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Post by Pitt on Jul 21, 2007 9:32:36 GMT
Which would explain why an influential, charismatic, politically savvy villain could probably do so well.
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Post by Prowler on Jul 22, 2007 11:12:45 GMT
True. This is what I think is needed. Hey enslaving the whole planet wasn't too morbid, right? We need a desperate situation that is not going to be solved by a few story arcs, we need some sort of situation that continues to affect everything, even story arcs not directly about it. Such as in Sonic's world, you had crazy unique situations, such as Tails helping that screaming kid get home. But you had the Robotnik rule overall, and even if something didn't involve Robotnik, or even a single badnik, you KNEW they were there, and it took away some of the icing on the cake. Don't misread me, that was GOOD. At any moment Troopers could bash through the door, or put a stop to whatever you're planning. They could generally **** up any situation, or just porivde the correct ingredient needed at that time. Say if some kid never respected Amy. A few badniks capture the kid, and Amy rescued him, he starts to respect her. You could drag the story out, make it about anything, but the fact that the badniks/Robotnik is there to use and interweave just makes it that much more richer. In faCT, YOU had to usually think about them any time something was done. If you started up a business, would the Troopers turn up at the doorstep demanding tax? If you tried to stop a bank robbery, would the troopers arrest you too, for the fun of it? Plus you had the inevitable enviromental effects, such as pollution, and acid rain.... There was nothing that really seemed to fill every corner quite like when Robotnik was ruling mobius. Yes, there have been stories after that where the whole world is at stake, but that's not quite the same...if you know what I mean. Heck, you still had that while Robotnik was ruler, he had to ask Sonic to help out. Then he'd betray him, or somehow try to turn the situation to his advantage, maybe capture an emerald or two in the process.....I know, I know, we've already seen all this, theres no need to revisit new ground, I'm just explaining the way I felt about the Dr. R. rule at that time. Y'know.... I think what you've explained there, could actually fit what Sonic thought when Knuckles suggested that Sonic can retire now [of course, *after* he called Knux a "Smart Alec", lol ;D] in issue 104.
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Post by Prowler on Jul 22, 2007 11:25:12 GMT
Anyway, what about something from Shanazaar?
I don't want it to go into the idiotic 'Superhero Zone'-type themes, but instead bring out something really interesting from there. Seen as it's basically AN ENTIRE PLANET that's merged with Mobius, we've only seen possibly less than 5% of the whole planet [depending on the size of it, I guess]!
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Post by Raxadian on Jul 22, 2007 22:07:29 GMT
As it is the prerogative of noobs and the slow-witted to get threads back on topic... Is nobody interested in Sidewinder+co? My personal favorites from the STC when I was younger (aside from the freedom fighters obviously!), they had that thing of being a totally weird antidote to either Robotnik's mechanical armies or some standard-issue criminal like Nack or Fleabyte. Like The Special Zone itself, they were brilliant just because they were so miscellanous, but at they same time they were quite sinister. A lot of people is insterested in Sidewinder+co, I can picture them trying to go back to the special zone after a short vacations in one of the tropical zones and... Sidewinder: I take a few days off and they blew up the entire zone? Mr Fry: Told you we shouldnt sell discount Atomic bombs...
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Post by Pitt on Aug 23, 2007 15:00:18 GMT
To be honest, I'd like to see what's become of the League of Super-Evil Villains (Grand Chief Whip, Tyson Dense, Windy Wallis, Bob the Plax and the Leaf) after they defeated themselves. I reckon that we could all get a few more laughs out of their antics.
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Post by Pitt on Aug 12, 2008 18:24:27 GMT
I wouldn't mind seeing more recent game characters like Blaze or even Silver, provided they're used cleverly.
Blaze could be in some sort of Eternity Ring-style story while Silver could come from a future Mobius dominated by Dr. Robotnik (just like that Sonic clone who believed he came from Robotnik's ideal future and who turned silver(!) upon dying).
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Post by metric on Aug 13, 2008 8:30:51 GMT
Know what? Sod your Blaze and Silver ideas. The only person STC-O needs is Marine.
Why, you ask?
To royally annoy the piss out of Sonic. He tries humouring her in the game, but can you really see STC!Sonic humouring her? No. No you cannot. The result would be messy, bloody and GLORIOUS.
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Post by Michael on Aug 13, 2008 10:17:31 GMT
To be honest, I'd like to see what's become of the League of Super-Evil Villains (Grand Chief Whip, Tyson Dense, Windy Wallis, Bob the Plax and the Leaf) after they defeated themselves. I reckon that we could all get a few more laughs out of their antics. Well, let's see... Grand Chief Whip - Currently writing his memoirs in prison and fielding book offers. Tyson Dense - Knocked himself out when he thought the mirror was looking at him funny. He still hasn't woken up... Windy Wallis - Plotting her sweet, sweet, revenge (Chocolate rain!). The Leaf - Got stuck in a tree when trying to escape, no one could be bothered rescuing him. Bob the Plax - Hit mega-stardom after his tell-all story appeared in the papers. Currently starring in a hit reality show ("All by myself") hosting a talk show, and has been linked romantically with several big-name celebrities. Mike
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Aug 13, 2008 11:36:30 GMT
Know what? Sod your Blaze and Silver ideas. The only person STC-O needs is Marine. Why, you ask? To royally annoy the piss out of Sonic. He tries humouring her in the game, but can you really see STC!Sonic humouring her? No. No you cannot. The result would be messy, bloody and GLORIOUS. Then Sonic may realise that Amy isnt as annoying as he previously thought?! Then her act is up!
