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Post by The Stiv™ on Nov 6, 2007 13:40:47 GMT
PASSION.
I absolutely love the way the media twist, meant to make people on Mobius turn against Sonic is actually working on the boards too! I think it just goes to show how powerful the stories being written actually are, I never expected anyone on the boards to feel anything other than undulating respect for Sonic but here we are. Fantastic.
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 14:02:00 GMT
I think Sonic is driven entirely by guilt. Guilt which he suppresses, which is then directed as aggression towards his friends. Clearly he's got a lot to be guilty about. Firstly, and most obviously, he has Super Sonic inside him, and on more than one occasion this has put his friends in danger. Secondly, the creation of Robotnik. Thirdly, Johnny's death. In fact, Sonic blames himself for just about everything that goes wrong on Mobius, whether it's his fault or not. Consider it: Sonic has no control over himself when he's super; he HAD to doom Kintobor; and Johnny's death is plainly Chaos' fault. Why then, does he feel responsible for EVERYTHING? It's like you guys have said before me, he's been the world police for so long that he's used to having the difficult decisions thrust upon him. He's used to saving the world time and time over. Yes, he's a vigilante, but he HAS to be. And in this more stable Mobius he's having problems adjusting. That's why Sonic treats his friends (and Knuckles) in such a way. The sheer pressure of protecting the world would have drove him mad otherwise. The fact that Mobius is beginning to support itself is rendering him, and his way of thinking, obsolete. It's hard to disagree with that. One of the panels in Flickies Island Part 1 backs that statment up. Knuckles is conversing with Sonic via computer and suggests that now Robotnik is defeated Sonic can retire to which Sonic abruptly ends the conversation.
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 14:06:33 GMT
PASSION. I absolutely love the way the media twist, meant to make people on Mobius turn against Sonic is actually working on the boards too!I think it just goes to show how powerful the stories being written actually are, I never expected anyone on the boards to feel anything other than undulating respect for Sonic but here we are. Fantastic. Without sounding like an ass kisser I think it demonstrates how billiantly the writers have taken over from the original STC. The hardest thing to keep is the spirit of the old comic but they have succeded amazingly well and debates like this prove that
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Post by Spydaman on Nov 6, 2007 14:35:48 GMT
you all don't understand the PASSION!!!!!!!!!!
Bout the Return of the Death Egg story, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the death egg resources kinda working on automatic to make advances in science rather than Robotnik doing it?
One reason why he would work on cures for diseases and the like...CONTROL...imagine there was a worldwide plague and Robotnik came out of nowhere and said "I have the cure, but inorder to have it you need to give me THIS" I mean whoa...that'd be some leverage.
I think Knuckles has raised some excellent points here in that by all means yes, Sonic is very much a vigilante.
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on Nov 6, 2007 16:35:19 GMT
PASSION. I absolutely love the way the media twist, meant to make people on Mobius turn against Sonic is actually working on the boards too!I think it just goes to show how powerful the stories being written actually are, I never expected anyone on the boards to feel anything other than undulating respect for Sonic but here we are. Fantastic. I always thought he was a jumped-up little git myself.
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Post by Pitt on Nov 6, 2007 18:05:15 GMT
Mobius lacks a central government. Rather, it's more like a very loose confederation of zones that are so radically different they might as well be seperate countries all practising a policy of isolationism.
It's true, though. Sonic is like Infinite Crisis Batman nowadays.
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Post by Matt on Nov 6, 2007 19:01:50 GMT
you all don't understand the PASSION!!!!!!!!!! Bout the Return of the Death Egg story, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the death egg resources kinda working on automatic to make advances in science rather than Robotnik doing it? One reason why he would work on cures for diseases and the like...CONTROL...imagine there was a worldwide plague and Robotnik came out of nowhere and said "I have the cure, but inorder to have it you need to give me THIS" I mean whoa...that'd be some leverage. I think Knuckles has raised some excellent points here in that by all means yes, Sonic is very much a vigilante. the point is that robotnik made the machines to do that... so robotnik did it by proxy...
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Nov 6, 2007 19:16:03 GMT
PASSION. I absolutely love the way the media twist, meant to make people on Mobius turn against Sonic is actually working on the boards too!I think it just goes to show how powerful the stories being written actually are, I never expected anyone on the boards to feel anything other than undulating respect for Sonic but here we are. Fantastic. I always thought he was a jumped-up little git myself. At times, I did find Sonic completely un-likeable in STC. Mind you; Mad dictators, self aware metal versions of yourself and while all thats going on you have a destructive being locked up within you. I'd be a bit cranky too.
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 20:21:31 GMT
Batman is a nice comparison but remember Batman respects the laws of Gotham and even when he disagrees with them follows them to the letter because it isn't his choice to decide which ones are worth following or not. Obviously I feel Sonic should put his power to good use and I have no problem with him being a vigilante as long as he knows that's exactly what he is. I would like to compare him and the freedom fighters to the JLA. The JLA refuse to get involved in political disputes and instead concentrate on just giving aid and helping those who have suffered because of it. In wartime I can understand Sonic fighting against Robotnik but now he is overthrown he should use the JLA's policy meaning he should not involve himself in the big decisions such as destroying that information.
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Post by The Shad on Nov 6, 2007 20:25:12 GMT
Batman does not respect the letter of the law. Evidence?
Breaking and entering. Threatening behaviour. Removing evidence. Hell, vigilantism, just for good measure.
