JJ
Script Hume
Bit of a hack, really.
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Post by JJ on Aug 8, 2010 14:17:25 GMT
I really tried to get out to this one, but events conspired against me and everything somehow converged on yesterday - maybe next year. I can't stand Crush 40 either, but surely the highlights were meeting each other, Nigel Dobbyn, his new artwork and being among the first in the country to play Sonic 4 and Colours? Because those were the reasons I wanted to go.
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Post by ShayMay on Aug 8, 2010 14:18:41 GMT
It's not an entirely fair reason. Using your logic, I assume Ellie was wanting an "IMO" there as well. So naturally, C40 would be the highlight for her. L.T. Dangerous then came in and said that it's depressing that C40 was Ellie's highlight, despite the fact that it's her opinion.
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Post by madhair60 on Aug 8, 2010 14:35:10 GMT
no he didn't
he said that if it was "the" highlight it would be depressing for him
that is clearly what he meant and in no way worth pulling apgod [censored] damnit i'm in hell
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Post by Mark on Aug 8, 2010 14:50:06 GMT
no he didn't he said that if it was "the" highlight it would be depressing for him that is clearly what he meant and in no way worth pulling apgod [censored] damnit i'm in hell Yeah, he said if they were THE highlight, they'd be depressing for HIM. I'm not gonna try and tie him to a stake for saying he wouldn't enjoy a Crush 40 concert, it's just not his thing. There was always the act of Sonic 4 we got to play. And Stu, you probably shouldn't have to add "imo", but that's more out of the fact that it's fairly obvious to most when an opinion is presented. It's all relative, depends on why you went, I'm sure if Dangerous went he would have a different idea of what THE highlight was. Like JJ was saying, meeting people was the main highlight for many. Probably for me too, but Sonic 4 was there which I was after. And I liked Crush40, but I some people don't, and some people like it TOO [censored]ING MUCH, especially that fangirl who I told to shut up because she was trying to scream at Johnny but failed to realise she was screaming IN MY EAR.
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Post by ShayMay on Aug 8, 2010 15:04:26 GMT
if that was really the high point, that's quite depressing. That comes across to me as "I think it depressing that people find Crush 40 to be the highlight of SoS", rather than "it would be depressing for me if Crush 40 were my highlight". That was what I was basing my argument on. I don't know where this "IMO" argument came from, I never even mentioned it. Although, again, I've probably misread the comment.
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Post by projectzuel on Aug 8, 2010 15:11:52 GMT
I think the highlight for me was being able to meet the STC-O staff in person, though only a few were there; Mike, Pete and Stiv if I remember. I may be a newbie but I would of been honoured if you let me watch over the table . I was also extremely happy not just to get some new artwork off Mr Dobbyn but also a free sketch! Seriously I'm going to get my sketch of Sonic mounted! Getting to talk to Dobbyn about his work and art techniques was also cool. Meeting Elson Wong again was fun since he's such a upbeat guy (the opposite of me) but I didn't get a chance to buy one of his graphic novels. I am interested in knowing why Wong could sell his stuff but we at STC-O couldn't sell our stuff. Maybe next year. Seeing people take pictures of my paintings on the art wall was also a great feeling, even though looking back they were pretty bad paintings; left them at SOS at the end of the day as I didn't see much point in taking them back. Only got to play Sonic 4 which was fun, though I'll comment on it's flaws another time. Sonic Colours queue was too long and thus I never got a chance to play it before it closed which is a damn shame. The only downside to the event was the heat. No windows and the door being so far away, alongside hundreds of people meant an agravating humidity. This meant by the time Crush 40 started playing I was just too tired to get into it. Then again I'm not a huge Crush 40 fan. Still it was the best experience I've had this year and I can't wait for next year!
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Post by madhair60 on Aug 8, 2010 15:22:43 GMT
if that was really the high point, that's quite depressing. That comes across to me as "I think it depressing that people find Crush 40 to be the highlight of SoS" I fail to see the issue
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Post by ShayMay on Aug 8, 2010 15:26:42 GMT
So you find it depressing that people like Crush 40?
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Post by Mark on Aug 8, 2010 15:28:33 GMT
Well of course you wouldn't, you don't like Crush 40. But I hate to break it to you, Stu, but neither mine, shay, LT. Dangerous or anyone's opinion is the golden law of the universe.
