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Post by Arch on Jun 22, 2012 13:36:18 GMT
Everyone remembers the likes of Running Wild, The Sonic Terminator, The Final Victory and The Revenge of Trogg - multi-part serials with high drama, great art and the occasional humour. Strips like these have been dissected and argued over for nearly 20 years now! However, they're just a tiny portion of the content Sonic the Comic gave us throughout our childhood. The rest stems from the frequent duff one-shots to underrated Sonic's World strips. There are people who outright didn't read the non-Sonic pieces, whilst others were put off by artwork not to their liking. For whatever reasons, the majority of strips have been forgotten by the majority of us. I've set up this thread to discuss which of these stories - the ones that don't keep on appearing in the "best of" lists - were your personal favourites or maybe deserved another part or two. I'll kick things off by pretty much picking some of these out and random and throwing them open for debate. Everyone's views are definitely welcome! === The Rampage of MekanikIssues 57 to 58 Written by Lew Stringer, drawn by Nigel Kitching, coloured by John Burns and lettered by Elitta Fell. It's easy to forget this 2-parter, occurring pretty soon after the epic Death Egg saga and followed straight on by the Metallix and Brutus acts. On the outside, it's easy to see why it's so forgettable. Robotnik builds a giant robot to cause some destruction but is eventually felled by the heroes. It's hardly original, but there are a few quirks to make it slightly memorable. Robotnik's trip to the deserted Emerald Hill Zone is an incredibly striking opening and suggests how quickly the evacuation to the Floating Island must have been carried out. After a bit of moping, we get our first look at the Stone Tower Zone, one of my favourite non-Sega locations and criminally underlooked (at least it returned in STC-O). The dictator unleashes Mekanik, a truly menacing foe. Unfortunately, this is where it gets silly. The Freedom Fighters just happen to be visiting an unimportant Zone and have heard "the rumour" about something that appeared seconds ago. Sonic discovers that Mekanik's armour is tough, suggesting that the dinosaur is the second character to be coated in Megatal in 10 issues (and will be quickly followed by Brutus). Speaking of which, Shortfuse suddenly opts to investigate Badnik activity in this unimportant Zone and sees the carnage before the gigantic Mekanik himself. It's times like this that I feel very little sympathy for Lew with regards to his critics. A great fight scene breaks out, with two teams of two using interesting tactics to confuse and surround Mekanik. It's definitely much more welcome than watching Sonic spin attack everything in sight and it's a shame it's over as soon as it begins. The "indestructible" Shortfuse seems to die and Sonic begins his two-week-long death. Elsewhere, Johnny abandons the people in the middle of the battlefield. Shortfuse reminds us that's he's a good Badnik for the first time out of four thousand and this story's getting incredibly grating now. Mekanik has decided not to roast Sonic alive and goes to eat him, which is a rubbish tactic. The story suddenly improves with the banter between Sonic and Shortfuse - we haven't yet had a hero with the ego and temper of Sonic (barring maybe Knuckles) and Shortfuse shows what happens when somebody eventually does match him for arrogance. Despite being a new hero, he seems to want the admiration and appreciation that Sonic receives, even though the other heroes don't get any. Interesting is that Stringer seems to have created his own Sonic here, probably suggesting why he had so much of a fanbase. It's a pretty nifty plan of Sonic's to get into Mekanik but the idea to tear him apart from the inside seems too similar to "The Green Eater", where Sonic took the battery out instead of wires. I'm surprised Sonic didn't decide to use Mekanik as a temporary house for the now-homeless people of Stone Tower. Finally, we get a teaser for Project Brutus, so it's not such a pointless story after all. Although there's plenty of negatives that come along with it being an early Lew story, there's plenty in this that I like to keep coming back to, particularly the team dynamic. The flanking tactics of a team hopelessly outpowered appeals to me. I feel that Tails could have easily replaced Shortfuse (the excuse that he was in the Special Zone was ridiculous) but I do like what he brought to the strip. Mekanik was a bit rubbish, not really fulfilling his job description of destroying things.
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Post by madhair60 on Jun 22, 2012 14:03:20 GMT
Love that story. Mainly because I love Mr Kitching's take on Sonic, which we saw all too little of.
Wonderful colours, too.
