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Post by ChaosX3 on Mar 5, 2004 16:29:51 GMT
There has been a lot of confussion in CD:1 between Super Sonic being on topic to Sonic. He isn't.
So I made CD:1.5, Sonic and a half, Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic. This is just a mini-thread on discussing the 2 uber forms of Sonic.
Questions to ask yourself: Sega's Super Sonic or StC's Super Sonic? Should Hyper Sonic have more of an appearance? Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? Should Hyper Sonic be in StC? Should Super Sonic be a bad guy in the Sonic game? Who should the next character discussion be on?
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Post by Omega Wants Cake on Mar 5, 2004 17:01:31 GMT
My opinions.
Sega's Super Sonic or StC's Super Sonic? Definetely Stc, for a start he's more cooler, he's also immensly powerfull and uncontrolable, he gave Sonic this dark side that is missing from all the other versions.
Should Hyper Sonic have more of an appearance? Dunno really, it really depends on the time and place. One or two appearences would have done for me, just to see how he would of been handled, I kind of think Hyper should be this combination of Super and Sonic's personality, both battling for control of there body.
Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? No. They should definetly remain as one, it provides a lot more tension and potential into the story. Super got some nice bits when he was seperatted. But its more better I feel to keep him as Sonic's Demon.
Should Hyper Sonic be in StC? Would be nice, but it might be too much of a fan service now. Still, it depends on how he's handled...
Should Super Sonic be a bad guy in the Sonic game? Absolutely. Out with all this Super Saiyan Smeg, give us the Demonic Super already!
Who should the next character discussion be on? If its STC only. Grimer.
If not. E-123 Omega "cough" (well who else talks about him)
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Post by ChaosX3 on Mar 5, 2004 17:16:15 GMT
Sweet awesome, but you could've thrown in som comments of your own if you wanted.
And I think I'll do my next one on Omega, if I'm not out-voted. Grimer's not REALLY all that important. If you want, set one of him up in the Comic Zone- I think it would look better there.
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Post by Omega 2 on Mar 15, 2004 22:53:06 GMT
I loved playing as Hyper Sonic on Sonic 3 & Knuckles. WHY DON'T SEGA BRING HIM BACK?!?!?!? As for Hyper Sonic being in StC, they could do him as another Alter-Ego. While Sonic is a hero who will do what's right and Super's a demon who will destroy anything in sight. Hyper could be confused and doesn't know whats wrong or right. I don't want him to be like Super otherwise it would be the end of the universe. And I don't want him to be like Sonic or else all evil on Mobius would be eradicated and its all over too quickly. But does anyone else have any better suggestions?
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 15, 2004 23:14:59 GMT
I thought it'd be interesting if Hyper Sonic was kind of like a child. He'd be mute so wouldn't be able to talk and wouldn't really have a complete concept of right and wrong but he'd have more of Sonic's good character rather than Supers demented one. So maybe there'd be some major battle going on, Sonic would go Hyper but then wouldn't do anything but sit back and watch. But maybe he'd have snippets of Sonic & Supers memory so he may, when he sees certain people, decide to help them or hurt them. I reckon he'd be kinda playful too so this crazy battle's going on around him and his looking at flowers or doing hand stands lol until some badnik blasts him in his face and decides to bonk it on the head XD
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Post by WAW the Zonerunner on Mar 16, 2004 0:25:25 GMT
Sega's Super Sonic or StC's Super Sonic? StC's version hands down because 1) the look that he has is just class, agreat variation on Sega's version and 2) I feel that the Sega version never really had much in the way of personality or character to him, he's just a yellow Sonic. StC inputted not only character but one heck of an attitude to him, which made him all the better.
Should Hyper Sonic have more of an appearance? I don't know really. It would be nice in theory, but there's the risk he ends up being used too much and the whole thing will get very boring and predictable.
Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? Ultimately depends on how it's done. Keeping them as one does have it's strengths though.
Should Hyper Sonic be in StC? Personally I don't think so, we've already got Super. And yet, the idea of Sonic and Super splitting again, and Sonic going hyper to try to defeat Super is an interesting idea I wouldn't mind seeing...
Should Super Sonic be a bad guy in the Sonic game? I'd love to see it happen, it would be a refreshing change to the games.