Also I'll let the fact that Crush 40's announcement brought more attendees then it would've if they hadn't been there speak for it's self.
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Post by madhair60 on Aug 8, 2010 15:36:01 GMT
What the [censored] are you two talking about?
What is objectionable about someone saying "I think it depressing that people find Crush 40 to be the highlight of SoS"? There's no malice or hostility, just an expression of the individual's taste. Nothing has been taken away from anyone.
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Post by ShayMay on Aug 8, 2010 15:42:22 GMT
What is objectionable about someone saying "I think it depressing that people find Crush 40 to be the highlight of SoS"? There's no malice or hostility, just an expression of the individual's taste. Nothing has been taken away from anyone. No, but it suggests a very totalitarian frame of mind. "Everybody can have opinions, but if they differ from my opinions, it is depressing" is only a step from "Everyone can have opinions, but if they differ from my opinions, they are WRONG."
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Post by madhair60 on Aug 8, 2010 15:45:26 GMT
Or it suggests "I dislike this so strongly the concept of it being liked/popular is depressing", and we of course know (being adults) that he doesn't mean "depressing" in the sense of actually suffering depression.
Also, being a step from something is entirely distinct from that same something. Innocence is a step from guilt.
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Post by Pete on Aug 8, 2010 15:55:03 GMT
What is objectionable about someone saying "I think it depressing that people find Crush 40 to be the highlight of SoS"? There's no malice or hostility, just an expression of the individual's taste. Nothing has been taken away from anyone. It's the equivilant of walking into a room, complaining, then storming off, leaving everyone else with a sour taste. In any case, I enjoyed the day. Stiv, Drew, Mike and myself were able to sneak in early and set up our table, as well as making a bee line for the Sonic 4 booth. It played alright, certainly fun for a few minutes, but the swinging on the vines on Splash Hills Zone, Act 2 was infuriatingly difficult. I am concerned about this being episodic- even when I was messing about, I completed the levels in under 3 minutes; if the whole game is like that, then how long will it take me to complete Episode 1? Crush 40 were indeed pretty good, even if they aren't to everyone's taste. At least they were in tune, which, in my opinion, is quite rare when seeing performers live. There was good interaction with the crowds, and they played for a good hour. The STCO guys all went up on stage towards the end, and got Nigel Dobbyn to pick names out of a bag to win print versions of STCO 224, which was pretty nervewracking, but we got some winners. Personally, I picked up two Tracey Yardley pieces, the Zachary/ Knuckles and Decap Attack print of Nigel, as well as an original STC page.
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Post by ShayMay on Aug 8, 2010 16:00:28 GMT
Or it suggests "I dislike this so strongly the concept of it being liked/popular is depressing", and we of course know (being adults) that he doesn't mean "depressing" in the sense of actually suffering depression. Which is a horrible attitude. I'm not saying that's what L.T. Dangerous meant, but if it is (and that appears to be the stance you're taking, at least), it seems very immature. For example, I hate Lucky Star. As in, I can't watch it, believe me, I've tried. But do I call you up on your liking it? No. Because I know that everyone has different opinions, and things I find abhorrent, others love. It's a fact of life, and even getting remotely sad (yes, I know he's using hyperbole) is just a ludicrous waste of time. Glad you had a good time, Pete. Besides C40 and the STC regulars, anyone else of note there?
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Post by madhair60 on Aug 8, 2010 16:13:05 GMT
Or it suggests "I dislike this so strongly the concept of it being liked/popular is depressing", and we of course know (being adults) that he doesn't mean "depressing" in the sense of actually suffering depression. Which is a horrible attitude. I'm not saying that's what L.T. Dangerous meant, but if it is (and that appears to be the stance you're taking, at least), it seems very immature. For example, I hate Lucky Star. As in, I can't watch it, believe me, I've tried. But do I call you up on your liking it? No. Because I know that everyone has different opinions, and things I find abhorrent, others love. It's a fact of life, and even getting remotely sad (yes, I know he's using hyperbole) is just a ludicrous waste of time. This discussion is a ludicrous waste of time, because the conflict is invented. It's fiction. Nobody has been called out for anything at any point. If he'd come in and said "Crush 40 is bad and you should feel bad" I'd understand the response that it's received. He didn't and I expect he meant nothing more than an expression of his own opinion in his own context. Nothing objectionable, no personal slights, no indication of some sort of totalitarianism. The response is bizarre and slightly troubling.
