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Post by segaz on Jan 3, 2007 4:50:04 GMT
he better not be that stupid human-like one That'll be hard when Robotnik is a human. Er, right. I really should think befo'e I post huh? But what I meant was the latest version of him. Oh and I@m surprised that STC never really used the Egg-o-Matic that Robotnik used to use from like issue 25 onwards. It' have been cool to have had the moment where Sonic taks a brief ride in it from Sonic 3. Maybe there's a reason why Robotnik abandoned these old inventions?
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Post by Samface on Jan 3, 2007 16:03:22 GMT
Oh and I@m surprised that STC never really used the Egg-o-Matic that Robotnik used to use from like issue 25 onwards. It' have been cool to have had the moment where Sonic taks a brief ride in it from Sonic 3. Knuckles used one to get back to the Floating Island in #38 or so. Then Robotnik blew it up.
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Post by Tom on Jan 3, 2007 17:36:13 GMT
That'll be hard when Robotnik is a human. Er, right. I really should think befo'e I post huh? But what I meant was the latest version of him. Oh and I@m surprised that STC never really used the Egg-o-Matic that Robotnik used to use from like issue 25 onwards. It' have been cool to have had the moment where Sonic taks a brief ride in it from Sonic 3. Maybe there's a reason why Robotnik abandoned these old inventions? maybe because they never worked and he always lost?
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Post by Spudiator on Jan 4, 2007 23:10:10 GMT
I know the Hyper Sonic suggestion has widely been slated, but I'd love to see it happen if for nothing more than to see Thalia's vision of Hyper made into a strip! Thalia's Hyper Sonic
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Post by Metallix Brother on Jan 4, 2007 23:55:43 GMT
as cool a concept that is, how would it work?
Super Sonic has the power and insanity to destroy the world with ease, and would probably take about a day or so to wipe the universe out. Where could you take Hyper Sonic?
Although, having said that, I've thought on the subject as well.
Whilst this might seem crazy, would there be the possibility that Hyper Sonic is in 'control'.
Bear with me on this. Super Sonic is completely insane, because all this raw power is too much for Sonic's mind. However, as Hyper Sonic is a higher level (as much as that sounds like a Dragonball Z type saying) maybe this extended level is not so much an increase in power, but an increase in the control of this power. I suppose a good amount of the reasoning behind this would be the fact that pictures I've seen people have done who are connected with StC-O often have hyper with 'normal' pupils, albeit with a different colour, as opposed to swirl of death!.
Just my thoughts on the matter ;D
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Post by Pombar on Jan 5, 2007 3:29:10 GMT
I dunno, I'd have thought Hyper Sonic would be again an altered Sonic, though instead of being manic, crazy and evil, just more calm & controlled. Throw in some snooty arrogance and/or disinterest in everything that's going on, and it could work. It's still largely unnecessary though, I guess.
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Post by Spudiator on Jan 5, 2007 7:36:40 GMT
I dunno, I guess it could work. Like you say MB, Super Sonic's overloaded with so much raw power that he loses control and goes psycho, so Hyper Sonic would be almost god-like! The ability to control every aspect of the Chaos Emerald power like Robotnik was in "Robotnik Reigns Supreme", but without losing it like Super always does. I'm not sure how you'd incorporate it into a story or how it could change the dynamic of the character, but I'd still love to see it happen just to see Thalia's interpretation in comic strip form!
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Post by Metallix Brother on Jan 5, 2007 9:04:53 GMT
obviously there would have to be somekind of major drawback for the development to become interesting, the most obvious I suppose being only able to sustain the form for a very brief moment.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jan 5, 2007 10:54:07 GMT
Super Sonic's overloaded with so much raw power that he loses control and goes psycho, so Hyper Sonic would be almost god-like! That's the precise reason I wouldn't want Hyper Sonic to show up. If Hyper Sonic were to be "in control", he'd have to be a much more sadistic, sultry type of evil. Like Rampage from Beast Wars. Otherwise he'd just be detestable.
