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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Mar 11, 2004 13:26:41 GMT
You all saw him.
Shadow, the Ultimate Lifeform, suspended in a giant tube, asleep, referred to as 'a weapon forged against by the ancient enemies of the Echidna' (Not exact words).
If Shadow was made by, lets say the Drakon, then what happens to the ARK incident? Does ARK even exist anymore in STC world?
And then that means Gerald may be written out of existence. As if Maria no doubt and the fantastic Bio-Lizard. Whats going on?
This thread is to see your ideas on what is happening regarding Shadow in STC-O.
Read my stories in my folder in the Boomer Zone, and tell me that Shadow does not deserve a seat in STC. Convince me that him, and his back story as it is in SA2Battle (completely unchanged) is the only Shadow that can be.
Would Shadow still be Shadow is he wasn't the Shadow that we know?
Replies. Tell me now. What's going on?
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Post by Sin on Mar 11, 2004 13:33:07 GMT
The games and STC are complete different universes. Although they star the same characters and similar stories you have to think of them being completely different. What I am trying to say is that the Shadow you saw at the end of 129 is a totally new character. You don't know anything about him and you can't think of him being anything related with the game version of Shadow.
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Post by DarkR on Mar 11, 2004 13:38:10 GMT
Sonic from the games is Sonic from the comic, isn't he?
Can't Shadow be?
I'm just affraid Shadow may get made rubbish. I have faith that he won't but there always the chance.
Shadow is to good to be just another charcter.
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Post by Samface on Mar 11, 2004 13:44:02 GMT
Sonic from the games is Sonic from the comic, isn't he? Not really. Sega Sonic = chilled out, carefree character who is always looking out for his friends (see the way he told Tails to "Take Amy and get outta here!" when the Egg Carrier crashed in Adventure 1) STC Sonic = abrasive, smart-aleck risk-taker who is only just learning that he sometimes needs to look out for his friends rather than just carrying on "the mission" (see last issue, escaping the Carrier with Tails rather than trying to find the Syndicate) who has the guilt and fear of an evil alter ego to worry about. I'm sure Shadow will be treated well, he's a character that people either love or hate (I'm in the former camp ;D) and Ed and the guys will no doubt know not to wind up the fans. |
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Post by Hades on Mar 11, 2004 13:57:55 GMT
Generally I think STC tries to fit Segas characters into its own framework.
Ie: if something in Sega Sonic contradicts something in STC sonic then they just will not include that sega sonic thing in STC.
I have completed SA2 yet but from what iv read Shadow dies or appears to die. I would like to see this happen in STC as well but im not overly fussed if they dont have it happen in exactly the same way as in the game.
This problem is more obviouse now we are in an age of computer games with cut scenes between levels. in the old Sonic 1, 2 and 3 days all STC had to worry about was what happend in the actuall levels. and besides "sonic fights so-and so and wins" there wasnt THAT much story in the games.
it allowed STC to make the universes seem more as one. unforchuntly with cut scenes it is harder and in some cases imposible to do this. changes to what happens in the games has to be made.
personnly im looking forward to hearing the STC shadow story. as an anchient wepon against the Drakons it has a lot of potential. But then I am a big fan of Drakon empire stories.
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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Mar 11, 2004 14:41:18 GMT
Lets hope they handle Shadow okay. Shadow really does mean a lot to me in terms of the future story's plots. In SA2Battle, Shadow dies leaving Sonic to return to Mobius to be the hero.
If this is recreated in STC then it could really change Sonic. Not only has he seen Johnny die because he was unable to attack Chaos.
But he would've now seen Shadow die to in order to allow him to live.
Sonic could potentially become very very angst, sad, miserable... whatever you want to call it.
It could also allow him to finally get intouch with his sensitive side, and his emotions.
Sonic as we know him could completely, and finally, grow up!
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Post by Admin Droid on Mar 11, 2004 16:36:02 GMT
I'm not going to comment on any of the specifics here, but I will say that this arc is going to be as much an adaptation of Sonic Adventure 2 as #175-184 was an adaptation of SA1.
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Post by ChaosX3 on Mar 11, 2004 16:53:00 GMT
Well, then, it's only natural you StCify them.
I think Shadow this time won't become a good guy and ultimately save the world. The next issue is "The end of the world"... Shadow in a jar, the end of the world.... Hmmm?
Anyway, I think the StC Sonic is a compete opposite to Sega Sonic.