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Post by Pitt on Aug 13, 2008 12:28:40 GMT
Bob the Plax - Hit mega-stardom after his tell-all story appeared in the papers. Currently starring in a hit reality show ("All by myself") hosting a talk show, and has been linked romantically with several big-name celebrities. The papers will have headlines like, "FABIAN VANE'S MURDEROUS PLASTIC ANDROID LOVE CHILD! - EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS!"
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Post by mauevig on Aug 17, 2008 4:24:34 GMT
Well...I'd personally like to see Blaze, but not so much Silver. Not unless you can implement Silver in a better light than Sonic '06 did. But Blaze is awesome. Maybe she could be one of Ebony's relatives or something XD; I wouldn't mind seeing Tiara and Honey either...
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Post by Super Sonic on Aug 17, 2008 6:02:46 GMT
I wouldn't mind seeing Tiara and Honey either... myarchiesenseistingling
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Aug 17, 2008 9:31:25 GMT
I wouldn't mind seeing Tiara and Honey either... myarchiesenseistinglingCalm down. Not Archie. Tiara Boobowski was meant to debut in Sonic X-Treme (The game that was might have been Super Mario Galaxy before Super Mario Galaxy was thought of. It had its own super power: To give people headaches! Chris Senn almost died for that game though...) And Honey, is just a cat based on the character from Fighting Vipers. People had to hack Sonic the Fighters to know she existed, before they realised that she makes a cameo in the intro to Fighters Megamix or Fighting Vipers (Cant remember which one). Both of these characters wouldn't work. Tiara: Firstly, the STCO guys have a hard enough time keeping up with the official Sonic games let alone the unreleased ones. Secondly, it might have seemed that the storyline for Sonic X-Treme was a halfway house between the games and the Archie Universe. Honey: She wouldn't work because as far as we know there are no intentions to bring in the character in the future. Or any Sonic-ised Sega characters. Which would be awesome. I think. She has no personality, (Unless you go with the idea that she has the same character as the Sega character, Even then do we need a fashion designer crossed with backstreet brawler in STCO?) so it would basically be putting in a fan character or something. They would work as cameos though. Apparently Tiara was in one of the billboards in Speed Highway on Sonic Adventure.
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Post by mauevig on Aug 18, 2008 0:35:00 GMT
I think they'd work for the simple fact that STC always seemed to implement and create their own unique versions of each storyline and character. Notice how STC Amy and Sonic are unique and have their own unique storyline compared to the other continiums. Of course, Sonic's story has always been Unique for as many continiums he's been in. I think the very fact that they ARE characters without a background would actually make them easier to work with considering that they don't have a backstory, rather than trying to adapt one story to the next (personally what I didn't like about the Draken guy being Chaos, was that I liked the idea that Chaos wasn't really evil...just ticked off ) And no, they aren't Archie characters in the slightest, unless they've made a cameo appearence, even then that seems unlikely. But I would include Blaze at least. I know Archie did, I think the writers at STC could do a heck of a lot better job with her. Personally she's my favorite character, Knuckles being my second favorite. And I'm talking about the Sonic continuity as a whole. With all the enemies popping up, why not put in a few allies? Even if they don't show up every issue that'd be fine. I'd have Blaze make special appearences. But there is Ebony for a cat character. I'd still like to see Blaze though. It'd make sense if cats in STC were practitioners of magic, and maybe Blaze decided to focus on one element rather than magic as a whole like Ebony did. A lot could be done with Blaze, if it was done right.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Aug 18, 2008 15:23:34 GMT
I think the problem with Blaze and the already included Big is, their design is nothing like Ebony's, who looks like an ordinary cat. And again, Fleabyte and Cam (who I assumed was meant to be a cat...) look different again. Its only a character design problem, however and presumably won't affect how the characters are written but still, its a style issue for the comic. Ebony is clearly the odd one out but was a semi-major character with reference to Super, anyway...
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Post by mauevig on Aug 18, 2008 16:04:29 GMT
I don't see a problem with it. A vast majority of minor characters look like real animals, while the more main stream ones look more sega like. Sonic, Amy, Tails, Knuckles versus other characters. Thing is, before cats were made in the Sega Games, the comic book pencial artists, for both fleetway and archie, the cartoons, etc. and even the fan artists had to guess what a Sonic universe cat would look like. However, the presense of Characters such as Tiara and Honey would've given a good clue...had we known who those characters were. But in any case, I don't think it would be a huge problem. In my avatar Ebony looks "sega-savvy" enough. XD;
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Aug 18, 2008 16:07:21 GMT
Honey was an extra that you kinda had to "hack" out of Sonic the Fighters, AFAIK... sorry if thats wrong, I only found out who she was in the past year or so. Anyways, I'm not sure if the writers and artists of STC would have known about her...
