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Post by Samface on Apr 30, 2012 10:39:43 GMT
Fair enough.
It occurs to me I didn't actually deliver my Very Important Verdict That Everyone Will Listen To earlier. So: it was good. Not mind-blowing, but consistently enjoyable. The ending felt a bit anti-climatic ("Oh noes! Generic aliens are attacking!"), but that's my only major issue.
I think my favourite bit was actually how much time they dedicated to Black Widow. I'd never even heard of the character before I saw Iron Man 2, so I can't comment on whether it was a particularly good rendering, but in that film she came off as an ultra-generic femme fatale. So it was nice to see her getting an actual personality here.
That's a total lie, my real favourite bit was the SHIELD flunky playing Galaga
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Post by The Stiv™ on Apr 30, 2012 18:37:44 GMT
I was a bit disappointed at how quickly it ended, tbh. I mean, ok, they'd won, technically end of film. I'd have just liked a bit more after the fight than 'characters separating montage with voiceover' =/ The macro shots of all the items practically made me jizz though. Prettyyyyy <3
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Post by Alex on Apr 30, 2012 18:49:07 GMT
The end of the film would probably have been stronger if it wasn't actually necessary to set it up for all their sequels instead of a follow-up to Avengers itself.
Also, I can't find a source for Denisof's casting outside of IMDB itself (everything just keeps pointing back to it) - so I'd say it's likely bullcrap.
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Post by madhair60 on Apr 30, 2012 19:29:18 GMT
My favourite parts:
- "YOU MEWLING QUIM!" - "Puny god." - "Hulk? Smash." - "I get it. I get that reference." - Galaga.
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Post by The Shad on Apr 30, 2012 19:31:29 GMT
The end of the film would probably have been stronger if it wasn't actually necessary to set it up for all their sequels instead of a follow-up to Avengers itself. Also, I can't find a source for Denisof's casting outside of IMDB itself (everything just keeps pointing back to it) - so I'd say it's likely bullcrap. He was listed in the credits as well. I was watching out for someone else, saw the name and was like "Whaaaaa?" Samface She wasn't a generic femme fatale. She was told to test Stark and see what he would do in certain situations. He, being a multijagillionaire, got drunk in his power armour and blew [censored] up. Hence him being told he wasn't Avengers material at the end of IM2 and at the start of Avengers. She was part of the test. edit- www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/04/30/marvels-five-year-plan-for-the-avengers-to-rescue-the-movies/HULK SMASH EXPECTATIONS www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=58867Also, Ruffallo is signed for six movies. I always liked him, even though he wasn't as well known.
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Post by Samface on May 1, 2012 10:48:47 GMT
Samface She wasn't a generic femme fatale...She was part of the test. Yes she had a part in the plot, no she did not have any discernible personality is my point. @ Stu - I heard a bit of an interview with Tom Hiddleston on Radio 4 - apparently Whedon specifically put in the "mewling quim" line to see if the censors would spot it. Made me chuckle.
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Post by The Stiv™ on May 1, 2012 11:33:20 GMT
I also liked how Thor spoke more Thorish.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on May 1, 2012 21:18:40 GMT
Saw it. Loved it. Hulk rules.
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Post by Nam on May 3, 2012 22:11:43 GMT
This film was pretty good, hilarious in places, with some great action, but for ages afterwards something bugged me about it that I couldn't put my finger on. And then it came to me, the problem with this film is in the villains. Yes, Loki is a good villain, but despite the best efforts to try and make the conflict with him have some depth in all the main characters, it really doesn't. Yes, Thor has the main bulk of it what with Loki being in Thor's family, that was to be expected, but the others, in particular Hulk and Iron Man, don't really have much of a reason to be hunting Loki, Hulk being given a flimsy excuse of tracking Gamma Radiation, and Iron Man being given an equally similar flimsy excuse to get involved.
Furthermore, the aliens Loki was allied with, why were they working for him? for conquest of Earth? It's a pretty vague reason, esp. if they've only just learnt of Earth. Also who were they? Seriously, I don't recall them being named once, and they seemed to serve as nothing more than canon fodder for the Avengers to tear through. Which made the last fight anti-climactic, and almost one sided were it not for the sheer out numbering of them, and how effective they were at destroying New York. But in the actually fight, it was pretty unbalanced, with no real close calls for the heroes. Yes, it was a challenge, but in the same way that hitting a hole in one in a golf game is a challenge, it's more of a complex task, rather than a life threatening battle.