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Jun 22, 2012 15:32:23 GMT
I'm fond of that story, the art's full of great little details, the sort of thing Nigel excelled at. Robotnik and Grimer strolling through the Emerald Hill Zone is a really striking opening, I thought, because we practically never see those characters there before or since.
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Post by Samface on Jun 22, 2012 17:58:29 GMT
I always liked that story. Great art, as others have said, and it was interesting to see Sonic and Shortfuse interact properly for the first time. And it was nice to have a simple story at the time, coming between the Death Egg shenanigans and Brutus' introduction.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jun 22, 2012 18:32:00 GMT
Ahh. I loved this 2-parter. It was ace. It had Shortfuse kicking butt, reiterating his back story, Amy was in it not being a useless sap, Johnny was in it, uh... doing... stuff... it had plenty of action and snappy dialogue. It was great. I think my favourite non-uberarc story was Badnik's Bridge, I've probably mentioned this before somewhere on the forum... don't want to jump the gun in case you're going to write about that one...
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Post by Arch on Jun 22, 2012 19:43:56 GMT
I think my favourite non-uberarc story was Badnik's Bridge, I've probably mentioned this before somewhere on the forum... don't want to jump the gun in case you're going to write about that one... Nah, go for it! Like I say, I'm pretty much just picking them out of a hat, although I do really like it. Completely forgot to talk about the art, but I'm not as big a fan as the rest of you seem to be. Kitching's Sonic never did it for me, although I do like it in The Final Victory for some reason. Burns' colouring always livens up a piece, though.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jun 22, 2012 20:54:43 GMT
I think my favourite non-uberarc story was Badniks Bridge, I've probably mentioned this before somewhere on the forum... don't want to jump the gun in case you're going to write about that one... Nah, go for it! . Challenge Accepted! *clears throat* Badniks Bridge #43 and 44Written by Nigel Kitching and art by Casanovas. While not entirely a minor story - it makes reference to the Death Egg and Knuckles' story in the Carnival Night Zone - I like this one because; 1) Its place in the STC timeline: To start, it shows the gang coping with being on the run as Bob Beaky's Circus. Amy nearly kills Porker. Ho, ho, ho! Amy, you are a card! Perhaps it's really her fault Porker broke down and left the gang?! XD Sonic gets caught by super special Trooper - a member of the SBS! It is special because it has different armour to regular troopers and can transform its arm into a cage. *shrug* Neat idea, Robotnik. Today I suppose it is a precursor to Brutus, but I'm not sure if there is any truth to that. It also tells Sonic its made from a super alloy, which I assume is Megatal, again I can't remember if Megatal had been named at this point. Later Sonic comments that despite this, he could take them all on no problem, but we don't get to see this as he is hot-footing it out of there! 2) Sonic becomes a terrorist! That's right kids! I can't imagine a kids' comic book publishing something like this today. Then again, Sonic is a Freedom Fighter and does what needs to be done. The Emerald Hill Zone has been evacuated so presumably he is not worried about hurting anyone... or perhaps he just doesn't give a toss. Douchebag Sonic was the best Sonic, afterall! He also is seemingly a master engineer in this story - he not only unscrews the cage from the SBS trooper's arm at super speed, but he also unscrews the entire lower chassis of the thruster's transporter! Way to go, Sonic MEng! It was great to see him not just Spin Attacking his way out or through the transporter, though. 3) In part two, Sonic realises the awesome power of teamwork!*cough* Sorry, I have been playing Sonic Heroes... XD Johnny flies the Tornado (was it called that in STC? I don't remember!) - which confused me at the time because usually Tails flies the plane - with Amy in the passenger seat. Johnny catches Sonic on the wings of the plane twice and Amy's skills prove vital to the ultimate demise of the thruster - Sonic tells her to find her old bow (not the one she nearly made spare ribs out of Porker with!) so she can shoot the landmines in the SBS's transport. While of course Sonic is seen to do most of the work, I kinda like it when the other Freedom Fighters get to do something cool like blowing stuff up. Sonic even praises Amy for a job well done! XD 4) There is a hint that Johnny has a thing for Amy. At the time I was like "Dawwwww! That's so cute!" but as I'm no longer a 9 year old child, I'm actually kinda glad it goes no further than here. I know there was a miniarc planned around Amy and Johnny, but STC