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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Apr 27, 2005 14:26:25 GMT
Hey, nice! Beats mine hands down...!
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Post by Robert Frazer on Apr 27, 2005 17:14:13 GMT
You'd be surprised, Jamie J. [/u] - Pretentious? Moi?Quoting "From Alien to the Matrix: Reading Science Fiction Film". "Randy Quaid's character has been abducted by alien visitors and subjected to indignities which appear to have included the famous anal probe... At the climax of the film, he destroys the alien battlecruiser by flying his jet straight into its disintegrator beam, which is housed behind a large mechanical sphincter in the bottom of the ship. His revenge is to return unwelcome destructive penetration in kind." -Roz Kaveney on "The complexities of anxieties about homosexual panic" in Independence Day.[/quote] ... ... ... ... ...
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Post by JC on Apr 27, 2005 17:17:56 GMT
*Reads the quote....* well... .... he did say "alright you alien [censored]! before he died Edit by Retro - I have told you before, do NOT didge the filter.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Apr 27, 2005 17:21:57 GMT
Also the voice they have, there is no hint of personality, they live to kill and they will kill. I'd say that's all gonna change in the 'Dalek' episode... The voice is annoying though He ees keeding, right?!
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Post by ronson on Apr 27, 2005 17:30:02 GMT
HE ISNT ?!?!
The Dalek voice is one of the most definative in TV history. The cybermen have a pretty mean sound too.
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Post by hyperknucks on Apr 28, 2005 14:47:29 GMT
He ees keeding, right?! No i'm not. I better but it in lower terms. The voice is weird.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Apr 28, 2005 16:40:03 GMT
Yeah, weird is th' word! It's also damn, DAMN scary. www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwhoThere's a Dalek game coming out after the episode where you get to, presumably, kill people! Hallelujah!
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Post by Hevs on Apr 30, 2005 12:50:32 GMT
I can't wait for tonights episode! at least the dalkes can get up stairs now
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Apr 30, 2005 15:45:00 GMT
Counting down the minutes...!
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Post by Robert Frazer on Apr 30, 2005 16:55:57 GMT
I can't wait for tonights episode! at least the dalkes can get up stairs now They were able to ascend staircases ever since the Seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) adventure, Remembrance of the Daleks. Anti-gravity repulsors are a long-established constituent of the Doctor Who technocracy. [/fanboy pedanticism]
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Post by Ed on Apr 30, 2005 17:07:49 GMT
Bah, gonna have to miss it this week. Hopefully the good folks back home will stick a tape in for me or I'll have to wait for the DVD sets. Hope it's cool.
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Post by banninated on Apr 30, 2005 17:32:07 GMT
hey I am watching dr who right now and Darlek gets a speedy uprade, by absorbing electricity, it goes super darlek(well gold lookin)
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Apr 30, 2005 17:53:31 GMT
WOW! A DAMN good episode! The bit at the end made me cry!! (just a bit, but for me that's quite something) The rampage wasn't as good as it could've been, but it was a touching and thrilling episode. Nice! And try the Dalek game on www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho, it's absolutely awesome!
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Post by Hevs on Apr 30, 2005 17:55:15 GMT
ooooh! that was one of the best. I feel sad because it was the last dalek and I was hoping to see another invasion but I suppose the farting slitheens were good enough. Cant wait for next weeks, we'll get a taste of the not too far future!
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Post by Robert Frazer on Apr 30, 2005 17:58:05 GMT
Glorious.
Absolutely glorious.
For the first time, I can't say anything more.
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Post by Hevs on Apr 30, 2005 18:01:36 GMT
Thank god
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Post by Samface on Apr 30, 2005 18:02:07 GMT
That was a really weird episode. I'm not sure if I liked it or not. I mean, woaaah, the, like, deadliest lifeform in the galaxy gives in to its feelings, maaaaan. But it was pretty well done, especially the little Dalek model inside. I'd only ever seen the inside of Davros before, not one of the bog-standard soldiers, so that was interesting. Excellent acting from Ecclestone and Piper, too, considering they were just bouncing off a (let's face it) really stupid-looking robot thing. The scene where the Doctor taunted it in the cage was superb.
I really liked the woman who took over from thingy Internet guy. She was brilliant. The new companion, whatever his name is, seems decent too.
But screw all that...
SIMON PEGG'S IN NEXT WEEK'S! ;D;D;D
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Post by Hevs on Apr 30, 2005 18:04:30 GMT
I liked it when the secretary said something like "Tonight mr van Statten will be a brainless junkie, living in seattle, (or whatever) SOMETHING BEGINNING WITH S!"
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Post by Retro on Apr 30, 2005 18:12:21 GMT
That episode has broken all faith I had in the new series.