Who should the next character discussion be on? Grimer or the Marxios
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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Mar 16, 2004 13:30:51 GMT
Excuse me? Did you say Grimer isn't rteally important. Anyway... Sega's Super Sonic or StC's Super Sonic? STC. Without a shadow of a doubt.Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? No, not in my mind. I've seen it done once, and though it was fantastic (not in STC but in a fancomic by a firend) it couldn't be done like that again because no one else I've seen is that inventive. Super has to stay in Sonic unless... (See Hyper Sonic question)Should Hyper Sonic be in StC? If he was, then he'd have to be handled very very very very well. I agree with Spydaman. How I see Hyper is like a lost little boy really. Not really understanding what is going on around him. Sonic could be consumed by WAY to much power and become Hyper, but then just not really do anything, until provoked. I don't think he'll play with flowers though. And when he attacks, it'll be over in a flash, because your forgeting, he is Hyper afterall. His power is WAY above Super and Sonic! Hyper Sonic vs Super would be great, pure hate versus a childlike inoscence (mind my spelling). Hyper would have to be handled well. Very very very very etcShould Super Sonic be a bad guy in the Sonic game? Yes, but I doubt he ever will. It would really drive the Sonic games forwards in a new direction, instead of constantly taking it back to the same old places. Maybe the Chaos energy Sonic consumed from Chaos could turn him evil and Shadow would have to save the day!Who should the next character discussion be on? Why... Dr Ivo Robotnik ofcourse!
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 16, 2004 14:38:55 GMT
I dunno if anyone here follows Archie at all I saw a cover on SHQ and a few scans where it seems Super Sonic and Sonic are seperate and Super is going on some sorta galatic rampage. Dunno if anyone's actually read this and can shed some light on it, but was pretty interesting to see and I wouldn't mind knowing the hows, whats and whys And no, he didn't have swirly eyes LOL
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Post by WAW the Zonerunner on Mar 16, 2004 15:13:58 GMT
I dunno if anyone here follows Archie at all I saw a cover on SHQ and a few scans where it seems Super Sonic and Sonic are seperate and Super is going on some sorta galatic rampage. Dunno if anyone's actually read this and can shed some light on it, but was pretty interesting to see and I wouldn't mind knowing the hows, whats and whys And no, he didn't have swirly eyes LOL If I remember right from what I've heard, (though I don't read the comic myself) The story apparently goes that Sonic is lost in some alien world and get aquainted with its inhabitants (exactly how it happens I don't know ) but the world itself is under a constant threat from a powerful monster, and Sonic decides to help protect them. When the monster comes, He discovers that it is in fact Super Sonic on a power trip and the two end up fighting. (duh!) Exactly how it ended I don't know myself, but from where I stand: Archie fans got the chance to see the idea of Super Sonic being nasty, SegaSonic fans got the same chance, And StC fans got to wretch as Archie tries to rip-off the UK comic and make a version of an evil Super Sonic, and fail badly. (IMO) EDIT: I've found a reader review of the comic at Sonic HQ. www.sonichq.org/newsite/comics/comments/sonic/s126.phpThat has a basic over view of the story plot in it.
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 16, 2004 15:59:08 GMT
Okie, read the review, thanks for providing that I have to say, saying that Archie ripped off STC isn't really fair. I think the way they handled it here was pretty interesting with the 6 Red Emeralds making the evil super sonic. And the idea that after awhile he simply vanishes, rejoining with Sonic is pretty cool. Yeah it's possible Archie got the idea from STC but at least they didn't do an out and out copy and actually did something different.
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Post by Thalia on Mar 17, 2004 15:30:32 GMT
Questions to ask yourself: Sega's Super Sonic or StC's Super Sonic? STC. Definately.
Should Hyper Sonic have more of an appearance? Hmmm... nah. You can have too much Chaos.
Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? Heck yes, that'd be much more fun. Although I doubt it'll happen. That's what fanfics are for *smirk*
Should Hyper Sonic be in StC? Only if Sonic & Super got separated again....
Should Super Sonic be a bad guy in the Sonic game? Yup yup.
Who should the next character discussion be on? Dunno.
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Post by Retro on Mar 17, 2004 21:05:40 GMT
To be honest I kinda prefered the idea of a Super Sonic that has differant personalities. For example; I the now famous (and widely used for examples) story "Running Wild" Sonic is bombarded with pure Chaos energy in the Emerald Chamber, all that Chaos gets to his mind and he becomes evil with Chaos power.
But!
In the older stories when he goes Super it is the pressure of the moment and a lesser degree of Chaos energy that is left in him that changes him. In this state the observer may notice that he is a little more in control, although not nessesarily a good guy.
So I in a way believe that SS becomes more evil the more chaos energy he absorbs, so doesnt that raise the question, what about purified Chaos energy, it is possible, the now defunct Grey emerald had a hidden power to neutralise the evil energy of the emeralds without reducing theire power. Do the math and yiou can see a way to get BOTH Super Sonic's in!