was not Archie! XD Unfortunately for Johnny, Amy is still swooning over Sonic, whether she is only picking on him or not... I dunno. I believe Sonic tells her to stop "drooling" at one point! XD Amy also makes a reference to cupid's accuracy not being as good as hers! I always liked that cheesy exchange. :B 5) I really like Casanovas' art. Somehow Sonic looks taller without looking stretched or too anthro'd. I've always likes this particular panel: However in his panels, Tails looks like he could lose a few pounds! Sorry, Casanovas! The final panel of the thruster exploding while the gang escape in the plane is also really cool. So cool, in fact I think it might have inspired me to draw one of my own monstrosities - if anyone has seen my DA page [/shameless plug] you will probably know which one I mean. ;D (It's old and its terrible, so please don't look for it. I only keep it because I like how I drew Amy. :3 Everything else sucks.) Anyways - I think this one is a great link in to other stories in the comic without being too huge. Nigel's writing is top notch as ever. The dialogue is amusing but not corny and I like the idea of Sonic taking such extreme action to stop Robotnik's plans to revive his Death Egg... even though following this he just uses the Master Emerald anyway! Two parts is just the right size for this story - one part would not be enough and the cliffhanger showed Sonic in real peril, even though in part two he handles it with no difficulty whatsoever! While not a massively memorable story like Running Wild, Brutus, etc. I reckon Badniks Bridge showed some pretty neat character development as well as nudging the story on a wee bit. I loves it, anyways. :B Oh yes, and who of course could forget this panel?! Physical abuse is cool, kids!
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Jun 22, 2012 21:45:58 GMT
Cruelty to Grimer must stop. FULL STOP.
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Post by Chigs! on Jun 23, 2012 9:42:52 GMT
Off the top of my head I'll plump for Day of the Badniks. Loved reading it first time round, mostly for the badnik designs and the "Dun Dun Dun - sonics a badnik now!" aspect - The wiki tells me it was Kitchings very first STC script too, which maybe goes some way to explain my appeal - Its also the first mention of Robotnik's Special zone base, later home to the brotherhood of metalix - I guess to a certain extent this is also the first STC appearance of a metalix (by which I mean a prototype 'badnik that looks like sonic' robot rather than the real thing of course) so yeah, dunno how we're defining obscure exactly but I think its worthy of a mention
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Post by Samface on Jun 23, 2012 13:53:59 GMT
I cannot read Day of the Badniks any more without thinking of Invader Zim. It's impossible.
Badniks' Bridge (Badniks Bridge?) was cool. Casanovas' art is interesting - I loved his super-detailed backgrounds, and his supporting characters were great (that Mysterious Wanderer guy always stuck in my mind), but I was never sold on his take on Sonic or Tails. Amy, Johnny and Porker were decent though.
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Post by Arch on Jun 23, 2012 14:33:40 GMT
I think Casanovas' art was excellent on nearly every occasion. Shame he'd started to slip up by "Beware Predicto", since I think that was his last strip. Badniks Bridge itself is brilliant, there always seemed to be a genuine sense of peril and Sonic's antics were pretty fun. For some reason, it took me a few years to get my head around the opening. I just couldn't fathom that the machine shooting at Porker was Amy... Day of the Badniks is a bit rubbish, though. === Next on my list isn't a Sonic story, for once. It is another Shortfuse one, by sheer coincedence... Enter the CybernikIssues 45 to 47 Written by Lew Stringer, drawn by Roberto Corona, coloured by John Burns and lettered by Steve Potter. I've got a bit of a thing for the early Sonic's World stories. The brief was simple: delve into the amazing world of Mobius and its unrecognised characters. The prequels were pretty fascinating, although the following B.A.R.F. story was hit and miss. Then came this, the introduction of Shorty the Squirrel, the fiery hero that would divide parts of the fanbase for years to come. Focusing on the Emerald Hill folk is always something that appeals to me, especially when it's not just your regular Tux and Joe Sushi. I also like that Sonic and the gang can't be around to solve everyone, yet I find it odd that the heroes don't seem to feel any sorrow for Shorty's later situation or remorse that they couldn't stop Robotnik ruining his life. We start with a Robotnik sympathiser, which I think is a great idea that was rarely touched upon again (no wonder when you see what happens with this one). Shorty volleys insults with a Trooper ("Tombstone Teeth", "Ski-Feet") before deciding that he wants to save