The Daleks, in all TV series' were the most deadly and unstoppable icons of terror in the sci-fi world. BAR NONE.
The voice that shouted "YOU WILL ALL DIE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINAAAAAAAATE!" is TERROR!
I was watching it escaping and rampaging and going up stairs and everything, it was a scene of panic and atmosphere, EXCELLENTLY done.
But the BBC have ruined it by making it 'have feelings' and 'question its ability to kill'
The thing ceased to become a terror icon to the world (heck one of those night terrors I mentioned in the nightmares thread WAS a DALEK!) has now became a soppy thing with FEELINGS, you can reason and make them fear now. They are no longer monoistic killing machines.
The new Dr. Who series, awesome up till this episode...has now become absolute drivel and turned to being pathetic.
*brian friction from rage burns him up*
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Apr 30, 2005 18:19:30 GMT
But the BBC have ruined it by making it 'have feelings' and 'question its ability to kill' The thing ceased to become a terror icon to the world (heck one of those night terrors I mentioned in the nightmares thread WAS a DALEK!) has now became a soppy thing with FEELINGS, you can reason and make them fear now. They are no longer monoistic killing machines. * What the hell-! That was what was so good about the episode! Looking into the Dalek's heart proves that the writers are smart, that they can make a plot with substance. A story about a Dalek killing people all over again would be pathetic. We've seen it all before and we want something new. I thought the Dalek was still pretty scary. Look, all in all, I feel that the episode delivered in full and that no-one can call it 'soppy'.
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Post by jennytablina on Apr 30, 2005 18:24:57 GMT
I thought this was a rather good episode, it might be a little tough for some fans to stomach though. People I've spoken to are horrified at what just happened to the "Last" Dalek.
I say kudos to the scriptwriter for being a little brave with the plot. This is an episode that, had it been handled wrong. Might of all fallen apart. Plus it's nice to see how the Dr really feels about them and seeing it all from another view instead of his. Hopefully the rest of the series can keep this good standard up
A note to people who do whine about the story: The dalek was no longer a dalek by the point it died. It was mutating. Giving one Dalek feelings does not discredit it's entire race for it. No wonder it wanted to die, if it had lived then everyone would have hated it for being all soft and nice anyways
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Post by Retro on Apr 30, 2005 18:27:19 GMT
They have destroyed the whole idea of the Daleks, they arent meant to have a 'heart' to feel with. They are chrome plated KILLING MACHINES.
For script play and debates with them, thats what Davlos was for, someone to give them a direct character link to.
But creating this terrifing icon and then making it into a softy was a BAD BAD BAD move.
Sometimes just making something have a heart for 'script lines and plot' is a bad idea, the interaction between that museum guy and the Doctor, and between Rose and technician would have been enough.
The films Aliens are great, and they have no big 'heart' to their characters. Monoism is a plot device in its own.
*monoistic way of getting WHAM! hurt*
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Post by Robert Frazer on Apr 30, 2005 18:36:09 GMT
Now I've had some time to compose my thoughts, here's some genuine commentary on the new episode. ----------------------------- ----------------------------- "Dalek" sweeps away all other contenders, from old and new. It is an absolute triumph of television, conveying drama and emotion in equal measure, and propitious amounts of that. I'm notorious for being cruelly pedantic in my reviews of any sort of media, never permitting the slightest fault to be omitted as I indulge in a malevolent delight in tearing down every edifice. Yet it's genuinely requiring massive effort on my part to find anything that could conceivably construed as a fault in this edition of Doctor Who. My only quarrels with this episode was that Van Statten was something of a one-dimensional entity being your stereotype fresh-out-of-the-box Greedy Business Magnate Mk. I, the "elevating" Dalek looking a little too obviously computer generated, and the armaments of the soldiers still sounding like weedy pop-guns, lacking the throaty, tympanum-rupturing roar and growl of deadly armaments.
Beyond those niggles, however, "Dalek" is a majestic episode. Christopher Eccleston excels himself, spitting venom, rancour and loathing at his great foe as he circles it, each word of reprobation another twist of the knife, another vindictive, steel-capped kick to the stomach as he gives voice to an entire species' worth of resentment, and sheer, unadulterated hatred. The frisson in the atmosphere as Dalek and Doctor circle about each other in a deadly dance of death, every revolution disgorging another convulsing, vomiting spray of disgust, damnation and despair, burns through the air just as much as does the Dalek's own raygun.
Who could imagine that we could ever feel anything for the arch-nemesis of forty-one years of Doctor Who? I never envisaged it - but witnessing the Dalek engage in its final throes brought me, a proud man of eighteen who should have grown out of this, to literal tears. The hollow core of the Dalek's being - the soldier without an army, the warrior without a quest, the killer without a target - is communicated beautifully. Who would have thought that this prop would have been capable of conveying emotion? Yet the drooping eyestalk and the phlegmy, stuttering, electronic grate of its voice are harrowing things to see and hear. I'm not a limp-wristed libertarian who applauds the tired (and frankly embarrasing) plot device of "the evil beast has a nice side really", but the execution of it was superb - and sensibly treated, as well. The Dalek is ultimately a weapon - he can't tolerate emotion.
