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Post by Samface on Mar 12, 2004 17:36:21 GMT
Erm, not following you... Do you mean the way that when Sonic Team redesigned Chaotix's personalities, they gave Charmy one that was (intentionally or not) based on STC's Charmy? Because Heroes Espio and Vector certainly don't bear much resemblance to STC Espio and Vector...
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Post by Admin Droid on Mar 12, 2004 18:43:36 GMT
What Mike said. But it isn't just about 'adding our own spin' for the sake of doing so. You need to make sure the plot remains faithful to what has gone before in the universe. My approach to SA2 is basically to look at the game and work out what interests me -- what the themes are, what makes Shadow an intriguing antagonist -- and then transpose that into the STC universe. You don't want to carry over chunks of plot because the universes are too different, but you can carry over themes and ideas, sometimes even imagery.
Hyperknux: But surely the comic has already added "its own spin" to the games?
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Post by Vector on Mar 12, 2004 21:48:04 GMT
what I mean was that normally stc follows the games, but it seems the games followed stc this time... I mean chaotix arnt in the us comics r they? hyper knux I need backup roung about now...
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Post by Michael on Mar 12, 2004 22:00:21 GMT
Chaotix have been a around a long time. They're in the US comics and were in their own game, "Knuckles Chaotix" back in the mid90's. Sonic Team just reinvented them for Sonic Heroes, they didn't take anything from STC, or nothing I've noticed anyway.
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Post by Vector on Mar 12, 2004 22:19:15 GMT
oh ok I was wrong. I try to keep up to date on the us 1 but there u go...
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Post by Ellie on Mar 12, 2004 22:30:10 GMT
Glad to hear it Mike STC is unique, lets leave it like that.
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Post by Vector on Mar 12, 2004 22:35:46 GMT
yeah I suppose. oh and back to subject just how do you know that shadow isnt as ultimate as he was? i mean he could still be ultimate lifeform.... it never said he wasnt
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Post by Ellie on Mar 12, 2004 22:37:36 GMT
very true. But then as much as I love Shadow, I think he's overrated, no offence and i'm sure many will disagree. I just thought Knuckles always made a better rival. Shadow needs to have something more to his character
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Post by Vector on Mar 12, 2004 22:51:12 GMT
wth? hes a perfect rival! if only HE didnt forget that lol.
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Post by Ellie on Mar 12, 2004 22:53:04 GMT
sorry mate, just my opinion. i'd be kinda boring if everyone had the same opinions now, wouldn't it?
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Post by Sin on Mar 12, 2004 22:55:18 GMT
I love Shadow, I did write a long post about why but I can't be bothered to post the reason again. So if you want to know why then look in the "Who is Cooler" topic.
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Post by Fangking Omega on Mar 12, 2004 22:55:47 GMT
i think they aren't going to have gerald or maria (or if they do they will be quite different) but the comic should fallow the games. because there is no way the comic can add its own spin to sonic(since the first games had little plot) and then go back to what the games have as plot. I can't imagine Maria or Gerald being there... just look, Dr. Robotnik is a transformed version of Dr. Kintobor in STC, but in the games, he's just Robotnik, and that's the family name. Given that history, they really wouldn't match up. Meh.
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Post by Vector on Mar 12, 2004 22:59:52 GMT
i can imagin that 'we all love sonic. sonic sonic!' and thered be no threads ethier just 'obey the will of eggman'
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Post by Ben2k9 on Mar 13, 2004 0:00:16 GMT
Shadow never did anything for me, but I hope he is portrayed well in StC.
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Post by HyperKnux99 on Mar 13, 2004 2:50:01 GMT
hyperknux: But surely the comic has already added "its own spin" to the games? has it? I dont' see anything from either comics in the games. I could be wrong but I haven't seen anything. and I think people took my comic on their own spin wrong. what I meant is the first games was robotnik evil, badnik everywhere. sonic saves day. not much plot so the comics added there own plot to that so it would be interesting... (and sell comics so they get money) then later the games started adding plot but the comics had been around for so long that they are totally different universes that just share similar characters and events. and yes vec chaotix is in the us comic.
