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Post by Knuckles on Sept 1, 2004 20:48:19 GMT
If the emeralds belong to the Drakons then why do they warp to the special zone. Maybe that zone was a gateway to drakon world in the past.
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Post by Admin Droid on Sept 1, 2004 23:27:24 GMT
This issue was sort of meant to answer that, but in the end I wanted to cut right back on the technobabble. The idea is that waste chaos energy goes automatically to the Special Zone for unknown reasons. There, it's thought to have generated life in that universe much as the big bang is thought to have created life on ours.
There's more to tell about the origins of the Special Zone, but that's a long way off.
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Post by ChaosX3 on Sept 1, 2004 23:45:36 GMT
It would explain why Shadow was able to reach the Special Zone without aid from the Omni-Viewer or a teleporter. Unless of course StC-O's Chaos Control was capable of transporting dimensions. Then again, Shadow is able to reach the Special Zone in Sonic Heroes.
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Post by Oz on Sept 2, 2004 19:41:19 GMT
This sounds interesting. I think that its most probaly the answer
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Post by Aurora on Sept 2, 2004 21:13:44 GMT
Maybe it's something to do with the fact that whilst the Drakons created the chaos energy, the emeralds were made by the ancient echidnas? [SA adapt]
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Post by Admin Droid on Sept 2, 2004 22:33:26 GMT
The emeralds are naturally occurring. They come from the Emerald Mine (as established in "The Graveyard" and reaffirmed in "The Origin of Chaos").
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Post by Chosenoneknuckles on Sept 3, 2004 4:21:41 GMT
The emeralds are naturally occurring. They come from the Emerald Mine (as established in "The Graveyard" and reaffirmed in "The Origin of Chaos"). Yeah, is the Graveyard like the same place/area where the emeralds that were dug up in the past were? The Floating Island was a part of the Mobius Mainland at some point... Or is it just one HUGE considence that they both have emeralds?? |
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Post by mobiusman on Sept 3, 2004 9:26:12 GMT
Yeah, is the Graveyard like the same place/area where the emeralds that were dug up in the past were? The Floating Island was a part of the Mobius Mainland at some point... Or is it just one HUGE considence that they both have emeralds?? But the graveyard is on the floating island.  |
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Post by Admin Droid on Sept 3, 2004 9:32:21 GMT
The Emerald mine was a part of mainland Mobius. During the Drakon war, a part of Mobius rose into the sky to become the Floating Island. The emerald mine is now on the island.
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Post by Chosenoneknuckles on Sept 3, 2004 10:07:26 GMT
The Emerald mine was a part of mainland Mobius. During the Drakon war, a part of Mobius rose into the sky to become the Floating Island. The emerald mine is now on the island. Exactly ;D;) |
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Post by Matt on Sept 3, 2004 14:40:05 GMT
well the truth about the drackon and the special zone sound interseting. and the idea of the waste energy creating the special zone is a greeat idea as there most alway be waste chaos energy around as the emerald powerisunlimited so cannot be depleted so must be filtered off some were. so neither can any form of chaos energy (hense why only supersonic could stop perfect chaos in the last (real non repeating) issue of stc
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 3, 2004 15:31:14 GMT
bringing me to more questions 1) echidnas must have been a race on mobius at one point if the floating island is part of mobius 2) Which is the older race? Drakons or echidnas I would like to see these questions answered with questions in future stc-s |
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Post by Admin Droid on Sept 3, 2004 16:20:14 GMT
1. Yes, they were. See #179-182.
2. The Drakons, probably. I can't see this ever being very relevant though.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 3, 2004 16:27:26 GMT
The emeralds were sacred to the echidnas, but they were in a dormant form. No energy was contained in those emeralds that occur naturally, (So its why Knuckles had to get a new dormant one from the valley when the original Master Emerald broke.) until the Drakons pinched some to store Chaos energy. Obviously they had created something they couldnt control. The echidnas tried to steal the emeralds back. Which is how it started to fly, as Chaos energy makes SuperSonic fly and presumably Shadow so I can see how that would happen. Plus it started the war with the Drakons.
I imagine the Drakon race is the more ancient, coz when Robotnik opens the Mobius Ring to catch Flickies the Prosecutor arrives to find out who opened it, saying that when they left the creatures were primitive. He may have been referring to the echidnas but I thought they were supposed to have advanced technology. Or was that also stolen from the Drakons?
