Doctor Who Thread

[ashurathecomic]

This week?

[censored]e.

I thought it was ridiculous, overplayed, underacted, and, well. The word TURD says it all.

(Okay, it doesn't, but it's not a very nice word, in any case.)

--Ray

EDIT: Anyone else notice that Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who?

[Matt]

ashurathecomic said:

This week?

[censored]e.

I thought it was ridiculous, overplayed, underacted, and, well. The word TURD says it all.

(Okay, it doesn't, but it's not a very nice word, in any case.)

--Ray

EDIT: Anyone else notice that Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who?

umm is that meant to be sarcasm? if so sorry for saying the following.

Torchwood is a dilberate anagram of docotr who, when they were labeling the film of season one they were worried it was going to get stolen so labbeled it with an anagram

Torchwood.

It was decided that it would make a good show name, and was remebered, when it came time to make the spin off, the mane torchwood was remebered and used.

[ashurathecomic]

Not sarcasm.

Hey, can you blame me for not knowing the backstory of every television show I watch?

(Okay, I only watch one television show, but that's not the point. Lol.)

--Ray

[wussycat]

homsar said:

And there was more foreshadowing to Rose's eventual fate.

When?

[Matt]

ashurathecomic said:

Not sarcasm.

Hey, can you blame me for not knowing the backstory of every television show I watch?

(Okay, I only watch one television show, but that's not the point. Lol.)

--Ray

lol sorry to seem so surprised, I just thought, it had already been mentioned to death on here, lol *slink away and goes back to lurking to avoid the rage of an angry ray*

yeah so no offense meant

edit merged my other post

wussycat said:

homsar said:

And there was more foreshadowing to Rose's eventual fate.

When?

Elton mentions that being with the Doctor, will eventually have a terrible end for rose and Jackie, this being right near the end I think.

[rj]

EXTERMINATE!

[Matt]

xonic said:

EXTERMINATE!

x I'm not sure how seriously you take this campaign for mod, thing, and if it's just a joke.
however surely, you know that spamming a topic repeatedly, is not good etiquette .

on a more on topic pont, that I forgot to make before, Ray's opnions on this weeks episode are perfect

[Charles]

kittierose said:

Indeed. However that was before it tried to be serious and dramatic.

...have you actually seen any of the old Doctor Who?

[Kittie Rose]

Yes. It was kind of campish and lighthearted, especially Tom Baker's Doctor. Only the early 60s one centered real drama around the guest characters being killed(like Tomb of the Cybermen). The only real drama was to do with the nature of time travel itself and the big decisions the Doctor had to make. Not that Sally Muffet just got eaten by an Ice Warrior.

[Charles]

kittierose said:

Yes. It was kind of campish and lighthearted

You clearly haven't seen much of the old Doctor Who then. There are a lot of episodes that weren't light-hearted, and many that weren't campy (at least no more than the new one). The show hasn't suddenly turned into a sci-fi drama just because it has new special effects and loud dramatic music playing constantly.

especially Tom Baker's Doctor.

Logopolis, Genesis Of The Daleks, Horror Of Fang Rock, The Leisure Hive, The Robots Of Death... the one thing linking all these eps is nobody ever says about them "wow, they were light-hearted". Tom Baker lasted seven years, there were quite a few darker & grimmer eps.

Only the early 60s one centered real drama around the guest characters being killed

Horror Of Fang Rock, Doctor Who & The Silurians, Genesis Of The Daleks, The Curse Of Fenric, The Seeds Of Death, Revelation Of The Daleks... wow, I never knew all those episodes were from the early 60s! (And they're just the ones off the top of my head)

The only real drama was to do with the nature of time travel itself and the big decisions the Doctor had to make. Not that Sally Muffet just got eaten by an Ice Warrior.

There was, however, drama in Reverend Wainwright not being able to maintain his faith when he needs it the most and dying because of it.

[Kittie Rose]

Logopolis, Genesis Of The Daleks, Horror Of Fang Rock, The Leisure Hive, The Robots Of Death...

Really? I've seen The Leisure Hive recently, I have it on DVD. All of those episodes were still lighter in tone than any of the newer ones. The main thing is that the older series were never really that emotional.

There's just a constant sense of "DOOM" in all the new episodes that I really don't remember in the older series. A lot of bad and "scary" stuff happened in the older series but it was never this... dark.

[Baron Canier]

Almost forgot to review this week's episode.

The first two-thirds of the ep were good, formed out of the grounded, "real" human aspect that made the first season strong, but which these season has lacked up until now. But the last fifteen minutes...oh, Jesus. It just degenerated into complete and utter nonsense.

[Pitt]

I don't like the smug personality that Rose has given the Doctor. Don't deny it. We all know that it's her fault. For most of the first series, the Doctor was very withdrawn and fairly moody, suffering from survivor's guilt of the Time War. Now he couldn't care less about an absoring monster because Rose is more concerned about her stupid mother.

[Baron Canier]

shazam said:

Now he couldn't care less about an absoring monster because Rose is more concerned about her stupid mother.

I'm pretty sure he was using reverse-psychology.

[Charles]

kittierose said:

The main thing is that the older series were never really that emotional.

Well, that'll surprise everyone who saw The Green Death!

There's just a constant sense of "DOOM" in all the new episodes that I really don't remember in the older series.

