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Post by Alex on May 25, 2008 3:51:46 GMT
I have just, this moment, returned home from a Eurovision Party. It was actually rather fun. The party, not so much the Eurovision. I wouldn't have minded Greece winning, since their song was alright, the singer was hawt and the song was - literally - about her lady parts. But Russia winning was a crime - their song just sucked. :/ I voted ( ) for Finland, Greece, the Pirates and Spain with the "Pink biatch-who-might-actually-not-actually-be-a-biatch" who fell down and was hilariously pissed off her head.
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Post by metric on May 25, 2008 7:58:13 GMT
Aren't the UK, like, the only country who actually votes for the song we like the most?
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Post by Ben / Rio on May 25, 2008 8:18:43 GMT
I'm surprised Ben didn't already make this thread. Reason I didn't make this thread myself is because I didn't think anybody would give a toss and because I would want to do some actual discussion about it rather than sit here and type "lol terry OMG politics" all night. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to come off as bitter here, but if I've made a misjudgement and a bit of Eurovision discussion would be welcome here when Moscow 2009 rolls around, let me know.
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on May 25, 2008 8:53:25 GMT
But it IS political, that's why everyone types 'lol politics'. I mean, look at how all the Eastern Bloc countries voted. That's why Serbia won last year, because she got a MAJOR Baltic block vote. The Western European countries seem less biased, although the Scandinavian countries, Andorra, Spain, San Marino and France lick each other's arses a bit. It really is getting stupid now. Dima Bilan's song was OK but in no way was it the best thing there. Although he's kind of an established name in Eurovision, he entered back in 2006 (and that song was way better). But the amount of Eastern Bloc countries is getting ridiculous. I mean, now that Serbia and Montenegro have split, we've got 6 former Yugoslavian countries instead of 5, plus we seem to get a new CIS country every year. It was Azerbaijan this year, Georgia last year, Armenia before that, Belarus before that. Kazakhstan will probably enter soon. Incidentally, Sweden's entry - the scary blonde cat woman - was the one who won Eurovision back in 1999. She was less scary then.
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Post by Ben / Rio on May 25, 2008 9:56:32 GMT
You're all gonna think I'm nuts, but I would love it if Bentley Jones would approach the BBC for next year. For those who don't know, he's the man behind Dreams of an Absolution and he's about to release a debut album as a solo artist. His music's bloody brilliant, and IS, or is at least along the lines of, what the UK needs not just in its chart, but in Moscow next year. See for yourself.
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Post by The Stiv™ on May 25, 2008 11:18:34 GMT
I could just see Dreams of an Absolution on Eurovision now I listen to it XD.
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Post by Alex on May 25, 2008 11:22:06 GMT
My mate's band has been talking about putting themselves forward for Ireland for next year - but after last night I don't think they'll bother considering that they stand dick all chance of winning it, lol.
Although, Ireland do tend to get a bit better out of it than the UK - y'know, when they're in it. >_>
I was sad that the Pirates didn't do better. I was certain they'd be right up at the top 5.
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Post by metric on May 25, 2008 12:42:59 GMT
Dreams of an Absolution would rock Eurovision.
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Post by Alex on May 25, 2008 13:01:16 GMT
Dreams of an Absolution's had a commericial release though - so it can't be in Eurovision. Dems da rules.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on May 25, 2008 13:16:34 GMT
But it IS political, that's why everyone types 'lol politics'.... It really is getting stupid now. I agree, it is pretty much everyone's neighbours voting for each other. Especially in that region. I for one am not suprised we got points from Ireland for the same reason! XD I was also very surprised that we didn't get any from Malta. I remember when I used to watch Eurovision when I was a kid, we'd pretty much count on Malta voting for us! Anyways I think suggesting that the "Western bloc" break off and produce their own contest is a bit OTT. It shows bad sportsmanship in a way... however I think some of the countries being counted as "Europe" is getting a little bit daft. Some of them are technically part of the Middle East!