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Post by Pitt on Jan 5, 2007 11:02:44 GMT
In my opinion, Hyper Sonic's personality should be similar in some ways to Jacen Solo from Legacy of the Force. Whereas Super Sonic is a genocidal psychopath, Hyper Sonic is a detatched, almost emotionless creature who comes out when Sonic experiences emotions other than stress or anger, perhaps extreme fear or sadness, which would possibly explain why he hasn' been seen before. Unlike Super Sonic, Hyper Sonic is not obsessed with destruction and death, but actually shares Sonic's personal goals. However, he has no mental inhibitions, and is willing to kill his enemies or sacrifice civilians for what he views as the greater good. For example, if Hyper Sonic was confronted with the escape of an enemy and an immediate danger to civilians, he would always pursue his enemy, reasoning that civilian deaths are necessary sacrifices that must be made to prevent the villain from causing even more damage.
My other, less interesting idea, would be to have Hyper Sonic as the prototype controller of Chaos energy created by the Drakon Empire, but maybe to keep Chaos in check, should he ever manage to escape from whatever prison was holding him. However, when it became clear that Chaos was unlikey to ever break free, Hyper Sonic was sealed away in a secret lab buried somewhere on Mobius, and is inadvertently set free by Sonic. However, unlike many creations, Hyper Sonic is loyal to his creators, and seeks to steal the Chaos Emeralds and conquer Mobius for the Drakon Empire.
I don't really think that Hyper Sonic should be an omnipotent threat. His maximum power should probably be somewhere between that of Shadow and Super Sonic. He should be a deadly threat, but not an invincible one. That might make it more interesting, given that Sonic seems skilled in defeating omnipotent villains.
Those are my ideas.
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Post by Samface on Jan 5, 2007 14:14:56 GMT
Or...you could not bother because omnipotent heroes are the most boring thing ever. (Omnipotent villains are a pretty close second, RRS was a rare exception.)
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Post by Spudiator on Jan 5, 2007 17:58:10 GMT
In my opinion, Hyper Sonic's personality should be similar in some ways to Jacen Solo from Legacy of the Force. Whereas Super Sonic is a genocidal psychopath, Hyper Sonic is a detatched, almost emotionless creature who comes out when Sonic experiences emotions other than stress or anger, perhaps extreme fear or sadness, which would possibly explain why he hasn' been seen before. Unlike Super Sonic, Hyper Sonic is not obsessed with destruction and death, but actually shares Sonic's personal goals. However, he has no mental inhibitions, and is willing to kill his enemies or sacrifice civilians for what he views as the greater good. For example, if Hyper Sonic was confronted with the escape of an enemy and an immediate danger to civilians, he would always pursue his enemy, reasoning that civilian deaths are necessary sacrifices that must be made to prevent the villain from causing even more damage. I actually like that idea, something along the lines that Sonic is in a typical battle or whatever, and at some point would just get so disillusioned with everything he'd slip into a deep depression whereby he'd slowly evolve into Hyper Sonic, with all the Super Sonic powers, but completely emotionless. Something like that could be an epic if handled right.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jan 5, 2007 18:45:20 GMT
If you want extreme depression, surely Johnny's death is an ideal event to flashback to?
Nevertheless, I think Hyper Sonic is a rubbish idea to pursue. Yes, Thalia's depiction of him is very cool, but that's not enough incentive to introduce super "levels". Having Hyper Sonic would just undermine Super Sonic.
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2007 18:52:54 GMT
The idea of something that would undermine Super Sonic has me very intrigued... particularly considering that Super Sonic has its own personality, which can exist outside of Sonic... what if these internal demons are wreaking war on each other within Sonic?
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Post by Baron Canier on Jan 5, 2007 18:56:58 GMT
And suddenly I'm reminded of The Incredible Hulk cartoon series...