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Post by Pete on Aug 8, 2010 16:14:53 GMT
Glad you had a good time, Pete. Besides C40 and the STC regulars, anyone else of note there? Elson " Darkspeeds" Wong was sitting next to us, but other than that, not really. A number of us were interviewed throughout the day by different people (Sonic Stadium, Nintendo, etc).
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Post by Ellie on Aug 8, 2010 16:17:39 GMT
Just to stop arguments, I'll rephrase. For me, Crush 40 was the highlight of the day, but I did say there was so much to do there, I just didn't want to go into a huge post. But other great parts, for me and in no particular order, were playing sonic 4 and sonic colours, chatting with Nigel Dobbyn, and seeing some friends and meeting new ones. All in all, the day was great and I just hope everybody who went had as much of a great day as I did.
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Post by madhair60 on Aug 8, 2010 16:22:10 GMT
Deal - though no-one's insinuating you've caused the wee argument. At least, not that I noticed.
I'd like to see some better photos, or a more in-depth blow-by-blow of the day.
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Post by Beeth on Aug 8, 2010 16:26:43 GMT
I'd like to see some better photos Seconded. Someone must've had a camera with them that day.
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Post by ShayMay on Aug 8, 2010 17:32:34 GMT
This discussion is a ludicrous waste of time, because the conflict is invented. It's fiction. Nobody has been called out for anything at any point. I called out L.T. Dangerous, for a post that I thought downplayed others' opinions. You then argued with me for half a page. That is a conflict within itself. Which has now ended. Sorry. I'd just like to say I have no problem with madhair60 or L.T. Dangerous, or their opinions of Crush 40. I just have a problem if someone has a problem with my opinion of Crush 40.
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Post by Badly-Drawn Manchild on Aug 8, 2010 18:47:49 GMT
I've been back a couple of hours and I'm very tired. I think that if I'd been there as a bog-standard visitor it's likely I would've left after a couple of hours; getting stuck in queues drives me crazy, and honestly I'm not invested in the franchise as a whole (my interests in it stretch to STC and the older games, and that's about it). I dunno; actually working at the stand made it more fun for me somehow. I'm just disappointed that my photos and videos didn't turn out so well; my camera's absolute garbage.
Oh, and if there's a next time I'm definitely looking for a better hotel room, even if it costs an arm and a leg.
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Post by The Stiv™ on Aug 8, 2010 20:36:16 GMT
ProjectZuel, I'm sorry I don't think I saw you all day! You would've been welcome to join us at the table, mate.
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Post by Super Sonic on Aug 8, 2010 20:36:57 GMT
were r pics dammit
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Aug 8, 2010 22:02:29 GMT
Woah, holy [censored], I didn't mean to cause a huge argument there. To put it as clearly as I can: I don't hate Crush 40, even though I wouldn't specifically go out of my way to see them (and they're behind one of the most ridiculous songs in Sonic history in the Sonic Heroes theme), I just thought if they were legitimately the highlight of the entire day that's a bit upsetting. I was speaking as someone who didn't go and, thus, working under the assumption that people were by and large in agreement over Crush 40 being the best bit of the day. Given there were playable demos of upcoming games, a real proper STC icon in attendance and all sorts of fun bits, it's just the notion that Crush 40 outdid all those things that somewhat flabbergasted me.
In hindsight, I shouldn't have assumed (we all know the old saying there) and it is clear now Ellie was talking about her personal favourite bit of the day. Which is absolutely fine and I can see why my reaction could have been seen as smarmy or uncalled for, especially after I was a bit of a miserable [censored] a few pages back. I can assure you this wasn't my intent, though I don't have any grievance with Shay's response because his interpretation of my comments justifies his reaction entirely. If I've upset anyone then I do apologise.
I am, of course, glad that anyone who enjoyed the day did enjoy it, it's nice to know it went down well, even though it sounds like the heat was a major issue.
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Post by ShayMay on Aug 8, 2010 22:11:54 GMT
Dude, 's cool, I was the one at fault there, methinks.
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