Also, unrealtedly, but not to break the spoiler text. Why the [censored] did they kill Coulson? Yes, I get it, the team needed to be motivated, but why Coulson? In a cast that included Tony Stark and Nick Fury he was still somehow the most awesome character in the recent films, standing up to Loki with a gun with barely no chance, and they killed him off.
Also, thinking on it, Nick Fury was really underused. Really badass opening, then all he does is wander around, boss people about, lie a bit, then shoot a plane with an RPG. Would've been nice to have seen him, and maybe the rest of shield handle a bit of the alien threat... Again, don't get me wrong, very enjoyable, and highly entertaining to watch during. It's just that afterwards, when you think about it, it doesn't hold up as well when you hold the plot as delivered to scrutiny, esp. if you have no real comic knowledge.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on May 3, 2012 22:30:46 GMT
Iron Man/Hulk got involved because a villain has hold of the Tesseract, an item which has enough power to destroy the world. The aliens were called the Chitauri, it was mentioned a couple of times, but I did know that before I went into the movie, so maybe I was looking out for it. The way I understood it, Loki wanted Earth subjugated because of what happened in 'Thor', and had promised them the Tesseract in return. Something like that.
I'm with you on Coulson though. Sad to see him go.
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Post by Calisto on May 4, 2012 11:51:13 GMT
Can't say much about this really, other than I loved it. Yes, there are flaws, which you guys have pointed out, but it was a very enjoyable film to watch, definitely worth sitting still in a dark room for 3 hours for.
Multiple best bits for me in the film, and I would definitely go watch it again in the cinema; it's not often I can say that. Definitely made up the disappointment of Thor (the movie) for me. (I'll probably get shot for that, but if you want me to, I will say why the Thor movie disappointed me).
All the character interaction, reintroducing the characters, and the humour; it was all amazing for me.
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Post by Matt on May 4, 2012 11:57:10 GMT
Can't say much about this really, other than I loved it. Yes, there are flaws, which you guys have pointed out, but it was a very enjoyable film to watch, definitely worth sitting still in a dark room for 3 hours for. Multiple best bits for me in the film, and I would definitely go watch it again in the cinema; it's not often I can say that. Definitely made up the disappointment of Thor (the movie) for me. (I'll probably get shot for that, but if you want me to, I will say why the Thor movie disappointed me). All the character interaction, reintroducing the characters, and the humour; it was all amazing for me. Cal why the Thor hate... I thought Thor was probably the best depiction of Thor, much better then Avngers: EMH, the regular marvel universe or even the ultimate marvel universe
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Post by Calisto on May 4, 2012 12:48:03 GMT
I didn't mind the character. I did mind the sudden love interest over three days when they barely talked, Thor seemed to walk the same road 3 times when trying to leave the town, and Loki seemed like the most confused villain ever. Wasn't sure whether the director wanted me to love him or hate him, which if that was the intention, fair enough. I don't know, it just felt too long a film with barely anything properly happening, except in the first 20/30 minutes...
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Post by NumberOfThings on May 4, 2012 13:08:36 GMT
I posted my full spoiler-free review here. These are the main reasons I loved it: - It achieves a great balance between all the characters, giving them all numerous memorable, satisfying moments in both dialogue and action scenes. Whedon has done this before, in the Serenity movie and in the Buffy season 5 finale. - The best section of the film: Loki's manipulation of the team from inside his cage, leading to the central argument scene. - The Avengers' best action sequence comes at the end. I really do think it's the best-sustained long action movie finale since The Matrix. That's unlike pretty much every other superhero movie, which tend to raise the stakes and strain believability a little too much for the third act, with the result that the best action scene is usually one from earlier on (the clearest examples of this are X-Men 2, Batman Begins, Iron Man 1, and Superman Returns). - In the action scenes, there's a constant flow of events that would be highlights of any of these characters' individual movies - but they get lost because they're almost immediately followed up by even better ones! - It's extremely funny. The dialogue is amusing (the early Stark/Pepper scene is much better than any of their banter in Iron Man 2), but it mostly avoids the "Buffyspeak" style that I like but which puts many people off Whedon's writing. But what I was most surprised and entertained by were the visual gags involving the Hulk! Admittedly the plot is very straightforward, due to its tight focus on the Tesseract. There's none of the digressions and the sense that anything could happen that The Dark Knight had on first viewing. However, I think a simple plot was probably the right decision; I doubt it could have juggled a complex plot and still featured so much action and balanced the characterisation of so many characters as well as it did. It's all just so much fun that it seems almost a shame to go from something as joyful and exuberant as this back to the tone of the Nolan Batman movies! Also, I can't find a source for Denisof's casting outside of IMDB itself (everything just keeps pointing back to it) - so I'd say it's likely bullcrap. No, he's definitely in it. I've been watching a lot of Angel episodes recently, so his name in the end credits stood out to me. Took me a moment to realise who "The Other" was though!
