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Post by madhair60 on Jan 16, 2011 14:17:56 GMT
Watch it in at least 720p
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Post by ShayMay on Jan 16, 2011 14:45:04 GMT
Marvelous.
Prolly won't be able to play it, but it looks awesome nonetheless.
I don't like saying "Sega, take notes", 'cos it sounds so... "Sega can't do anything right bawww", but this does feel a lot more like a professional effort.
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Post by Beeth on Jan 16, 2011 15:23:38 GMT
I watched it in 1080p.
It blew my [censored]ing mind.
It is a fantastic effort nonetheless, though I can't help thinking Sonic 3 would've been a better candidate for this. Looks a bit laggy, so I'll have to wait and see for how it would fare on the laptop.
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Post by Alex on Jan 16, 2011 15:37:14 GMT
I could have sworn I had a big ol' post on this forum somewhere about how comparing fan games to official games is absolutely ludicrous, but I can't find it.
Either way, key points are:
1) Fan games have no schedule, no publisher commitments and absolutely no input from people who say "what sells best when". Official games do, and it unavoidably affects what the output can be.
2) A different vision /=/ a worse one. It's just different. These guys are remaking Sonic 2, DIMPs were out to make a new game that was essentially a pastiche of the whole gamut of classic Sonic titles. It's comparing apples to oranges - they're both fruit, but they're totally different things.
I'm not in any way saying that this doesn't look like a great effort ('cos it does), or saying that Sonic 4 is a fantastic game ('cos it's not) - but comparing the two is meaningless - especially since the chances of this fan game ever actually being completed are slim to none, just like all the rest of them.
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Post by Tom J on Jan 16, 2011 17:48:39 GMT
Sonic Fan Remix impressed me, but S2HD just looks like Flash. Things like the palm tree tops and the island in the distance look nice, while Sonic himself looks awful ( screen). Mind you, I've always thought Sonic 2 looked bland as [censored] for the most part anyway. It seems as soon as they could make bits of level out of tiny tiles (instead of the large blocks in Sonic 1) that they figured "sod cohesion" and littered them randomly. |
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Post by Moo on Jan 16, 2011 18:15:57 GMT
It looks a bit...smooth. I mean its obviously quite good, but eh. Sonic 2 isn't my forté, so had it been 1 or 3 I'd probably be a lot more into it. But I look forward to seeing what they do to the special stage, anything is an improvement with regards to that.
Edit: I love the title graphics and stuff though.
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Post by madhair60 on Jan 16, 2011 20:44:25 GMT
2) A different vision /=/ a worse one.  It does if the vision is worse. |
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Post by Alex on Jan 16, 2011 20:58:17 GMT
Honestly, for Sonic 4, I don't think it really was. It was a good idea and they took it to some interesting places - but they made a bunch of dumb decisions along the road in doing so.
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Post by Retro on Jan 17, 2011 1:32:56 GMT
The thing that stood out to me.
The end title card.
That Sonic and Tails logo is beautiful.
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Post by Pinchetel on Jan 17, 2011 8:04:35 GMT
Okay, so where is this fangame that's better than Sonic 4? All I'm seeing is Sonic 2 with a weird intro.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jan 17, 2011 9:47:06 GMT
It has to be said - more love in this than Sonic 4.
But I still cant help thinking they are gonna get to oil ocean and think [censored] this.
And its still a bit of a odd starting point: Sonic 2 HD? Why not Sonic 1 or CD?
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Post by Nam on Jan 17, 2011 10:56:13 GMT
And its still a bit of a odd starting point: Sonic 2 HD? Why not Sonic 1 or CD? IIRC, This project was inspired by an image of the final boss of Sonic 2 on deviantArt done in HD. Since that was the inspiration for the HD remake, they went with that game first. |
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Post by The KKM on Jan 17, 2011 12:25:45 GMT
Hah, I still remember when they released the proof-of-concept.
It required more Computer-power than CRYSIS.