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Post by mauevig on Aug 18, 2008 18:39:14 GMT
Maybe not, but they might've known about Tiara. A lot of people assumed that Tiara was a princess sally clone....but her concept artist/designer said that was merely a coincidence. It's too bad Sonic X-Treme didn't make it, it would've been an awesome game.
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Post by Nam on Aug 18, 2008 18:39:49 GMT
Thing is, before cats were made in the Sega Games, the comic book pencial artists, for both fleetway and archie, the cartoons, etc. and even the fan artists had to guess what a Sonic universe cat would look like. ... and they both messed up IMO. Looking over some of the artists, there are a fair few characters who defy the standardised Sonic look for Mobians (i.e. excluding Robotnik who naturally looks different) from time gone by. If you take a look at the period before Knuckles Chaotix, most characters have a uniform head to body ratio, and a rounded torso, something which continued with most characters, save for Vector, whose crocodile body would look silly drawn with the classic two circle proportion base Sonic has. For example (and I apologise, this was a crap MSPaint job): This is the standardised design that has stuck for new characters since the beggining, and every new game anthro character has conformed to this idea, save for Vector, Vanilla, and Big. Yes the body's went from rounded circles, to more slender (and in some cases more anatomically pleasing) designs for the torso, but the body to torso ratio has remained consistent. Try it if you're arty, take that design, and draw any Anthro atop it. It should work for almost all of them. Likewise, while there is not one style for eyes (Tails has two eye sockets, while Sonic has that mono eye socket), they always remain the same size in relation to the shape of the face, and in raltion to the muzzle which is always consistent. But all the comic book artists, and cartoonists said "Sod that for a game of darts, I'd rather populate the world with characters that I can draw easier". Hence we get characters in Sonic's world, that don't look a thing like Sonic. Archie comics is most consistent, with some OC's looking like SegaSonic rules were obeyed, but at other times they look too humanised to be obviously Sonic, as opposed to standard cartoon animals. The artists weren't so much guessing what an anthro cat would look like, but rather drawing an anthro cat that they found easy to draw. Hence why non-Sonic cast looked different, and in the case of some artists, it looked like Sonic had ended up on another planet for how differently styled he was. Anyway, that was a long and meandering ramble about an artistic pet peeve of mine. Feel free to ignore, I apparently know bugger, and all about art.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Aug 18, 2008 18:43:06 GMT
Thats a nice diagram! ;D Youve pretty much said what I was trying to with a single picture!
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Post by mauevig on Aug 18, 2008 18:44:30 GMT
As an artist myself I always found the "Sonic" style easy. o.o I drew a Sonic-esque style for years before deciding to start developing my own style. o.o
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Post by The Shad on Aug 18, 2008 18:45:59 GMT
I think they'd work for the simple fact that STC always seemed to implement and create their own unique versions of each storyline and character. And what are those characters own storylines? Tiara: Keeper of the Rings of Order. Aaaaand? What does that mean? Is she an enemy of Knuckles, guardian of the Chaos emeralds? Is she gangsta, with her blingin' Order rings? Honey: ... Um... uh... wasn't she in that film, with, no wait, that was Wall-E. It's too bad Sonic X-Treme didn't make it, it would've been an awesome game. Not nessecarily. For me to say it would suck various body parts would be just as silly as automatically awesome it would be the best thing ever.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Aug 18, 2008 18:50:15 GMT
Tiara: Keeper of the Rings of Order. Aaaaand? What does that mean? Is she an enemy of Knuckles, guardian of the Chaos emeralds? Is she gangsta, with her blingin' Order rings? She could be the mysterious operator of the Ring of Eternity.... a bit like the Wizard of Oz, hiding behind a curtain! XD
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Post by Nam on Aug 18, 2008 18:55:57 GMT
Thats a nice diagram! ;D Youve pretty much said what I was trying to with a single picture! Well yes, but I always did find it rather annoying that on Sonic's homeworld he doesn't look a thing like anybody else in any canon bar SegaSonic. I mean yes, Sonic Underground made an effort with Sonia and Manic, as well as Queen Aileena, but I reckon that was more "family resemblance" based, than "making sure the world looked like Sonic's homeworld" based. I always imagine that all the species of Mobius have as much difference as races do on Earth, in that while there are subtle differences, the main body is the same, functions the same, and is, for all intents and purposes, interchangeable. Yes a Mobian cat would look different to a Mobian dog, but if you opened them up and looked at just the skeletons they'd by more or less identical. So to see artists flood the world with characters that aren't the same, and show no characters who match Sonic anatomically, to be very jarring, and STC was one of the worst offenders for this. Sonic looks just as out of place in many crowd images of Mobius as Robotnik does, and Robotnik's supposed to be the one whose the alien.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Aug 18, 2008 18:58:34 GMT
I seem to remember in one story there was a fish in a diving suit full of water.... and there was that horse dressed as a wizard. :S
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