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on May 25, 2008 13:52:10 GMT
Israel and Turkey, yeah. Lebanon, Tunisia, Jordan and Morocco are all eligible too, but none of them seem to want to enter because OMG THE ISRAELIS ARE IN IT OH NOES. As for the CIS, I know Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and some of Russia are part of Europe, and I think Belarus and Ukraine are too? Georgia and Armenia are pushing it, and Azerbaijan is in Asia.
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Post by Ben / Rio on May 25, 2008 14:00:52 GMT
Dreams of an Absolution's had a commericial release though - so it can't be in Eurovision. Dems da rules. True, but I wasn't suggesting we enter THAT song. I'm just saying Bentley Jones is about to release an album and I would love to try and generate a bit of buzz if at all possible. I've already done the stupid thing and suggested the idea to him via a message through Myspace, but I presented a convincing case in the letter instead of being unrealistic. I haven't recieved a reply yet and its been about a week, but something tells me he might not have got the original message because it wasn't in my sent folder, and it says those messages get deleted after 2 weeks. I didn't send it that long ago, I'm sure. But either way I've written a follow up so we'll see if I get anything. If you go to the link I put up on the previous page and check out his album sampler, I think you'll see where I'm coming from. It's the sort of music that could do well in both the charts and Eurovision, and if Lordi can win Eurovision and get a big fanbase among the geeks, goths n' gamers etc. I think Bentley would be a stellar choice to represent us in Moscow next year. If enough people like the idea, I may start a petition. But I'm not gonna be hasty. First off, I'll see if I get a reply from him on Myspace.
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Post by Pombar on May 25, 2008 14:01:54 GMT
I watched, I laughed, I bored.
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Post by metric on May 25, 2008 14:04:27 GMT
Israel and Turkey, yeah. Lebanon, Tunisia, Jordan and Morocco are all eligible too, but none of them seem to want to enter because OMG THE ISRAELIS ARE IN IT OH NOES. Honestly, it annoys me that Israel are in it -- among other countries, considering that they're not in Europe. Though Dana International was my favourite Eurovision person ever up until the crazy Austrian guy singing about Adam and Eve a few years ago.
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Post by Rafael on May 25, 2008 14:29:35 GMT
Honestly, it annoys me that Israel are in it -- among other countries, considering that they're not in Europe. Eurovision is organised by the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) meaning members of the union and its associates can part-take, which includes Israel (in addition to countries in Africa and South America). It's not a requirement to be part of Europe to take part, it is however, a requirement to be part of the said Europe-based Union. Israel and Turkey, yeah. Lebanon, Tunisia, Jordan and Morocco are all eligible too, but none of them seem to want to enter because OMG THE ISRAELIS ARE IN IT OH NOES. . Yeah, I think the exact reason Lebanon hasn't entered recently is because they were suspended from the contest as they refused to show Israel's song as a few years ago. There's a possibility they might be in next year as they're not no longer suspended as of this year, but I highly doubt they'll rejoin.
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Post by metric on May 25, 2008 14:55:17 GMT
Honestly, it annoys me that Israel are in it -- among other countries, considering that they're not in Europe. Eurovision is organised by the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) meaning members of the union and its associates can part-take, which includes Israel (in addition to countries in Africa and South America). It's not a requirement to be part of Europe to take part, it is however, a requirement to be part of the said Europe-based Union. Yes, I know that, but I still don't agree with it.
