's a metahuman, and Nolan's Batman has been less "out there" than other comic films. Oh, I don't know. It could be done, I reckon there's potential. I can see this working so long as dear Mr. Fugate doesn't have those silly clock hands in his glasses. And absolutely no time-control devices. Could be done, but yes, the character would need re-writing a bit since Rachel filled the 'childhood friend' role. Given the degree of violence that's associated with Zsasz, I don't see him happening. If he kills anyone, they'd need to show him cutting himself afterwards, can they even do that in a 12-rated film? What Shad said. Really!? It might possibly work so long as it's neither the Joker or Jason Todd, but it would probably only be a minor role. I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing Black Mask as the main villain in this one. He's brutal, cunning, and has a score to settle with Bruce Wayne (Wayne sunk Mask's own company, according to the comics), so I reckon he'd work pretty well. In regards to the female lead thing, I reckon if it's any villain, it will be either Lady Shiva or Talia al Ghul.
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Post by madhair60 on Oct 29, 2010 13:18:32 GMT
no, it will be someone people have actually heard of for obvious merchandising reasons
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Post by Balls on Oct 29, 2010 14:12:04 GMT
no, it will be someone people have actually heard of for obvious merchandising reasons Catwoman confirmed.
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Post by Pitt on Oct 29, 2010 14:14:09 GMT
Clock King would be entertaining, but only if he was the cartoon version. The guy in spandex decorated with clocks and the giant clock mask probably wasn't as remarkable.
As noted, it'd have to be someone recognisable. You can't really have Clayface, though, because there don't seem to be any super powers in this series. You could have the Penguin, but he'd probably end up being too similar to Danny DeVito (that is to say, a deformed maniac rather than a funny looking guy in a tuxedo). Not sure about Poison Ivy.
R'as al Ghul is still alive after the first film, isn't he? Harley Quinn would also be good.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Oct 29, 2010 14:17:42 GMT
I think Talia could work, given what Nolan's said about 'finishing the story'.
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Post by Alex on Oct 29, 2010 14:59:28 GMT
R'as al Ghul is still alive after the first film, isn't he? Harley Quinn would also be good. Didn't he kinda die in a big ball of train explodey fire?
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Oct 29, 2010 15:01:33 GMT
Poison Ivy could happen in Nolan-verse. Especially in these corpse digging, used sanitary towel + plus I HAVE HIV note times.
To be honest I am surprise there hasn't been as much name dropping in the Batman films as there has been in say Spiderman.
I had heard that Ramirez from Dark Knight was going to be Montoya but the producers thought better of it.
My guess is that this is a big "what if we continued with the series?" film. Lots and lots of name dropping and fan [censored]ery.
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Post by Samface on Oct 29, 2010 16:07:23 GMT
In regards to having villains that people of heard of, I'd never come across Ra's/R'as/whatever when Begins came out. For that matter I have no idea who the Clock King is.
Talia seems like a reasonable choice. Someone on some forum somewhere (this one?) yonks ago pointed out that Ivy could work as a bio-terrorist.
But seriously now, the campaign for Bat-Mite starts here.
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Post by Alex on Oct 29, 2010 16:26:45 GMT
The thing with Batman villains that people have heard of is that most people have only heard of them because the previous 4 films had done them or they were big characters in the 60s TV show. We're talking the Joker, The Penguin, Catwoman, Mr Freeze, Two Face and Riddler as pretty much the top of the list of Batman villains people actually know about. DC's always been a lot poorer than Marvel at keeping up a good rogue's gallery, and frankly, given that Superman's is essentially just Lex Luthor as far as the general public is concerned, Batman's gotten off quite well with the amount people know for his.
I'd welcome Catwoman if only to scrub out the remaining memories of that God-awful movie from my mind - but I wouldn't mind seeing one of the less well known villains take a place at the top.
That said, I cannot see Harley Quinn working at all. Her character really doesn't mean anything without the Joker.
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Post by Baron Canier on Oct 29, 2010 16:47:31 GMT
Didn't he kinda die in a big ball of train explodey fire? Earlier exchanges in Begins hinted that he was immortal. The comic version of the character is also immortal, so it essentially functions as a "back door" of ambiguity just in case Nolan wanted to use the character a second time. Also, Batman Begins kind of defies the "Gotta be popular to make it in!" convention, since the villains (Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Falconi) are all ones most folks had never heard of. Prior to Begins nobody would've thought you could pull off a convincing Scarecrow on the big screen. It's all about the priorities of the execution.
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