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Post by Pombar on Jan 5, 2007 18:59:14 GMT
And suddenly I'm reminded of The Incredible Hulk cartoon series... Where the reguar Hulk and the Grey one fought it out inside his brain? xD (and was Banner there too...? I forget) That was great, and possibly the only ep I ever saw.
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Post by Baron Canier on Jan 5, 2007 19:01:16 GMT
Where the reguar Hulk and the Grey one fought it out inside his brain? xD (and was Banner there too...? I forget) That was great, and possibly the only ep I ever saw. Yeah, that's the one. Though apparently they were always duking it out in Banner's sub-conscious (until he lost control, at least), which must've made for one hell of a migraine.
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Post by Pitt on Jan 5, 2007 19:13:15 GMT
So Hyper Sonic is actually Joe Fixit? In that case, Hyper Sonic awakes in the desert outside the Casino Night Zone and is found by Max Gamble, who takes him back to his casino, gives him a sharp suit and sets him up as his leg-breaker. ;D
Further to what I mentioned earlier, I think it would be an interesting thing to see Sonic in a dream/hallucination sequence, confronted with images of him creating Robotnik, Johnny's death, his recent wheelings and dealings with the Drakons and finally Hyper Sonic, chained within his mind and struggling to claw his way into the real world.
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2007 22:09:38 GMT
Super Sonic isn't the Hulk, though. Super Sonic's a demon. The Hulk's just a misunderstood, sub-intelligent... Hulk.
Still, it's partial inspiration... if you're going to do a Hyper Sonic, he would need to be a nastier version of Super Sonic.
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Post by Pitt on Jan 5, 2007 22:48:04 GMT
Maybe so, but I think that Hyper Sonic should be Super Sonic's opposite. In Super Sonic we find a psychotic monster with designs on mass destruction. Therefore, I believe that any Hyper Sonic that may or may not appear ought to be a cold, emotionless creature who cuts down his enemies and any civilians who have the misfortune to be in the way with dispassionate, clinical detatchment.
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Post by Pombar on Jan 5, 2007 23:08:48 GMT
I still think Hyper Sonic need not be evil/chaotic etc to be a useful plot device. If he just was so omnipotent that the worldly matters didn't interest him, it could work. So he was just generally unreliable to solve any problem, didn't care either way about the bad guys or Sonic's friends, and would require some sort of motive (to stop people irritating him, or being presumptious, like thinking they can tell him what to do, or thinking he's a worthy opponent for them, etc etc) to get him active. Then again, that sounds boring the way I put it. Forget that old rubbish xD But yeah, it'd be hard to do Hyper Sonic well, since everyone seems to have different views on what Hyper Sonic should be like... Though personally I'd say that making him another psychotic madman would just detract from Super Sonic, which Super Sonic really doesn't deserve, seeing as he's such a fan fave and has been awesome for the series thus far, other people obviously feel differently, and don't think it would detract. And we don't honestly need him either. Super Sonic is powerful enough.
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2007 23:31:37 GMT
I see Hyper Sonic as a tyrant. Not that any of this will ever get used (there's too many hedgehogs running around as it is)
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Post by Pombar on Jan 5, 2007 23:34:15 GMT
I see Hyper Sonic as a tyrant. If he were to be evil, I'd say that something would have to make Super Sonic remain deadly, like him perhaps being more powerful or something, with Hyper Sonic being less powerful, but smarter/more in control, and perhaps not running out of power like Super does. Ain't that the truth.
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Post by Metallix Brother on Jan 6, 2007 0:06:34 GMT
Still, it's partial inspiration... if you're going to do a Hyper Sonic, he would need to be a nastier version of Super Sonic. You're talking about a psychopathic demon with the power, and ambition, to destroy the entire planet without so much as a sweat. I fail to see how you could get nastier. He's a pretty sadistic bugger on the side, dragging out Sonic's suffering as he fights him.
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Post by Samface on Jan 6, 2007 0:25:15 GMT
He could quite deliberately not use a coaster.
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