What Im confused about is if the Drakons created Chaos energy, how did Kintobor come across it to place it in his seven emeralds? Didnt Knuckles once say there were 14 originally but they were split apart? If Kintobor filled those emeralds with the evil of Mobius and not Chaos energy (which what made Robotnik evil) surely the emeralds Knuckles means are elsewhere?
I imagine that the Chaos energy that overspilled into the Special zone to create it in the first place is similar to how SuperSonic was stripped from Sonic to create a seperate being.
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Post by Admin Droid on Sept 3, 2004 16:37:18 GMT
I think 8000 years later, the Prosecutor wouldn't know for sure how primitive the echidnas were, and since they lost the emeralds, I doubt they were bragging about it.
It appears to have happened like this. At the climax of the war, the FLoating Island took off with the Master emeralds and half of each of the Chaos Emeralds. The rest of the Emeralds remained on Mobius. Kintobor worked out that the emeralds absorbed 'evil' (Chaos energy).
The emeralds were joined again in #36.
ETA: The idea that the Special Zone is created from Chaos energy is derived simply from the fact that everything of that nature gravitates there -- the emeralds, the 'Super' half of Sonic, and so on. Not to say that's the whole story though.
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 3, 2004 22:51:51 GMT
Yeah but in flickies island dosen't the prosecutor say they left because they had no interest in mobian kind?
A war with the echidnas is of no interest when it involves the chaos emeralds?
They left cos they were too primitive and not a threat?
NOT A THREAT?
they had a huge war! The echidnas left because of it.
Meh. Also will you play upon the fact knuckles is thousands of years old
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Post by Admin Droid on Sept 3, 2004 23:00:03 GMT
Well, Mobius was never exactly going to hurt the Drakon Empire. The Drakon Empire is massive. The echidnas were dominant on one planet.
I'm not sure what you mean on the last point. Gradually, more of Mobius's history will unfold. I'm not sure there'll be any major revelations about the Knuckles or the war until after #250 though.
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 3, 2004 23:10:14 GMT
I just thought vic may give us a hint or even more questions.
Maybe they were old war buddies.....or rivals
Maybe zak and vics connection is they were part of the same rank.
Maybe knuckles was chose to stay behind because he was a powerful fighter.....or royalty and those two were blinded with jealousy.
Also if all the echidnas went to the stars how come two are left?
Maybe relatives of knuckles are hiding somewhere
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Post by Chosenoneknuckles on Sept 4, 2004 0:58:13 GMT
Maybe relatives of knuckles are hiding somewhere How original would that be HINT = archie!  |
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 4, 2004 1:14:10 GMT
you know what I mean though everyone seemed to have gone to the stars and suddenly zak and vik show up?
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Post by Admin Droid on Sept 4, 2004 17:57:15 GMT
Knuckles's people returning from the stars is one of the key legends that drives Knuckles's story. It's not an Archie-exclusive thing. But I certainly wouldn't want mum, dad and five siblings moving in with him either. Remember, these echidnas left 8000 years ago now. Any family Knuckles might have had would be long dead. And wherever they are, they certainly won't be like the echidna race of old any more.
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 4, 2004 20:09:55 GMT
yeah but knuckles is thousands of years old and he's still alive
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 4, 2004 21:06:38 GMT
Well, in the manual to Sonic and Knuckles hes 15!! lol! I dunno about STC but I assume hes not much older than Sonic. I reckon that either Sonic wasnt hurled as far back in time as we think, or Knuckles was put in suspension for millenia. And thats why he cant remember anything about his past life. I dunno, maybe we're all wrong and the Knuckles Sonic met in Tikal's time was a different one and Knuckles' name so happens to be popular among echidnas?! lol!
Nah, Im pretty sure that was the one and only Knuckles. He mustve been either taken back to the island thousands of years later by the same way Sonic was moved back and forth in time or they put him in some kind of suspended animation.
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Post by Oz on Sept 4, 2004 21:14:37 GMT
I always thought the suspended animation one. It would complicate it too much if they did all the time traveling malarcy.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 4, 2004 21:30:07 GMT
Well, weve already seen that both Tikal and her Pa were very capable of time travel. We dont know the outcome of their war with the Drakons, so maybe in a last effort to save their race, some where sent forward in time after Sonic. Knuckles n ole Zach wouldve been some, maybe there are others yet to be seen?
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