his friends (well, probably just Hopper). Fast-forward to the Badnik Processing Plant and it's good to see Badniks being created for once, although it doesn't make any sense that Robotnik doesn't seem to be on the Death Egg. Handily, Robotnik has a squirrel suit the perfect size for Shorty and he becomes a Cybernik for attempting to save his friends. Harsh. After a quick Star Trek gag, we've got our new hero and I've always been fond of Shortfuse. Sure, he goes on about his creation all the time but he's got lasers and he's invincible, so he's a little bit different to the others. The return to Emerald Hill is a great scene, with Shortfuse quickly turning the tables on the Badniks. Robotnik hears of the news and it's time for a final showdown ("Better than a Bruno fight!"). The aerial dogfight between the two is pretty fun, although it's a shame it's so one-sided. Robotnik unveils the prototype of the Metallix self-destruct program, which is a bit of a cop-out but I suppose it stops STC ending prematurely. Then Sonic turns up and saves the day, but lets Robotnik go, which I imagine Shortfuse isn't best pleased with. The final page is possibly the best of the whole strip, with Shortfuse first meeting his heroes and labelled as an equal, before a really touching moment between Shorty and Hopper. The rabbit just wants his friend to stay home, but Shorty doesn't seem to care and flies off to be Mobius' latest hero! I'm a sucker for origin stories. I love the story of Sonic's creation (however contrived), Knuckles' prequel to "Enter Knuckles" and especially Chaotix's first group performance. It's refreshing to know that no matter how diluted a character might become, they had a brilliant start in an engaging script that, I believe, was more interesting than the Sonic strip in these issues. Corona's early art, especially when working with Burns, was much better than his later stuff and it's a shame that he didn't get to work on Sonic more often. The background details, particularly with everything covered in chequerboard patterns, becomes sorely missed later. So yeah, not the most obscure strip in the series but it rarely gets touched upon.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 23, 2012 15:10:48 GMT
Shortfuse is a really strange case for me. He has major potential: his powers and his arrogance could really come together to create some ace stories with some excellent action sequences, but I don't think he was ever fleshed-out enough to really fulfill that potential.
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Post by Chigs! on Jun 23, 2012 16:39:51 GMT
If we're exploring obscure shortfuse stories, I'll plump for Out of Work HeroIts that rare thing - an intentionally funny Shortfuse story, and yet its actually got an underlying pathos about what happens to heroes after the battles are over - its sort of touched upon very briefly by sonic in a line or two of dialogue in his own strips post final victory, but this is a much better exploration of it I think, and says so much about Shorty's character in just a few pages. The ending actually serves as quite a bittersweet bit of closure for Shortfuse, and I sometimes wonder if this was actually written as an ending for the character - it certainly would have worked as one. Of the numerous bits of hindsighted regret about the Shorty and Tekno solstice stuff I have, I do particualrly regret that we didn't really square his personality change against this much better example of how he deals with not having an enemy to fight. Soz.
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Post by Arch on Jun 23, 2012 18:16:01 GMT
It's quite a different set of circumstances, though. In those stories, Shorty didn't have any armour to protect him and he outright couldn't fight. We saw back in "Breakout" that, when free from his armour, he'd have much rather enjoy the peace and quiet and seemed to adapt to his new life pretty well. I suppose he did have his armour handy, though.
I do like that story, particularly the job montage. It's a shame their argument from #97 wasn't touched upon more, it was kind of shrugged off. His reaction to Robotnik's defeat is brilliant.
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Jun 24, 2012 20:44:30 GMT
oh, boy you guys! *_* Remembering "Sonic the terroris.... *Ahem*...badinks bridge" and "the rampage of Mekanik" is so wonderful. I'll Remind then "Lift off"- Amy n 68. That story was short but I always thought it was pretty fun! haha Amy playing the damsel in distress when she can actually take perfectly care of things on her own. That's one of the things I love best of her STC version. But oh, com'on. The silly snow robot's lines are masterful. And What about n74? That must be one of my favourite one of my one shot stories along with "Plasma" n78. that one in particular......I always felt like it was really important for some reason, almost as it contained one of the cores of the ff itself.
