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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 19, 2009 21:19:42 GMT
No, I'd rather not lock it tbh - the posts with suggestions made by Nam, Warped and in fact Mitch's first post on the last page were very good suggestions which we were actually picking up on and discussing in the Hume Zone. Moar please! And Supes - putting threads in the Hume Zone is actually what we do! We use it to keep all of us updated on the issues that come up and to discuss what we should do to maintain the board - such as the creation of this thread, in fact.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 19, 2009 21:22:16 GMT
Ergh the thing is you shouldn't need suggestions of how to mod the place - otherwise just give mod positions to those with good ideas.
Moderating is common sense!
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 19, 2009 21:23:38 GMT
No its not to tell us how to mod! XD Its suggestions of where things could be improved because its obvious people have issues and just can't or won't tell us... and yes the issues regarding newer members were good ones.
The issue that people feel they can't approach us (or more specifically, me! XD) is a bad one - I don't want to be scaring people away.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 19, 2009 21:32:11 GMT
Okay things would be improved if you lot had a bit more tact and common sense. If that happened, which isn't something one can learn overnight, then people would be more likely to approach you (collectively) about issues. And the fact is, some people won't ever come directly to moderators to discuss issues; that's just the nature of some people. I don't want to sound like a stuck record, but I really think this thread is redundant and won't make a difference. Sorry to be a killjoy but there it is...
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Post by Baxter on Sept 20, 2009 8:58:41 GMT
Moderator presence (in the role of moderators, naturally) should be minimal, with serious infringing of the rules resulting in a more official comment. As it stands we have promising debates/conversations being interrupted with "ENOUGH, I HAVE FORESEEN DRAMA", which is a bit Minority Report. If someone disagrees with you about something, this is not license to abuse your mad mod powers. Arguments, even heated arguments, are fine and should even be encouraged as they can promote discussion. I must say I read some of the moderator's comments these days and feel patronised, even if they aren't directed at me. I really think the mods should take more of a back seat and deal with things far more subtly. A simple post such as "Guys, back on topic please" or "This is getting a bit out of hand" should suffice. If it doesn't, then the parties involved should receive PMs. At the same time, the mod involved should leave a message in the Staff Zone saying it has been dealt with, so that the people involved don't get berated by more than one moderator. I'd go into detail but lack the motivation, and the above posts elaborate whatever concerns I have pretty effectively. Basically, the less intervention, the better. Oh, and whilst you're at it...
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Post by Arch on Sept 20, 2009 11:31:07 GMT
The more I see of this thread, the more I think it's largely just people without mod powers moaning at those who do cos they think they can do it better. That's what it seems to be boiling down to, with a few genuine points that both sides need to deal with. I don't reckon that could be much further from the truth. I mean, becoming a mod a few years ago was desirable, like really cool to be telling people what to do. But these days, I don't see much need for noticeable moderation. Then again, I'm not speaking for anyone else.
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Post by Moo on Sept 20, 2009 12:59:06 GMT
I must say I read some of the moderator's comments these days and feel patronised, even if they aren't directed at me."This is getting a bit out of hand" should suffice. If it doesn't, then the parties involved should receive PMs. At the same time, the mod involved should leave a message in the Staff Zone saying it has been dealt with, so that the people involved don't get berated by more than one moderator. And finally, this thread is going nowhere tbh. Lock? :/ a) The "this is getting a bit out of hand" thing is done often, and apparently this is what people feel is patronising. b) We aren't locking it. I don't want to sound like a stuck record, but I really think this thread is redundant and won't make a difference. Sorry to be a killjoy but there it is... c) It already IS making a difference, since we're taking onboard peoples comments. Seriously, can everyone stop with the "this thread is pointless" stuff? Kthnx.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 20, 2009 13:13:09 GMT
a) The "this is getting a bit out of hand" thing is done often, and apparently this is what people feel is patronising. b) We aren't locking it. c) It already IS making a difference, since we're taking onboard peoples comments. Seriously, can everyone stop with the "this thread is pointless" stuff? Kthnx. This is the type of thing that's patronising. I don't understand how saying "this is getting out of hand" when something is getting out of hand and needs some moderator intervention can be seen as patronising.