He recognises that sometimes, laws have to be broken, for the greater good. But it is breaking the law. He is a private citizen, taking the law into his own hands, even if it means fighting duly-appointed officials, regardless of whether or not they're "bad cops", (ie: taking bribes etc) or "good cops", like Jim Gordon.
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 20:32:19 GMT
Batman does not respect the letter of the law. Evidence? Breaking and entering. Threatening behaviour. Removing evidence. Hell, vigilantism. (thats a crime, you know.) He recognises that sometimes, laws have to be broken, for the greater good. But it is breaking the law. Fair point actually. But it could be argued that in a city like Gotham that is what's needed. My point was Batman has never (as far as I'm aware) made a decision that affects all of Gotham when he has no jurisdiction to (except that time when he took control of the GCPD but they were at war then which as I've mentioned means it dosen't count) but Sonic did and I feel Sonic thinks he's bigger than the law.
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Post by The Shad on Nov 6, 2007 20:42:23 GMT
What about the JLA protocols?
He didn't share them with anybody, and nearly got the entire JLA killed. Despite the fact the rest of the JLA are afraid of him, and consider him the most dangerous member.
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 20:46:53 GMT
What about the JLA protocols? He didn't share them with anybody, and nearly got the entire JLA killed. Despite the fact the rest of the JLA are afraid of him, and consider him the most dangerous member. You mean the one's Ra's used against them? That was a contingincey plan in case any of them went rogue. Hmmm, maybe Batman is the best comparison as the same could be said about the Kintobor computer (which did go evil I think). And I have the feeling a few of Sonic's friends also live in fear of him given his unhinged attitude.
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Post by The Shad on Nov 6, 2007 20:51:31 GMT
Well, yeah, when he could turn into a raving nutter with the power of a god, I'd be prett worried myself.
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 20:57:29 GMT
Well, yeah, when he could turn into a raving nutter with the power of a god, I'd be prett worried myself. Even without Super Sonic in him he is very unhinged. When he thought Robotnik was dead he felt joy. He allowed Tails to think he was dead for a laugh. Sonic is a dangerous character even without his Super alter ego.
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Post by The Shad on Nov 6, 2007 21:10:07 GMT
When he thought Robotnik was dead he felt joy. Well, yeah. His deadliest enemy, who conquered the planet, enslaved the people and was just generally a [censored], is dead, and he's suppoed to mourn him? Yeah, the thing with Tails is mean, but come on! Who hasn't done that to freak people out?
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 21:14:59 GMT
When he thought Robotnik was dead he felt joy. Well, yeah. His deadliest enemy, who conquered the planet, enslaved the people and was just generally a [censored], is dead, and he's suppoed to mourn him? Yeah, the thing with Tails is mean, but come on! Who hasn't done that to freak people out? Yeah fair enough I can understand the thing with Robotnik actually but the thing with Tails was more than mean. It's a little weird and just shows how callous really is.
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Post by The Shad on Nov 6, 2007 21:20:57 GMT
People take the piss out of their friends and family all the time. To an outsider, it'd seem mean, but its not intended as such.
Doesn't excuse it, though.
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Post by Insector on Nov 6, 2007 21:21:07 GMT
Don't forget the christmas episode where Sonic pretended some teenagers had killed him. What a joker. Taught them a lesson, though. The little scamps.
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Post by The Shad on Nov 6, 2007 21:22:57 GMT
But that wasn't a joke. He did that to teach them a lesson about messing with robots and such.
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Post by Beta on Nov 6, 2007 21:27:09 GMT
Anyone wonder if Super Sonic and Sonic's personalites can influence each other from time to time?
Just bear with me on this and compare how they were when they were split, away from each others morality... or were they still pretty much the same characters as ever blowing away this theory...
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Post by Insector on Nov 6, 2007 21:58:59 GMT
Well I imagine Sonic was even under more pressure knowing that Super was out there rather than trapped in himself. Since Super's personality is just PURE EVIL, I doubt he was affected much. Except for when he was with Ebony and Pyjamas, but then he was just confused al the time.
Wonder what Sonic was thinking in the penultimate Chaos saga strip, where he meets non-evil Super for the first time (I think). Must have been pretty confusing for him.
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Post by Pitt on Nov 6, 2007 22:20:32 GMT
Freedom Fighting probably just changed him for the worse. Constant fighting does that, or so I understand.
Terry Deary, author of the Horrible Histories books, got it right when he said, "War brings out the best in some, and it brings out the worst in others."
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Post by Knuckles on Nov 6, 2007 22:32:54 GMT
Anyone wonder if Super Sonic and Sonic's personalites can influence each other from time to time? Just bear with me on this and compare how they were when they were split, away from each others morality... or were they still pretty much the same characters as ever blowing away this theory... I could've sworn I replied to this. I bet I stuck it in another thread... Do you mean like Angel/Angelus? (apologies to non Buffy fans. My point is Angel is tempted into darkness by the demon inside him and that he constantly feels Angelus' influence and him trying to break free). Well Super seemed much nicer away from Sonic But then that was cos his power was drained and he had amnesia so you know. Sonic's attitude remained unchanged I think and was pretty much the same character he had been with Super inside him
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Nov 6, 2007 22:36:54 GMT
Angelus was loads better than Angel. He was just a sap! hee hee I kinda liked the fact that Super was dependent on Chaos energy... kinda like Sonic's clone that dissipated into energy once his life ended.... kinda infers that anything thats not the original is fundamentally flawed one way or the other... in a sense they were both energy beings.
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