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Post by chrisengland8 on Mar 10, 2012 13:12:42 GMT
It's been a while since Grimer's had a major appearance. Sure he recently was revealed as the mastermind behind Sonic's downfall, but we only saw him for 2 pages. From what he heard he's "safely in another dimension"; but that doesn't mean he can't use that to his advantage!
I'd like to see him become a villain in his own rights once more (just like the time he worked behind-the-scenes in his own jail-cell)! From this "other dimension", he could make his own stand against the Freedom Fighters.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Mar 10, 2012 13:28:48 GMT
I assumed that since Robotnik's return, Grimer must have sought him out...
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Post by Tanner / Ogilvie on Mar 11, 2012 10:14:04 GMT
Some people inherently have a servile mentality; judging by how much abuse Grimer put up with, I believe he qualifies. Whereas Snivley stayed around solely out of fear, Grimer stays around out of true loyalty and admiration - it is an honor to be choked to death by such a great mind.
Given that Grimer's devoted his intellect and resources entirely to making Sonic's life a nightmare and creating simulations of the good ole days, I don't think he'll be ready to become a villain in his own right for some time. It will always, always, always go back to the fat man with him.
Similarly, it's a common theme in fiction for once-dominant villains to find they enjoy working for someone else. It's such a relief to not have to do all the planning, but merely do as you are told.
Based on Grimer's loyalty to Robotnik in spirit, and his vengeance, he strikes me as the type that wants to serve a mad man. I presume he'll return to Mobius when there's a great mind for him to follow - whether Robotnik or someone else. Assuming Robotnik can ever regain some semblance of his sanity, that is likely when Grimer will announce his return.
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Post by sidewinder on Mar 11, 2012 17:18:45 GMT
Grimer? wy he's right here in my Flat of course taking some time out to clean :3  |
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Post by Grimer on Mar 11, 2012 19:09:36 GMT
He did say, "I wouldn't serve that fat fool now if he begged me!" Or something similar. I think that chalks it up right there. Should Robotnik stop being so insane we may see Grimer.
Two things bug me though:
1 - Why hasn't Grimer tried to restore Robotnik's sanity. Im sure he could of think of a way to do it, he's saved Robotnik from many situations before.
2 - Secondly, is Robotnik actually insane. On the outside he is, but on the inside (according to what we say in issue with his brain connected to his machinery to command his Badnik army) he actually seems quite the same as always.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Mar 11, 2012 20:43:58 GMT
But he made that Robotnik robot? I was under the impression he missed being Robotnik's lackey. Or is my mind making that up?  |
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Post by Tanner / Ogilvie on Mar 11, 2012 22:07:07 GMT
1 - Why hasn't Grimer tried to restore Robotnik's sanity. Im sure he could of think of a way to do it, he's saved Robotnik from many situations before. He might have abandoned it as a lost cause, hence why he's content with his simulations right now. I assume that given the right motivation, he can regain some grip on his sanity just like his Archie counterpart. I assume he'll still be perfectly capable of going off his rocker, but can hide that behind a thin layer of reasoning power and use that to achieve his goals. After all, even Super Sonic is capable of keeping himself in check if there's some benefit to it.  And if a creature who is pure chaotic energy can do it, I see no reason an ordinary man could not. |
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Post by Charles on Mar 12, 2012 16:24:57 GMT
In my head, Grimer is enjoying himself on a nice tropical beach and is surrounded by woman. But he made that Robotnik robot? I was under the impression he missed being Robotnik's lackey. Ah yes, but he missed the old Robotnik. ("Whoever would believe that Robotnik would be reduced to a blithering madman, eh, Grimer?") |
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Post by patches on Mar 12, 2012 19:38:53 GMT
In my head, Grimer is enjoying himself on a nice tropical beach and is surrounded by woman. ... while trying to solve the puzzle of what the pipes sticking out of the top of his backpack are for...  |
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Mar 12, 2012 20:25:05 GMT
In my head, Grimer is enjoying himself on a nice tropical beach and is surrounded by woman. Surrounded by one woman? I really didn't think Grimer was that kind of guy. Woah. |
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Post by patches on Mar 12, 2012 20:55:13 GMT
Hahaha! I tried to comment on Grimer being surrounded by one woman, but the mental image it alluded to was just too horrible! It can't be easy being green... |
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Post by ShayMay on Mar 12, 2012 20:57:18 GMT
Surrounded by one woman? I really didn't think Grimer was that kind of guy. Considering Robotnik's girth... |
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Post by patches on Mar 12, 2012 21:08:21 GMT
Hmmmm... that's true- we've uncovered an unexplored plot line that might require dissection! Where is T-Fox when you need him? Only joking... he shouldn't be encouraged really... |
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Post by Tanner / Ogilvie on Mar 12, 2012 23:01:19 GMT
No, not even I would have probed into that storyline. Nor will I because even I have my limits!
Ahem.