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Post by Moo on Sept 20, 2009 13:32:23 GMT
Well according to some people it is.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 20, 2009 13:51:14 GMT
>__<
Either that or you're doing it when it's unnecessary.
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on Sept 20, 2009 18:34:58 GMT
Mods all make mistakes sometimes. We are human beings. Retro makes mistakes, Matt makes mistakes, Sin makes mistakes, I make mistakes, and so on ad infinitum. It's only natural that people who are new to the job will [censored] up occasionally. What the Captain said is what I am trying to do, although I get the impression some people think I'm not on here enough. If you have any issues with me, post them here or PM me. I am not going to bite your head off if you do. I've had people PM me about problems in the past - I appreciate not everyone wants to post about board / member problems in a thread. Bryce - I'm keeping the thread open for a bit, but if it starts to get really ugly I might consider locking it. That is a major, major IF though.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 20, 2009 20:33:11 GMT
I think I'll leave the thread alone for the time being.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 20, 2009 20:42:21 GMT
And Supes - putting threads in the Hume Zone is actually what we do! Just noticed this edit of yours, Mambo, I know that's what you do, I was just emphasising it before one of those people not in the know suggested "how would the mods know who had been PMed?".
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Post by mark00275 on Sept 21, 2009 8:40:10 GMT
Well any input that sparks ideas is always good. As a newish member I cant say that I've ever found the forum unwelcoming, I used to worry about my low post count but not so much anymore. Maybe mod posts when highlighting a problem should be kept very business like and to the point "can we get back to the topic at hand people. Etc..."
Perhaps following a few more ideas a list of "Mod rules" can be drawn up and posted in the start here section. Of course the list of rules will need to be voted on in a poll thread ;D
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Post by madhair60 on Sept 21, 2009 8:57:57 GMT
Perhaps following a few more ideas a list of "Mod rules" can be drawn up and posted in the start here section. Of course the list of rules will need to be voted on in a poll thread ;D That sounds fairly awful. We don't need "mod rules" we need less mod-focus. It's reached the point of absurdity. shouldn't this thread be in the control zone actually
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Post by mark00275 on Sept 21, 2009 13:14:57 GMT
Perhaps following a few more ideas a list of "Mod rules" can be drawn up and posted in the start here section. Of course the list of rules will need to be voted on in a poll thread ;D That sounds fairly awful. We don't need "mod rules" we need less mod-focus. It's reached the point of absurdity. shouldn't this thread be in the control zone actuallyWell people will always have opinions & arent always professional so sometimes a personal viewpoint can be interpreted in a post that may or may not exist. How many Mods are there now? Who appoints them & why?
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Post by Pete on Sept 21, 2009 13:53:14 GMT
How many Mods are there now? Who appoints them & why? Admin are Retro, Tikal and Sin, mods are Kimbo, Calisto, Mambo, Moo and myself. Mods are usually appointed from regular members that have shown to take part of all areas of the forum, and have tried to calm situations that are getting out of hand. It's kinda hard to describe.
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Post by obsidian on Sept 22, 2009 9:09:27 GMT
Make me a mod, forum bull[censored] will be eliminated.
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 22, 2009 10:59:06 GMT
Make me a mod, forum will be eliminated. Fixed.
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on Sept 22, 2009 19:44:23 GMT
If we make Objob a mod, extreme doom will come.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 22, 2009 19:45:44 GMT
If we make ObJob a mod, MegaJerk will conquer all!
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on Sept 22, 2009 19:50:21 GMT
Btw would it make sense to move this thread to the Control Zone? It's board-related after all.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Sept 22, 2009 19:58:55 GMT
*shrug* Maybe, I think Moo stuck it here so everyone would see it - not much goes on in the Control Zone. But yeah, it is kinda Q&A stuff. Up to you, Teek.
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Post by Moo on Sept 22, 2009 20:05:33 GMT
I'm ok with moving it, I just see this place as "srs zone" so put it here. XD
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Post by Super Sonic on Sept 22, 2009 21:46:15 GMT
XD
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