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Post by supertailschao on Apr 16, 2006 12:11:20 GMT
if any of you have seen anything from the old series you will know what im talking about
theres supposed to be a return of K-9 & the cybermen my favourite Dr.who villan
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Post by wussycat on Apr 16, 2006 12:18:07 GMT
Am I the only one who cried at the end?
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Post by Alex on Apr 16, 2006 13:17:20 GMT
I think I read in an old 'the Guardian' that she was written out halfway through the series, because she didn't want to become a one-character actor (not sure ofthe right term for it), or some such. I'm might be mistaken, though. --Ray Both Billie and David have confirmed they'll be doing Season 3. Though Billie didn't say how much of it she'd be doing. |
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Post by ashurathecomic on Apr 16, 2006 14:04:21 GMT
Yeah, that might be it. ^_^;;
I should probably not just skim things when I read them.
--Ray
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Post by Alex on Apr 16, 2006 14:39:26 GMT
is it repeted if so when and what channel? It's on BBC3 tonight at 7. With another chance to see Doctor Who Confidential on afterwards as well. |
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Post by robbienekoda on Apr 16, 2006 18:56:39 GMT
I LOVE Doctor Who, and every episode of the last series (Aside from the abysmal Aliens of London/WW3 of course), so my own opinion surprised me.
I thought it was okay at first, but to be honest, I really don't like it, both as a viewer and screenwriter.
Having a bodyswap so soon after a regeneration wasn't something I'd do, though it was in theory done well.
ANOTHER Zombies-but-not-zombies story, four or five episodes after the last - yawn.
You can tell it was written by RTD purely for the jokes about body parts. And having Mr. Tennant act really rather camp. You can't help but wonder sometimes if he's got a "screenwriter fetish" or something.
I think the real downfall of this was the inclusion of Cassandra. As if RTD's attempts to sledgehammer the absolute tripe which is the Slitheen into the limelight weren't enough, the "old enemy" ("Old", Haha) facked it up completely. You could have quite easily replaced her with someone else, done away with the bodyswapping nonsense, and still had a perfectly good episode.
It seems the inclusion of Cassandra was puely for not only humour which seems to get sillier and sillier ("That's from the lion king" in TCI was the right side of silly) but also for yet another heartrending closing scene which, although the groundwork was laid, felt bolted on simply to BE heartrending, as though RTD NEEDS to beat Shearman's Dalek and Cornell's Father's Day in those stakes. This is prepostorous of course, but that's the message that seemed to be conveyed.
I think the opening episode in the series should have been simpler, and should have ended on a high note, like the episode Rose did. I also think that, as a whole, this episode would have been better further into the series, episode three at least.
It was a let down, to be perfectly honest. Still, my hopes for the series as a whole haven't been dashed. The acting and presentation was perfect (Aside from the awkward, deliberate cut before Cassandra swears, and one other awkward camera change later on). Roll on ep 2.
As for the "meanings" in the episode, it was made fairly obvious that the Face of Boe is a time traveller (Or there are more than one, which I don't believe). I think that now they've established the world a lot more, the writing team may be, through the FoB's message later, try and introduce more elements of the Doctor's past, more specifically something to do with Gallifrey itself.
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Post by Matt on Apr 17, 2006 3:09:55 GMT
Umm I think there needs to be a lot more on this fater all the building up, and backstory thats been hinted at, the whole, war against the daleks and time lord, which all happened off screen, as well as the actual destruction of the planet. It somthing they have been hinting at for a long time, however on the other hand, I think the less we know about the doctor the better. I like him best of as a man of the moment rather then a man of the past, who, we know as such a rich history but we never get to see. However past series have already explained much of his past, (whcih is a shame) As for this episode hit and miss with me, I agree with ed, on his comments of the infection effects, (i don't think they would just appear like that.) I also feel re introducing the face of boe, and casandra in the same episode and so early was a bit of a mistake. however I loved the seeting of new earth, the idea of it being so the same, yet so different, (made all the better as we couldn't see the differnce, but rose was overwhelmed by it.) The seeting and design of the city, and more particually the hospital, and the infomation about the green moons, and hospitals. though I keep thinking, 5 billion years in the future mankind seems only as advanced as they were in 4th great and bountiful human empire.  and that was 90 years behind it's self. |
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Post by Smithy on Apr 17, 2006 8:00:12 GMT
Y'know I've been watching the season one DVD recently quite liberally taking the mick out of Miss Piper, it's not that she's bad it's just that she comes from Swindon, so upon watching the new series I expected to be continuing with my space clamidia jokes, but...