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Post by Lost Mercenary on Jul 3, 2012 22:48:20 GMT
Ooooo I want in on this thread And since the last 2 strips mentioned have been Shorty stories I have to contribute one of his stories as well because damn it I love him. Repeated backstory and all. Cybernik Strikes BackIssues #63 - #67 Script by Lew Stringer, BW Art by Carl Flint, Colours by John Burns and Lettering by Elitta Fell (part 1 only) and Steve Potter. I hold this up as the best Shortfuse story ever (close 2nd being his joining with the FF) and one of my personal fave STC stories overall. Where do I even begin with this one? It's got everything a great story needs. Action, drama, great character work, the return of a great villain and some lovely artwork from Flint and Burns. The story begins with Shorty freeing some prisoners in the way that he knows best. Shooting them. Even with a Suicide Trooper trying his luck at blowing himself and our hero up he only succeeds in giving the latter a few burns. Wonder why they never tried that technique against the Freedom Fighters? Oh well... This opening action is followed by one of the best emotional moments for me in this story. He tells Tekno that he knew she was there and was the reason for his rescue of the prisoners, but not to free him from his armour. He just needs her to make a bomb. This strikes me hard every time I read it because of the way he casually delivers it. It's like he's resigned to the fact that's he's stuck as the Cybernik forever and is just rolling with it because he can't do much else. His increasing ego and quick temper could have been a result of his venting the simple frustration that he'll never be free and we saw what potential disasters that nearly lead too. That's speculation however but I like the idea. Lets see what else? Oh yeah his brand spanking new armour. My first reaction to seeing this as a kid was "FREAKING COOL!" And lets be honest, it is damn cool. And then there is Metamorphia. Ok did anyone seriously expect this fight? Shortfuse vs Methamorphia? I never did and boy oh boy did it not disappoint. She turns into gas, has axe arms, becomes a tentacle monster and to finish the job turns her left arm into a blaster before growing wings and flying off. Awesome fight although Shorty's constant one liners got a little tiring. Oh and the big BOOM. Always love a big boom. But Metamorphia is not there just so Shortfuse can lose a fight. Oh no. Doctor Robotnik throws her in a glass tube, removes her powers and sends her off to be turned into a badnik. Ouch. It's kind of made worse since we know she has a crush on him. Never felt sympathy for the character before this. She had always been fun to see turn into cool stuff but I never had I actually felt sorry for her. She does kinda get the last laugh at the end of the strip though so its not all bad. Shortfuse then attacks Citadel Robotnik, blowing badniks out the sky left and right as he shouts out "I'M COMING TO GET YOU ROBOTNIK! IT'S SHOWDOWN TIME!" Part 4's cliffhanger ending was amazing. After smashing into the Citadel and blowing up troopers we see another great character moment in his confrontation with Robotnik. You think he's going to pull the trigger (yeah right) and get his revenge, but then says he won't kill Robotnik. He's going to let him live so that he'll know that every defeat he suffers at Shorty's hands will be his own fault. Our squirrel friend doesn't want Robotnik dead so much as he wants him humiliated and beaten into nothing. He then flies off with Tekno and lets Robotnik sulk. Way to go Shorty. Overall an amazingly crafted story and a great character piece for everyone's favourite Cybernik. It also introduced us to Tekno, the new armour and gave us Metamorphia's final main story. I count her last appearance as more of an epilogue. Great stuff.
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Post by ShayMay on Jul 4, 2012 0:58:26 GMT
I have to say, I have no idea why Carl Flint gets a free pass while McMahon is continually berated. McMahon's STC stuff may have been really stylistic, for better or worse, but at least all of his characters didn't look like they were having a spasm. I don't think I ever saw a normal-looking hand in a Flint strip. Abridged examples from "Brute Force": YORP You might be able to get away quicker if you used a shoe instead of a tissue box. At least now we know why they call him "lightfoot". Also note the detailed, vibrant background and the hands, one of which is on backwards and the other which is DEFINITELY HOLDING THAT THERE STAFF YES-SIREE. oh no johnny you look like you're in so much pain
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Jul 4, 2012 7:40:46 GMT
Carl Flint's covers were almost all fab. A lot of his strips were so-so, though. His first one is very odd looking indeed.