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Post by Blizz on May 4, 2012 13:34:43 GMT
Do I necessarily NEED to see Captain America and Thor (and possibly Iron Man 2) before I see The Avengers?
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on May 4, 2012 13:57:26 GMT
I'd say that you'll miss out on a few things if you don't see Thor before watching The Avengers. Wouldn't bother with Captain America or Iron Man 2 though - all you need to know is that Cap was a WW2 super soldier, who got frozen and woke up in the present day.
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Post by Calisto on May 4, 2012 13:59:37 GMT
I'd say it's worth watching them though, while not necessary, it is kinda worth it.
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Post by madhair60 on May 4, 2012 16:34:44 GMT
I want to respond to Nam's criticisms but I can't be arsed spoiler-ing EVERYTHING. So
SPOILER WARNING, THERE ARE SPOILERS IN THIS POST
Uh... he has the Tesseract.
Yes, basically. Pretty much explicitly stated near the beginning in the scene with Loki and The Other.
The Chitauri, also explicitly stated.
Captain America has several close calls, ditto Iron Man. In fact everyone does until Bruce turns up, they're getting pretty smacked down. Their subsequent success is reflective of how they've come together as a unit.
I don't know what to tell you. What would you have preferred? Hundreds, possibly thousands of innocents died. This was evident from the memorial sequences shown after the battle ended.
They're not gonna kill off Captain America or Iron Man, are they? Galaga Guy wasn't really developed enough. Besides, he's not dead. Probably.
And he also kills a bunch of Loki's men in the helicarrier invasion. Which is a lot of stuff. He's Nick Fury, and he does exactly what Nick Fury always does.
SPOILERS END HERE
God, I hate defending stuff. I always feel so gross doing it. I was just really impressed by the movie.
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Post by The Stiv™ on May 4, 2012 19:15:56 GMT
Coulson was killed because he's a character everyone loves in a Joss Whedon production.
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Post by The Shad on May 4, 2012 20:28:09 GMT
Tony made a joke about LMDs at the start. LMDs are used all the damn time in the comics. Fury manipulated their emotions to get the team to work together. Clark Gregg is in talks to appear in IM3. He's not dead. Also, post-credit scene that only aired in the States. No spoilers.
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on May 6, 2012 20:33:10 GMT
Went to see it this afternoon. BEST. MARVEL. FILM. EVER!!!Warner/DC are gonna have their work cut out for them if they want to top this. I and most of the cinema were howling with laughter when Hulk decked Loki.
Thanos for sequel villain? I've not seen a lot of him, but I know the gist of his character and motives. Also, he's a major Silver Surfer foe, so maybe Silvy is making an appearance?
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Post by Alex on May 6, 2012 20:39:23 GMT
^ Silver Surfer/Galactus is definitely off the cards, especially with a new Fantastic Four movie in pre-production. Thanos's first appearance is in search of the Cosmic Cube (/Tesseract) - hence his involvement in this movie. It's the Infinity Gauntlet storyline that he really makes his name in, though - and I'd assume that a large part of that will play into a second Avengers movie.
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Post by Pitt on May 6, 2012 23:40:07 GMT
Thanos is more of an Adam Warlock villain than a Silver Surfer villain. I guess Warlock is less well-known, though.
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Post by The Shad on May 30, 2012 20:26:20 GMT
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Post by Alex on May 30, 2012 21:08:19 GMT
That's the worst [censored]ing article I've ever [censored]ing read.
On the plus side, since I'd assume this has something to do with making an Iron Man Captain America, I'm hoping Chris Evans gets a cameo appearance.
Also, that entire [censored]ing website makes me want to commit suicide.
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