Billie piper as Cassandra was awesome
I mean just plain quality acting talent, anyone who can do that is instantly absolved of all former crimes. Good for her.
Next week Shaolin monks will be fighting a werewolf in victorian England. Typing that makes me happy.
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on Apr 17, 2006 8:34:24 GMT
I hate to admit this, but I found Billie quite sexy when she was talking in her Cassandra voice.
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Post by Mobiusman on Apr 17, 2006 8:37:29 GMT
Her cockney accent was just awesome. I have waited so long to hear a stretched piece of skin that's taken over Billie Piper's body say "Guv'nor", but now I can cross it off the list.  |
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Post by ashurathecomic on Apr 17, 2006 16:15:16 GMT
I saw it, finally.
Yes. She was bleedin' awesome. I take back my previous remarks.
--Ray
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Post by Robert Frazer on Apr 18, 2006 0:34:40 GMT
While I would hesitate to endorse Captain Nekoda's complaint that Cassandra shouldn't have been the antagonist (bulking out the cast with a new figure when an existing one will already fit into the mould quite readily seems inelegant, and the thwarted villains that doggedly rise to challenge the hero again do enjoy a deliciously dastardly appeal, and allows them to at least borrow the sumptuous robes of a determined nemesis), I have to echo his sentiment that the final scene of her death was rather inept. It definitely did seem 'bolted-on', mainly because Cassandra's resignation to her demise was so abrupt. She's expended the entire episode pursuing a new body and an extended life - why would she, within literally a single line of dialogue, willingly hurl herself into existential indifference? I suppose you could claim that Cassandra's short spell in the disease-mutant demonstrated that her host bodies could make an impression on her, and so her servant's deliberately-engineered truncated life made death seem "natural", but nonetheless it's awfully convenient. Some might call it Damascene, but it smacked more of simply being out of character.
Turning onto a different tack, I can anticipate The Face of Boe's "great truth":
BOE: Doctor, my life is ebbing away. Before the last of my vitality evaporates, let me not squander it but use it to impart this cosmic truth that I have guarded for *cough-cough* millenia...
DOCTOR: Yes...?
BOE: There...
DOCTOR: Yes?
BOE: Th-*hack-splutter-kafkaf*errrreee...
DOCTOR: *Raps impatiently on glass* YES?
BOE: There... *cough* is... no... spppppoooooooooooooooooooooonnnnn....urk.
DOCTOR: ...
ROSE: ...
THE MASTER: ...
THE CLERIC: ...
ADRIC'S GHOST: ...
DAVROS: ...
ARNOLD "ACE" RIMMER (Crossover special!): ...
CYBERMAN CONTROLLER: ...
ALPHA CENTAURI: ...
SALYAVIN: ...
THE MANDARIN: ...
LORD LETHBRIDGE-STUART OF NEW PRIORY (Brig. UNIT, Rtd.): ...
THE RT. HON HARRIET JONES, M.P.: ...
K-9: ...
GENERAL SONDAR: ...
JACKIE TYLER: ...wozzunit s'post t'be that number, ooh, I dunno... "69", right?