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Post by Dimension on Mar 18, 2004 14:18:57 GMT
Questions to ask yourself: Sega's Super Sonic or StC's Super Sonic? STC, for all the reason's already said by others Should Hyper Sonic have more of an appearance? Yes, it would be great to see super get a right kicking at hyper's hands (uh, paws?) heh, might shave off a bit of his confidence too, though that's probably a bad thing Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? No, it worked once, for it to happen again would, for me take all impact out of what might happen, we've seen sonic and super fight, why see it again? Should Hyper Sonic be in StC? Yup, I think so, I would be more interested to see super Knuckles first though, he's got enough of a competetive streak as is Should Super Sonic be a bad guy in the Sonic game? No, if he were bad in the game it would generally mean that control of him would be stolen and it would mean that any more doomsday imitation zones, which are normally fun IMHO, would be removed Who should the next character discussion be on? other super characters, weeeeee! Oh lright, Tails then, I wanna know how peeps see his general uselessness or his new found confidence as affecting the comic
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Post by Ellie on Mar 18, 2004 20:55:20 GMT
i have to say, Hyper Sonic was very cool in the games, but I don't see him in the comics working because how could it? super sonic is already powerful enough and he's always getting worse, I do remember a few years ago writing my own story where sonic turned Hyper and went even more psyco than super but I was young and my writing was bad and it was before super went totally nuts and tried to kill amy. as for super/hyper knuckes and super tails, I don't think its necesary for STC.
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Post by Ben2k9 on Mar 18, 2004 21:52:44 GMT
besides, how would you do him flashing all colours?
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Post by ChaosX3 on Mar 18, 2004 22:26:13 GMT
Not flashing, but have him looking like a rainbow hog.
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 19, 2004 0:30:55 GMT
Thalia did a pretty good Hyper Sonic concept. Can find it in here Devart somewhere Me, I'd make him a Nazo sorta colour
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Post by Omega Wants Cake on Mar 19, 2004 1:05:25 GMT
A sort of shiney releflective chrome like colour perhaps...
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Post by d3k on Mar 19, 2004 23:56:06 GMT
Give me an example of when hyper sonic came please? because I have no idea who it is
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Post by Retro on Mar 22, 2004 0:42:20 GMT
You obviously havent played Sonic 3 & K enough my friend, Hyper Sonic's only appearance to date was in that game when you got all 14 emeralds. Then he would replace super, and god was he cool. *Plays Hyper Sonic on his emulater again and promptly headbutts the screen in annoyance when HS's speed takes him off a cliff*
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Post by tucker on Mar 22, 2004 19:43:57 GMT
Sega's Super Sonic or StC's Super Sonic? stc's
Should Hyper Sonic have more of an appearance? Yep definatly I hyper sonic is an interesting angle that hasn't been explored yet
Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? Only in a hyper sonic related storyline
Should Hyper Sonic be in StC? Yep for the reasons in answer to the question 'Should Hyper Sonic have more of an appearance?'
Should Super Sonic be a bad guy in the Sonic game? Yes that would be cool being as Super is way more powerful than Sonic
Who should the next character discussion be on? er.... dunno
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Post by supersonicjim on Mar 22, 2004 22:41:02 GMT
a different colour each cell would work, but theres not enough emeralds thanks to Robotnik and knuckles fusing the floating islands and sonic and co's, undoubtly theres a plot hole anyway.
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Post by Thalia on Mar 23, 2004 13:59:57 GMT
If I remember right from what I've heard, (though I don't read the comic myself) The story apparently goes that Sonic is lost in some alien world and get aquainted with its inhabitants (exactly how it happens I don't know ) but the world itself is under a constant threat from a powerful monster, and Sonic decides to help protect them. When the monster comes, He discovers that it is in fact Super Sonic on a power trip and the two end up fighting. (duh!) Exactly how it ended I don't know myself, but from where I stand: Archie fans got the chance to see the idea of Super Sonic being nasty, SegaSonic fans got the same chance, And StC fans got to wretch as Archie tries to rip-off the UK comic and make a version of an evil Super Sonic, and fail badly. (IMO) I have that story. It was a complete ripoff, right down to Super's pointy teeth. Just a one parter though, which ripoff or not was still a shame- it was still the most interesting story i've seen in Archie for a while. And now six STC characters have appeared in the comic, right after a story arc where Sonic disappears for a while and returns to find Robotnik in control of Mobius... Do I sense a theme happening, here?
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Post by Thalia on Mar 23, 2004 14:04:14 GMT
Should Sonic and Super Sonic split again in StC? No, it worked once, for it to happen again would, for me take all impact out of what might happen, we've seen sonic and super fight, why see it again? Well, it could be a different sort of fight. If the good Super was around, can you imagine the character interaction we could have going on between him and Sonic? *drools* Sonic having a blazing row with himself.... It'd be great....
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Post by Thalia on Mar 23, 2004 14:06:03 GMT
A sort of shiney releflective chrome like colour perhaps... My 'STC-style' Hyper Sonic was pure white, with a multicoloured energy aura and amber eyes.... heh. I used silver for Super Shadow...
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