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Post by Rafael on May 25, 2008 15:05:21 GMT
Fair enough, but I dont really understand your viewpoint because you're stating that you disagree with them being in the competition because of the fact they're not European, even though being a European country isn't an entry requirement
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Post by metric on May 25, 2008 15:08:17 GMT
Because I think that the Eurovision Song Contest should be for the European countries. Whether it's an entry-requirement or not isn't my point, my point is that if it's supposedly for Europe, then out-of-continent countries should go and make their own competition.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on May 25, 2008 15:19:04 GMT
That was my reasoning, however I didn't know about the Broadcasting Union eligibility. Again, what would countries that are not geographically (because I don't want to sound like a racist git... its not my thang! ) in Europe want with broadcasting in European countries? It surely can't be solely to get into the Song Contest?! XD
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Post by Rafael on May 25, 2008 15:26:48 GMT
I guess that with a title like 'eurovision' you would assume it's purely aimed at European-based countries, but I think if it was just to be aimed solely at the countries of Europe, you'd probably have to get someone else to organise it, and most likely they'd be issues over who actually broadcasts it and such. Plus, when you think about it, it could be really tedious in trying to work out who'd qualify, I mean, at least with how it's currently decided it's reasonably straightforward, but if you were going to organise it so only European countries would take part tonnes of rediculous claims would probably be made, like 'Since Norway isn't part of the EU it shouldn't partake' (not that I'm saying EU status has anything to do with European status, it's just an example). That was my reasoning, however I didn't know about the Broadcasting Union eligibility. Again, what would countries that are not geographically (because I don't want to sound like a racist git... its not my thang! ) in Europe want with broadcasting in European countries? It surely can't be solely to get into the Song Contest?! XD Well...I'm sure on UK television you have channels that broadcast from foreign networks, like in America they have the BBC showing over there. Plus, I think it's about channels being a member of an overall union, for example the BBC is part of the EBU.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on May 25, 2008 15:29:45 GMT
Ahh I see... like all the foreign channels you can get on satellite and cable. Yeah, I understand now.
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Post by metric on May 25, 2008 15:32:22 GMT
Not sure as to how it'd be difficult to broadcast -- the EBU and their partner stations can still broadcast it, just restrict membership to the actual competition to actual European countries. It's shown on different channels in each country anyway.
It could also be really easy working out who'd quality -- countries in Europe. You can either pick Europe as a continent, or the EU and all member states. It's that simple. Norway can enter in the first instance, but not the second.
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Post by Rafael on May 25, 2008 15:47:52 GMT
Not sure as to how it'd be difficult to broadcast -- the EBU and their partner stations can still broadcast it, just restrict membership to the actual competition to actual European countries. It's shown on different channels in each country anyway. The EBU probably would be more reluctant in doing so, because the countries that are part of it (including the non-European countries) have to pay towards it. As a result, it'd be pretty harsh to say 'No you can't partake regardless of the fact your helping us as a union maintain ourselves'. The reason it's shown in different channels in each country is because those channels are members of the EBU. Well, if you're doing it in terms of EU, you're only left with 27 countries, that's a big drop from 40-something (also removes some countries such as Iceland, Russia, Switzerland, Turkey, and Moldova); and if you do it that method you'd have to welcome French Guiana (which is part of South America). I suppose you could just say 'only those from the continent', but then it could end up with arguments of 'only those on the continent', which is like me saying my country has more right to be in Eurovision than the UK, Ireland or Iceland does.
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Post by Nab on May 25, 2008 18:16:55 GMT
Israel and Turkey, yeah. Lebanon, Tunisia, Jordan and Morocco are all eligible too, but none of them seem to want to enter because OMG THE ISRAELIS ARE IN IT OH NOES. As for the CIS, I know Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and some of Russia are part of Europe, and I think Belarus and Ukraine are too? Georgia and Armenia are pushing it, and Azerbaijan is in Asia. Morocco isn't in it because the only time they entered they came last and their King had a hissy fit and banned them from entering again. It doesn’t really matter whether they’re European or not, it’s a contest where different countries come together to compete and have some fun. Except it’s not fun anymore, nor is it even any kind of competition. If it’s not going to be fair, why should we waste our licence fee on it?
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Post by Moo on May 25, 2008 19:01:21 GMT
I think if non-europeans can enter because theyre part of some broadcasting thing then they might as well make it global.
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