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Post by Alex on Apr 18, 2006 1:21:53 GMT
because Cassandra's resignation to her demise was so abrupt. She's expended the entire episode pursuing a new body and an extended life - why would she, within literally a single line of dialogue, willingly hurl herself into existential indifference? I suppose you could claim that Cassandra's short spell in the disease-mutant demonstrated that her host bodies could make an impression on her, and so her servant's deliberately-engineered truncated life made death seem "natural", but nonetheless it's awfully convenient. That's not really how I saw it. I thought it made quite a bit of sense really. For a being that seems to be so obsessed about death that the obsession comes not from trying to avoid it completely but to 'die when ready' it's not all that indifferent to how we generally would view death. We don't want to die and would happily extend our lives in almost any way possible if it meant we could die when we are ready to. That's why the Face of Boe was part of it - he was the example of being 'ready to die' and in the end more or less saying that he was no longer ready to die - that he had more to do - but that he would be in waiting for the time when he would, and that the Doctor would be there once again. Although convienient, most definitely. But you've got to wrap the episode up somehow and short of shoving in an extra act, there's not a lot I would suppose can be done. Though I definitely think the abrupt ending is worth it for the fantastic moment with Zoe Wannamaker right at the end. |
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Post by Devo DrakeFox on Apr 18, 2006 13:53:08 GMT
Saw it, loved it. 'Nuff said.
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Post by Samface on Apr 19, 2006 13:46:42 GMT
Decent episode, not the best. Brilliant when the Doctor and Rose were being possessed, but it got a bit silly towards the end as Cassandra kept jumping from body to body to body. I demand they rewrite the scene where the Doctor reveals New New York to contain a more concrete Futurama reference.  |
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Post by Lost Mercenary on Apr 19, 2006 22:17:22 GMT
Cassandra: OH MY GOD!!! I'M A CHAV!!!
Best Quote ever ;D
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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2006 19:08:35 GMT
Can someone tell me what was said in the last few minutes by the Queen?
My sisters dog wouldn't shut up.
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Post by ashurathecomic on Apr 22, 2006 19:08:45 GMT
Well, that was pretty cool. Gotta love the ninja monks. Torchwood was a bit of a surprise. A well done, one, though. --Ray |
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Post by homsar on Apr 22, 2006 19:21:12 GMT
Can someone tell me what was said in the last few minutes by the Queen? My sisters dog wouldn't shut up. Basically Queen Victoria said that she would set up a new institute dedicated to investigating otherworldly stuff, called Torchwood. And that's how it gets started. |
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Post by The Tikal who had no Toes on Apr 22, 2006 20:41:42 GMT
I wasn't as keen on this episode, it was a bit schlocky with the werewolves and stuff, but the Torchwood bit was excellent. As was David Tennant's Scottish accent, although he IS actually from there. And K9 IS BACK NEXT WEEK! |
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Post by Samface on Apr 23, 2006 13:33:01 GMT
Brilliant episode, blew last week's away. I can't be bothered to say any more than that. |
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Post by dazzy05 on Apr 23, 2006 14:38:20 GMT
I really loved last nights episode, better than last week's, the wolf is great.
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Post by Lost Mercenary on Apr 23, 2006 19:44:51 GMT
The music for this episode is probably some of the best I've ever heard for the Doctor Who series. Extremly dark and very fast paced. A good combination.
Watching the openign for this episode I immediatly thought Bulletproof Monk. lol
Speaking of which... whatever happened to those monks in this episode? Maybe they'll come back or something?
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Post by Chigs! on Apr 23, 2006 22:33:34 GMT
I rather enjoyed this weeks - certainly more than New Earth at least, if only because it kinda fitted together better I thought - the wolf special effects were really good I thought, and certainly a highlight for the episode - well, that and the crazy bullet time monks pre title sequence - if you didn't know you what you were watching, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was another bbc ident... ;P
Anyways, we've now had at least two Torchwood references, presumably leading up to the new spinoff show - could torchwood be series 2's "bad wolf"?
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Post by Alex on Apr 23, 2006 22:45:12 GMT
Torchwood doesn't actually begin until after the end of this series, so I don't see any reason for it not to pick up right where a climax to this series leaves it.
Which makes for an even more interesting question, it's been confirmed (I think so anyway, the BBC site for it says it to the best of my knowledge) that Captain Jack starts off not knowing how he got to 2006 Cardiff - so does that event follow on chronologically from the end of the last series, or from this one? And if so - will we be seeing Captain Jack again?
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and that was 90 years behind it's self.