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Post by Samface on Jul 4, 2012 10:11:36 GMT
Carl Flint's covers were almost all fab. A lot of his strips were so-so, though. Basically, yeah. He drew my all-time favourite STC cover, with Tails in his Zonerunner outfit (issue #48 or thereabouts?) but most of his strips look like I drew them. Clearly his strength was single large pictures he could put time into rather than lengthy, complex strips. Oh, and Cybernik Strikes Back was great. Interesting to see how Tekno was a lot snippier in her first appearance.
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Post by ShayMay on Jul 4, 2012 10:26:46 GMT
Interesting to see how Tekno was a lot snippier in her first appearance. And a lot smashier in her last. *mirth*
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Post by Arch on Jul 4, 2012 14:18:35 GMT
Ooer, I forgot about this thread. That didn't start well, did it? -- Just a small one (chortle) for you to muse on today: Chuck's SavingsIssue 120 Written and drawn by Nigel Kitching, lettered by Ellie de Ville Ah, Decap Attack! The series that people either love or hate, but most people love. It hasn't got particularly many stand-out strips, most of them are of equal quality, or worse. The ones that do stick in the mind are probably multi-parters like the first two, "Monster of the Year", "Dead!" or "The Legend of Mr Cuddle Bunny". But Nigel wrote a startling amount of Decap strips before tailing off towards the end (shortly after this one, to be honest. "Chuck's Savings" is a pretty odd one for a children's comic as it delves into the financial world of debt collecting. Obviously, being Decap Attack, it's taken into the ridiculous with stumpy Mr Lowe and his enormous assistant, Klaus. This strip was a personal favourite of mine and it's probably because of all the mindless violence. The first page alone shows Chuck losing two of his teeth with copious amounts of blood (albeit very subtly coloured) spilling from his mouth. The best bit, though, is the series of beatings he gets on the second page. It starts innocently enough with bricks and vases but gets hilarious when he's pelted with a bell (turning him into a bell) and even the USS Enterprise, with accompanying "SPOK!" sound-effect. All topped wonderfully with the kitchen sink. Although that was my top page, the ending comes close. It's not always seized upon other than a quick fight at the beginning of some strips, Chuck's and Igor's rivalry is always great to touch upon. The idea that Chuck has signed Igor up for medical experimentation, no matter how idiotic, still makes me chuckle when I think of it. Especially when you see that blood-curdling scream coming from the castle! -- Anyone else got a favourite Decap strip, particularly a complete story?
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Post by madhair60 on Jul 4, 2012 17:40:03 GMT
That's my favourite STC story of all time. at least all of his characters didn't look like they were spastics. Jesus, steady on.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jul 4, 2012 18:05:11 GMT
I have no idea why Carl Flint gets a free pass while McMahon is continually berated. Seconded. I remember they actually published a letter about someone moaning about Flint's artwork. Gigantic balls.
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Post by Samface on Jul 5, 2012 21:46:32 GMT
Anyone else got a favourite Decap strip, particularly a complete story? My favourite Decap story is Who Killed Chuck?, but as for one-off strips...hmm... Ooh, I know! The Maltese Budgies. There just aren't enough comics in the world that simultaneously take off film noir and the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. The fact that all the budgies' lines are completely inexplicable non sequiteurs never fails to tickle me.
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Post by Nigel Kitching on Jul 11, 2012 13:08:27 GMT
Anyone else got a favourite Decap strip, particularly a complete story? My favourite Decap story is Who Killed Chuck?, but as for one-off strips...hmm... Ooh, I know! The Maltese Budgies. There just aren't enough comics in the world that simultaneously take off film noir and the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. The fact that all the budgies' lines are completely inexplicable non sequiteurs never fails to tickle me. I seem to remember I rather amused myself writing the budgie's dialogue. The other Decap thing I remember amusing myself with was making up the titles to Mr Cuddle Bunny's books. I can't remember if these were clearly shown in the strip but I had a whole bookshelf's worth.
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