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Post by Michael on Mar 13, 2004 10:34:09 GMT
I'm pretty sure Ed means that STC has already taken it's own spin on the games, _in_ the comic.
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Post by Tom on Mar 13, 2004 12:43:58 GMT
has it? I dont' see anything from either comics in the games. I could be wrong but I haven't seen anything. and I think people took my comic on their own spin wrong. what I meant is the first games was robotnik evil, badnik everywhere. sonic saves day. not much plot so the comics added there own plot to that so it would be interesting... (and sell comics so they get money) then later the games started adding plot but the comics had been around for so long that they are totally different universes that just share similar characters and events. The STC universe is practically the same as the game universe, actually... a lot of people use the humans as an example of them being completely different, but the people of Mobius are practically humans anyway, with just animal faces. With some very minor tweaks you could get away with fitting all the games into the STC universe while staying faithful to the premise, the differences are so minor. But adaptation was never the purpose of the comic...
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Post by Vector on Mar 13, 2004 15:07:08 GMT
mike and ed mean that there are game adapt stories eg chaos saga is sa1 and all that. hyperknux will tell you that therer are these in the us comic too(i am right about that?)
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Post by HyperKnux99 on Mar 13, 2004 20:43:02 GMT
yes vec u are arche did a sa1 adaptaion, and alot of the earlyier games too it did a little back up story for sonic chuffle and lead up to the events in sa2 but didn't show anythign form that game (except a few short glimpses of shadow) they haven't done any of the newer games (eg sonic heroes, sonic advance1&2, sonic battle, or even the show sonic x) and ed no cream please! (hopefully neither will archie.)
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Post by Tom on Mar 13, 2004 22:07:59 GMT
There's a lot of requests for Cream and I think they're going to put her in an upcoming issue, much to my chagrin.
I did pitch a couple of amusing ideas for her (the inferior one coming directly from Richard Elson) but I doubt they'll be used.
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Post by Hades on Mar 14, 2004 17:37:51 GMT
I no people hate the archie series around here but I thought id let you know how they explained the human thing.
I dont collect it but I did make a point of checking out a couple of issues last week in the comic store.
Basically Sonic and Co find a hidden city on mobius that is full of humans and all the human levels in the game are said (in the archie universe) to take place in this city. This goes with the archieVerse theroy that Mobious is actually earth but thousands perhaps millions of years into the future and the "Animals" of mobius are just what Hedgehogs, bunny rabbits etc have evolved into. Humans have all but died out apart from in the hidden city.
I dont like it myself but it still beats the game storyline of it actually being on earth
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Post by Omega Wants Cake on Mar 14, 2004 18:14:25 GMT
The humans are reffered to as overlanders arn't they?
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Post by Samface on Mar 14, 2004 19:43:42 GMT
I think "Overlanders" are seperate from the humans, characters like Robotnik, Snively etc, and you can tell between the two because Overlanders only have four fingers (you know what I mean, three fingers and a thumb). Is that right? EDIT: If there's only one city of humans left, wouldn't they all be hideous, buck-toothed inbreds?
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Post by Tom on Mar 14, 2004 19:59:41 GMT
I no people hate the archie series around here but I thought id let you know how they explained the human thing. I dont collect it but I did make a point of checking out a couple of issues last week in the comic store. Basically Sonic and Co find a hidden city on mobius that is full of humans and all the human levels in the game are said (in the archie universe) to take place in this city. This goes with the archieVerse theroy that Mobious is actually earth but thousands perhaps millions of years into the future and the "Animals" of mobius are just what Hedgehogs, bunny rabbits etc have evolved into. Humans have all but died out apart from in the hidden city. I dont like it myself but it still beats the game storyline of it actually being on earth Yeah, but it proves my point: they had to change the entire premise to make it anything like the game at all.
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Post by Nemesis on Mar 14, 2004 20:11:04 GMT
Your saying that in the comic shadow can't be the ultimate lifeform anymore due to him now having a different back story but what about in the games.
According to sonic heroes theres now um... quite a few so one can't be ultimate.
And anyway, I'm sure at the end of Sonic Adventure 2 when shadows falling down to earth or whatever it was that he actually told sonic that it was him who was the ultimate lifeform, not shadow.
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