Yeah what the heck are those pipes on his backpack for anyway? Lol factor? Weapon? Soda dispenser?
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Post by Charles on Mar 13, 2012 12:26:02 GMT
I was going to post "women who look strangely like Robotnik", decided against it, tried to write "surrounded by women", but obviously my subconscious really wanted everyone to think of female Robotniks...
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Post by Chigs! on Mar 14, 2012 0:04:04 GMT
"women who look strangely like Robotnik"  |
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Post by Tanner / Ogilvie on Mar 14, 2012 1:24:43 GMT
...umm. Well. I'm sure her baby boy loves her very very much despite the fact facial hair tends not to grow on women. Personally I think this is proof Robotnik needs to have a child. There's so much ugliness doled out within his inner circle he's long overdue for someone handsome. Wait. Maybe that's what Grimer's up to - maybe he's had himself a family in that alternate dimension and it's cut in on how often he can be evil? Such angles shouldn't be ruled out! Wait this isn't Archie forget I said anything. |
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Mar 14, 2012 11:14:26 GMT
Personally I think this is proof Robotnik needs to have a child. There's so much ugliness doled out within his inner circle he's long overdue for someone handsome. Wait. Maybe that's what Grimer's up to - maybe he's had himself a family in that alternate dimension and it's cut in on how often he can be evil? Such angles shouldn't be ruled out! Oh my god yes they should. [censored]ing hell. |
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Mar 16, 2012 16:57:29 GMT
Personally I think this is proof Robotnik needs to have a child. There's so much ugliness doled out within his inner circle he's long overdue for someone handsome. Wait. Maybe that's what Grimer's up to - maybe he's had himself a family in that alternate dimension and it's cut in on how often he can be evil? Such angles shouldn't be ruled out! Oh my god yes they should. [censored]ing hell. hem......this sounds a bit weird.....  |
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Post by Ed on Apr 1, 2012 9:36:59 GMT
He did say, "I wouldn't serve that fat fool now if he begged me!" Or something similar. I think that chalks it up right there. Should Robotnik stop being so insane we may see Grimer. Two things bug me though: 1 - Why hasn't Grimer tried to restore Robotnik's sanity. Im sure he could of think of a way to do it, he's saved Robotnik from many situations before. I think he felt betrayed. He unleashed Chaos to try and snap Robotnik out of his funk, went along with his plan and then found out there was no plan - Robotnik is just suicidal. I'm not sure how Grimer would ever trust Robotnik again even if he claimed to be 'cured'. I think Grimer is grieving the loss of Robotnik and so the Grimer stories I wrote were modelled on the five stages of grief. "Robotnik Forever" was denial. "Goodbye, Mobius" was anger -- which is why the line you quoted was in there. Catch him at a different time and he'd probably have a different view on things. That said, I'm a big believer in moving characters forwards rather than just rebooting back to a safe status quo. It would have been easy just to reboot Robotnik's brain but this seemed like such a dull choice that it never really occurred to me to have Grimer try and 'save' Robotnik in this way. More interesting to find new things to do with them -- and there's really no end of new avenues to explore with both characters, it's just having the time and space to get to them. This isn't based on any actual understanding of psychology or the workings of the brain but my thought process with this is that Robotnik is basically catatonic and, in his head, he is the Robotnik of old playing out games against Sonic. But he's shut in, he can't express himself. So #250 Robotnik is like the Robotnik in the toybox in #229, just on a much larger scale and we can hear what's going through his head. But I don't think we'd have had the same ambitious schemes as before... he'd be much more erratic. Of course, I never ended up writing either Grimer or Robotnik after #250 and I'm sure the current writers will have interpreted everything in their own way. I'm just commenting on the material I wrote. |
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Post by sidewinder on Apr 1, 2012 9:54:14 GMT
"women who look strangely like Robotnik" I sit strange to be so aroused by this femme fatale? |
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Post by Raxadian on Jun 4, 2012 7:17:04 GMT
Grimer will eventually return, but we have a Drakon invasion in the works, I don't expect him to be seen after that is over. For all he cares, he is done with Mobius, and even if he knows of Robotnik's return, he might think is a fake the drakons made.
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Jun 7, 2012 11:56:25 GMT
you guys....SERIOUSLY and HONESTLY...do we really want him back that much? As much as I'm concerned he can stay on that tropical beach with that one woman (ew) forever. After all, if it's lackeys we need, the brilliant minds of our creative STCO cast can surely comensate.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 7, 2012 12:14:17 GMT
Yeah, I want him back.
Part of what made STC special to me was the fact that we had these consistent characters to latch onto. Sure, we had new villains and heroes introduced frequently to keep things fresh, but Robotnik and Grimer had a real presence throughout the comic, and I'd like to see that continue.
This pretty much applies to all STC-exclusive characters, actually. We seem to have forgotten a fair number of them.
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Post by Chigs! on Jun 7, 2012 12:56:49 GMT
NORRIS WIMPLE - WE SHALL NEVER FORGET |
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