Sega: "What you see is what you get- just a guy that loves adventure!" This signals the above average ego Sega have put on Sonic. He's a risk taker but he does it for fun and the thrill of seeing Eggman go down. He loves nothing more than his friends and even shows his enemies hints of respect (See Final Cutsene in Sonic's story on Sonic Adventure, where Sonic lets Eggman get away).
StC: Sonic is a Freedom Fighter and a rebel. He shows no remorse for some of his actions and, when he starts a mission, he become obsessed with finishing the job, and finishing it right. His decisions are sometimes a little rash, choosing to attack a Badnik and leave his friends(Part 2, Flickies Island saga). He is more of a rguy that would run into the face of danger because he had to.
Point proved?
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Post by tailschao on Mar 11, 2004 16:58:20 GMT
well. they said enemies, of the ancient echidnans......i count 2 groups that could've created shadow......the drakon, and the triceretrop things(okay I know that maybe impossibel, but they could have magic powers), or it could be a completely different group.
in the chaos arc, chaos was still fuelled by vengence adn anger as his main drives, the same as the games. so probably(i hope), something tragic will happen in shadow's past to make his character similar to the game shadow.
so i'm just going to wait and see what happens next. stc has improved on most of the charries from the games, so hopefully shadow will have more of a purpose than he already has in the games (amnesic twice, so finding out about himself in both sa2 and SH) i'll shut up now.
i can't wait to see wha tthe writers come up with.
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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Mar 11, 2004 16:59:51 GMT
Well this is bloody great. Can't wait now.
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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Mar 11, 2004 17:07:33 GMT
Two questions though Ed, and answer me properly. Will there be a Dr Gerald and a ARK?
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Post by Admin Droid on Mar 11, 2004 17:12:52 GMT
Like I said, Dark, I'm not answering specifics.
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Post by Hades on Mar 11, 2004 19:09:32 GMT
well. they said enemies, of the ancient echidnans......i count 2 groups that could've created shadow......the drakon, and the triceretrop things(okay I know that maybe impossibel, but they could have magic powers), or it could be a completely different group. Hold on, I thought that is was the Echidnas that created Shadow to fight their enmys not the other way around. or was I sadly wrong |
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Post by Hades on Mar 11, 2004 19:35:50 GMT
ok, ignore me, I just re-read the last issue.
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Post by Tom on Mar 11, 2004 20:25:17 GMT
Two questions though Ed, and answer me properly. Will there be a Dr Gerald and a ARK? Who's that insane, self-destructive genius... what's that gigantic air vessel..?  I think that's as close as you're going to get... the rest doesn't really gel with the STC universe, I don't think. And personally, I didn't think it was all that impressive in Sonic 2 either... |
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Post by Ben2k9 on Mar 11, 2004 22:00:11 GMT
um, Death Carrier = ARK maybe?
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Post by Samface on Mar 11, 2004 22:20:17 GMT
I think that was the point Tom was making...
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Post by HyperKnux99 on Mar 12, 2004 3:33:15 GMT
i think they aren't going to have gerald or maria (or if they do they will be quite different) but the comic should fallow the games. because there is no way the comic can add its own spin to sonic(since the first games had little plot) and then go back to what the games have as plot.
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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Mar 12, 2004 11:55:04 GMT
Amen.  |
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Post by Omochao on Mar 12, 2004 11:58:11 GMT
Did you know that pressing the attack button ear a trail of rings will make Shadow perform the light dash? This move can be very useful!
Bye bye!
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Post by Daniel Jones -(GRIMER)- on Mar 12, 2004 12:38:31 GMT
*Draws shotgun from trousers*
Right. This hsould have been done a long time ago.
BANG!
*SHOOTS OMACHAO THROUGH THE HEAD*
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Post by Spydaman LO on Mar 12, 2004 12:40:47 GMT
Ok honestly, was there any need what so ever for that stupid Omochao thing? It's off topic and just not funny.
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Post by Omochao on Mar 12, 2004 12:51:25 GMT
Hey, buddy, you don't like my work, you can just go flip yourself with an iron stick.
My working hours are over now, and you DON'T wanna get on my bad side. I'll flip you up, bub.
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Post by Michael on Mar 12, 2004 14:16:09 GMT
Let's try to keep on topic, shall we?
I think STC always gave a unique spin on the characters it chose to bring over from the games (recall that they didn't use _every_ character in a Sonic game ever) and STC-O will be no different.
Mike
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Post by Vector on Mar 12, 2004 17:33:32 GMT
i point out that this works both ways. Chaotix is now in heros cause no other team could be come up with. so its (i guess) something of a mutual exchange.
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