Although Van Statten himself was rather bland, as I communicated earlier, how his subordinates reacted to his tyrannous employment was well-realised. Adam putting an optimistic gloss on his chances of escaping with his cherished mind intact, and Van Statten's secretary sacrastic and prim way of giving the proprietor a taste of his own medicine, were both marvellously human.
Again, there are pleasing fillips of continuity to keep us "Classic Series" fanboys sated - the Cyberman's decapitated head and the old jokes about stairs and "pepperpots" brought a self-deprecatory smile to my face.
"Dalek" was a marvellously emotive piece of television, superbly acted, and impeccably written, infusing the viewer with as much emotion as the cast. It's a pity really, because I fear no further episode could ever scale above this apogee. Let's hope I'm wrong!
Robert Shearman deserves a peerage for delivering us this script - I await His Grace Duke Shearman of Utah's entrance into the House of Lords eagerly! -------------------------------- -------------------------------- Retro, as I related in that review, I'm not fond of the "there's a golden centre past the crust of hate" sort of plot, either - good God, I'm an avid Warhammer 40,000 player and I don't consider my day complete unless there's an abolute massacre with the kill counter sent flying off the scale!
But whatever you think of the Daleks, a warrior race deserves a death with honour. This could never be achieved if the Dalek's end was a dirty, miserable, dirt-smeared cessation, ground to paste by sheer wearying attrition. We would feel deflated, not sombre. The humble way the Dalek meets its death instead enables us to give one last salute, acknowledging the Dalek's massive legacy even though we may despise it. There's a hint of atonement. It was a moving way to end a war that has clashed and crackled across forty-one years of television, books and comics. As the Doctor mutters humourlessly at the close of the episode - "I win."
I understand that new watchers of Doctor Who, disassociated from this long history, might not appreciate the nuances and subtleties of this plot. But as a long-term fan of the series, I think that it was a poetic requiem.
So. Six weeks until we have the Dalek renaissance. Will we come to fear and respect the new as much as we did the old? Can they match the high standard of terror and murder their predecesors achieved? What worlds will be broken, what stars devoured, what races obliterated? In the death of this Dalek, there shall follow even more. That's what you should remember, and not get hung up on whining about "cheesiness". There's a much darker backdrop to this episode than you might anticipate.
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Post by hyperknucks on Apr 30, 2005 18:50:46 GMT
That episode was amazing. I underestimated [spl?] The daleks. They're scaryer then I thought and I also felt sorry for the dalek. Last of his race with no one to talk to. Wanting freedom but instead being tortured in a closed up chamber. Although I think the story was abit short for the worlds biggest enemy of the docter. Yet they done two or three parts for last weeks one. It's also abit of a shame that they've killed off the whole entire dalek race. I mean he's the greatest enemy of the docter and it would be wicked for them to show up again.
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Post by JC on Apr 30, 2005 18:59:27 GMT
Retro please be calm,
That was one dalek, star trek did something similar with the borg in the next generation, they captured one and gave it feelings and a personality. they then sent it back to the collective hoping it would give the collective individuality and criple it... it didnt quite work out.
What occured was a "sister race" which was individual but more violent and more effective killing machines.
Take tonights dalek. it now has every single feeling a human can have... dont we feel anger, hatred, envy, revenge as well as fear and sadness? humans are capable of feeling the desire to wipe out those who we see as lesser beings, and the dalek stil saw itself above humans as it said that it would carry out with the primary objective, but because it was getting used to the new emotions it was confused, all what would have been needed was time, time to adapt and learn.
before daleks were mindless killing machines but this one had the potential to be a killing machine which could feel pleasure as it killed, a warm blooded darlek kill because it enjoys it not because its programed to.
However this was one dalek. It didnt come into contact with any other daleks and it is likely its emotions wont be passed onto any more which may/will arrive.
However.....
as with star trek the borg like the daleks were considered to be the most terrifying aliens in science fiction at one point. But when voyager came out they showed them a lot, it removed lots of mystery about them and a lot of fans dont fear them as much.
Daleks like the borg have always had a mystery about them. Nobody had ever seen what a dalek looks like.... untill tonight. Now we know what the creature inside the battle armour looks like and do be honest it looked a lot like what someone throws up, or an octopus.
personally it would have been better if we had P.O.V shots from the dalek as it died, or close ups of some of its tenticles or its eye, not the whole creature. That way we still keep a bit of the mystery.
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