Inferno, Genesis Of The Daleks, The Curse Of Fenric, The Dalek Invasion Of Earth, Spearhead From Space, The War Games... the old series never really lacked in the way of doom.

A lot of bad and "scary" stuff happened in the older series but it was never this... dark.

See above.

[Matt]

Maybe the difference that Kittie is talking about comes from having a lose overriding story arc, rather than the tighter story arcs, that would spread 5-6 episodes. I that way the always seems to be is background, doom to keep people interested.

though I often feel there was a dark background to many of the older series anyway, but just a thought

[Kittie Rose]

faeros said:

Almost forgot to review this week's episode.

The first two-thirds of the ep were good, formed out of the grounded, "real" human aspect that made the first season strong, but which these season has lacked up until now. But the last fifteen minutes...oh, Jesus. It just degenerated into complete and utter nonsense.

Agreed. Ursula was cute for a while but suddenly lost the ability to act around then.

I liked this season up until the "Idiot's Lantern". After that, everything they've done doesn't seem to really lead anywhere. I keep getting disappointed when I see "next week's episode!" now. I mean, drawings that come to life? Wow. How about, you know, an actual proper alien planet? With aliens on it?

It's a shame. I really wanted this series to be better than the last, and it was shaping up to be so. I like David Tennant better than Christopher Eccleston, he's more Doctor-ish, almost like a young Tom Baker. I honestly think getting rid of Rose as a safety blanket may help the series as a whole.

Overall the series isn't leading anywhere. THe last series had the Bad Wolf thing and the stories themselves were all new and different and all felt important. I've been loosing interest n the series ever since I saw the preview for Idiot's Lantern. The "Impossible Planet" two parter COULD have been so cool, but it wasn't even a real planet. Overall it was pretty disappointing, very dreary and apocalyptic, crossed with a bad episode of the Crystal Maze.

Though I do think Peter Kay should play like, 1/3 of the cast of Doctor Who. That would be brilliant.

[Pitt]

I don't think that the older series was lacking in dramatism.

Watch the final epsiode of Earthshock and then maybe you'll understand. That is how Rose should go out.

Speaking of Rose leaving the Doctor (one way or another), maybe that will let him travel to more alien planets. I certainly hope so. The advantage that the original series has over this one is its diversity of settings if you ask me.

[Kittie Rose]

I don't kow, remember when the Doctor left Sarah Jane? Now compare that to just about any scene in the new series.

Like it or not, I HAVE seen much of the old series(I've watched the Leisure Hive, Pyramids on Mars, The Revenge of the Cybermen, The Five Doctors and Rememberance of the Daleks recently) and while it did "overdramatise" certain things(The Doctor's "decision" in Genesis for instance) it usually stands out since MOST of the show was, like it or not, a rather camp spookhouse affair.

There is a massive difference between the tone of the old and the tone of the new series. The new series is more realistic for one, and potentially much better. But the problem is because it's so much more real, the constant deaths just get ridiculous. Wouldn't the Doctor and Rose have had a break down by now?

I think that the death thing needs to be done away with. In the older series, fine, but that was more fun than trying to be deep and meaningful, and most importantly, realistic. For death to have any real impact you have to make sure you don't do it every damn episode. Sometimes it's NICE to see people live, believe it or not.

[Baron Canier]

kittierose said:

I think that the death thing needs to be done away with.

Ahahahahahahaha! That's a good 'un ;D

Oh, wait...you were being serious.

kittierose said:

Sometimes it's NICE to see people live, believe it or not.

The world isn't a nice place.

[Charles]

kittierose said:

How about, you know, an actual proper alien planet? With aliens on it?

Like the one we had two weeks ago?

[Charles]

kittierose said:

There is a massive difference between the tone of the old and the tone of the new series.

Which is... what exactly? What precisely is the nature of this realism that is supposedly heavily present in the new series and not in the old one?

I think that the death thing needs to be done away with.

Good idea, let's make the monsters & villains completely toothless. That'll get the kids tuning in!

Sometimes it's NICE to see people live, believe it or not.

Then you shouldn't be watching a show that has in it plundering alien races, ravenous werewolves, slaughter-happy flesh-eating conqueror races, machine-beings that want to turn everyone human into one of them, the Daleks, and frequent trips into periods of Earth's history such as World War 2.

If you don't like demons, monsters, dark forces and horror to be presented as lurking everywhere, don't watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Same principle applies for Doctor Who.

[Alex]

I'm in two minds about this week's ep really. On one hand, t'was different and that made it great. On the other it was different and that made it... not so great.

It was still entertaining though, and Peter Kay's inclusion was probably one of it's biggest saving graces but I don't think it will hold up to much repeated viewing. I expect most will skip over it to next week's Olympic 'A-ha' weirdness when it comes to watching the DVD set at Christmas.

Again, Rose and now Jackie have both been alloted with the "pay the price" thing as of this episode. And knowing now that Rose will be leaving the series in just 3 eps time doesn't bode well for her surviving. Or even Jackie now.

[JJ]

Didn't like this episode. Just...no. I really enjoyed the Devil episodes (last few weeks), but this was just cheap, tacky, and uninteresting.

And the paving slab blowjob gag? Christ.

[Smithy]

I liked it, mainly cause it featured a Scooby Doo corridor chase scene, that's really all I want from anything...

There were actually quite a few things I liked about the episode, but it's hard to surpass a Hanna Barbera reference.