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Post by madhair60 on Jan 17, 2011 14:57:17 GMT
Okay, so where is this fangame that's better than Sonic 4? All I'm seeing is Sonic 2 with a weird intro. Are you saying Sonic 2 is inferior to Sonic 4? Are you suggesting that, as a remake, this has less worth than Sonic 4? Either way you're mad, of course; a maniac, even. I didn't really lay into STCO's Sonic 4 review, heinously wrong as it was, because it was generally well-written and argued. However, Sonic 4 is bad and if you like it then you like bad games. |
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Post by Moo on Jan 17, 2011 17:02:23 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jan 17, 2011 17:19:50 GMT
The thing that stood out to me. The end title card. That Sonic and Tails logo is beautiful. I really have to echo this. Presumably this is a team effort rather than a single person, but either way, whoever worked on that really needs to be getting some professional work. Now. |
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Post by The Stiv™ on Jan 17, 2011 18:20:09 GMT
But I look forward to seeing what they do to the special stage, anything is an improvement with regards to that.  This was a mockup with transparent tubes that seems to be gaining ground. |
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Post by Pinchetel on Jan 17, 2011 19:39:52 GMT
Okay, so where is this fangame that's better than Sonic 4? All I'm seeing is Sonic 2 with a weird intro. Are you saying Sonic 2 is inferior to Sonic 4? Are you suggesting that, as a remake, this has less worth than Sonic 4? Either way you're mad, of course; a maniac, even. Sonic 2 is my favourite Sonic game ever. However, how the heck Sonic 2 can be defined as a fangame is beyond me. When trying to argue, try harder. Actually, no; I need to save that advice for the developers of the fangame which looks exactly the same as the official game. |
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Post by Alex on Jan 17, 2011 19:40:57 GMT
Um. That's the point. If it didn't look like Sonic 2, then it would be a pretty [censored] remake.
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Post by Pinchetel on Jan 17, 2011 19:42:37 GMT
It's supposed to have improved graphics though, apparently. Which is something I can't actually see.
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Post by ShayMay on Jan 17, 2011 19:50:18 GMT
It's a fangame because they have to program the whole thing from scratch, it's not a hacked Mega Drive Rom.
It's more of a fangame than "Amy in Sonic 1", or such tripe, which is a sprite edit.
Also, I know it will be better than Sonic 4* gameplay-wise.
So therefore, it is a fangame that is better than Sonic 4.
Calling something better because it isn't a remake isn't a great argument. If I had a Mars Bar, and then went to the shop the next day, I'd still want a Mars Bar over a Crunchie.
Also, the graphics are excellent, it really looks like a HD Sonic 2. I don't see your problem, personally.
*I previously preferred Sonic 4 to Sonic 1 and 2; this is no longer the case. After playing them back-to-back, all the way through, Sonic 4 doesn't hold up, really.
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Post by Alex on Jan 17, 2011 19:51:22 GMT
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Post by Pinchetel on Jan 17, 2011 19:54:32 GMT
But it's still the same game with barely anything to differentiate it from the original, Mega Drive rom or not.
I don't mind remakes if they actually DO bring something new to the table and differentiate themselves. This is not doing that for me. I know a lot of people like this project, but I know a low of people see this as a lazy effort for three years of work, myself included.
Edit: As I've said elsewhere, goodie, lighter hues, a lazy effort at a background and a stupid looking Sonic. Whoop-de-freakin-doo, will people stop spamming screenshots, it's slowing down my browsing.
Just for the record, I'm not exactly holding Sonic 4 on a shining pedestal, either. I found that mediocre.
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Post by ShayMay on Jan 17, 2011 19:57:08 GMT
A LAZY EFFORT?!
They've spent an inordinate amount of time, for no money, on this, for your entertainment. Dislike it and criticise it, by all means, but this is anything but lazy.
When making an argument, make sense.
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Post by Alex on Jan 17, 2011 20:01:01 GMT
You really do not understand how games are made then. Just because it's based on an existing game doesn't mean that the programming can just be copied and pasted or that all the art can just be dumped from the original into the new one.
All that stuff must be made again, from scratch (although when it comes to art and models, generally, there's some corners that can be cut depending on the production itself) and that takes time and effort. Even for fan games.
Just because they have a template in terms of the design of the game, that doesn't mean they're being lazy and copypastaing. There's a lot of work that has to go into any remake of any game, whether that be a fan game or a professional game.
I don't hold out any hope for the idea that this game will ever be completed, but in no way could I ever describe the work put into it as being 'lazy'.
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