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Post by Dragonsteincole on Feb 13, 2004 12:33:09 GMT
Is it just me or does chaos the fish look slightly like grimer. ;D you have a point. Grimer's butt ugly as it is though, he don't need the competiton
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Post by JayTee on Feb 13, 2004 14:02:12 GMT
Hehe its a fugly convention..
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Post by Tom on Feb 13, 2004 17:36:45 GMT
When I was in charge of the comic, I put hold on any Grimer stories simply because I felt that the character's arc had reached its definitive conclusion. In fact Nigel Kitching himself stated that his giving up on Robotnik in the last story was basically his way of admitting it was over - I wanted the continuation to respect that sentiment, particularly considering who created the character (and especially considering the abundance of A-list villains in the comic at the moment).
Of course other people run the comic now so that could all change...
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Post by Ellie on Feb 13, 2004 17:38:02 GMT
you never know what they'll make of it, i'm thinking it'll be good
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 17:49:12 GMT
But Grimer helped Robotnik lots of times like he was the one who went to Shanazar to rescue him. Then again he did betray him in Game Over
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Post by Robert Frazer on Feb 13, 2004 18:10:43 GMT
The specific disposition concerning the potential revival of constituents of Sonic The Comic's veritably immense and diverse array of subsidiary entities, protagonists and adversaries that I deign to assume causes me to consider a reinduction of the notoriously servile and obsequious Grimer as being distinctly improbable, and severely unprofitable - I would encourage all of the scriptwriters who participate in the production of this comic to endeavour to refrain from considering him at all!
Grimer's character is that of the depressingly frequent clichéd minion - nigh-absolutely submissive, and capable of enduring a magnitude of abuse equitable with extreme masochism (although, remarkably defying this unfortunately endemic trend, he did bear a measure of competence in that the only specific blunder I may recall him as transgressing is rendering the blueprints for badniks' cloaking devices invisible in a Sonic's World episode) - and as such he possess negligible scope for expansion. Grimer was effectively solely an addendum affixed to Robotnik's being, to supply a form of dialogue to more satisfactorily communicate the schemes Robotnik concocted. Even when he rebelled against his master's dominion and allied with the Drakon Empire, it was solely through exasperation (He relates to a Prosecutor that he "wanted to be on the winning side for a change" ) rather than any more substantial psychological involvement. There are thus, effectively, no (credible) new avenues for Grimer's being to exploit. In addition to this, considering that he finally relinquished his fealty to Robotnik in a fit of pique, it is improbable that he shall now be leading a D.R.A.T. conclave and attempting to emulate their icon of devotion, which I suppose is the only reliable situation he may be envisaged in.
Also, I discover it to be more likely that Grimer is dead - as he was assuredly sane, I do not believe (whatever Zone's law enforcement agency or military chanced upon him) that it would require an apprecibale magnitude of time to thrust him irreverently before a show-tribunal and march him to a firing squad. As well as engaging in complicity in preserving Dr. Robotnik's regime, he also could exhibit a large resource of malice personally - I wonder how many Mobians were slain to eventually produce Metamorphia?
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 18:13:35 GMT
Well said Robert
Please shorten your posts down
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Post by Ellie on Feb 13, 2004 18:14:43 GMT
it hurts my brain
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 18:17:23 GMT
My brain went numb before his Metamorphia question
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Post by Ellie on Feb 13, 2004 18:18:30 GMT
i don't think I got that far
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 18:21:03 GMT
I'm now gonna avoid all posts by Robert
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 18:22:17 GMT
Robert as a child did you always fail those in 20 words or less competitions by about 30 words
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Post by Ellie on Feb 13, 2004 18:22:43 GMT
lol
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Post by Tom on Feb 13, 2004 18:26:42 GMT
Uh, Rob... you might want to consider using simpler language? You might feel the more complicated words makes you look intellectual and literate but when you're supposed to be communicating something it only makes you look foolish, because few will understand what you're trying to say. If you have something interesting to say, just say it clearly. That's all I ask. You don't need to make it seem more interesting by including a dozen words nobody's heard of.
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 18:28:04 GMT
good point Tom
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Post by Ellie on Feb 13, 2004 18:28:37 GMT
amen to Tom
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Post by Tom on Feb 13, 2004 18:28:54 GMT
Robert as a child did you always fail those in 20 words or less competitions by about 30 words There's no need to make fun of others, Knuckles.
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 18:30:54 GMT
ok sorry Rob I do apologise on behalf of my rudeness I did not mean to be so abrasive
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Post by Tom on Feb 13, 2004 18:32:46 GMT
That's better
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 18:38:02 GMT
thank you Tom for showing me the error of my ways lol
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Post by tucker on Feb 13, 2004 19:25:05 GMT
There's no need to make fun of others, Knuckles. There's every need. *narrows eyes*
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Post by Knuckles on Feb 13, 2004 19:57:40 GMT
The moderator won't appreciate this
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Post by Admin Droid on Feb 13, 2004 21:19:27 GMT
The moderator's struggling to stay awake tonight. Just don't do any murder or start any protection rackets, 'kay? Disagree with you about Grimer, though, Robert. What's interesting about him, when written right, is that he's a total devotee of Robotnik and his quitting Robotnik's services in #184 was a huge thing. I think of all the STC-created characters, Grimer may have the most intriguing character arc ahead of him.
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Post by Ellie on Feb 13, 2004 22:39:05 GMT
i think Grimer was ok, Eggman needed a lacky and he suited it well
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Post by Robert Frazer on Feb 13, 2004 23:58:19 GMT
Perhaps I ought to authoritatively and comprehensively state my perspectives upon my writing, to resolve the purposeless bickering about it that is deviating the thread from the original purpose that was bestowed upon it.
I do concede that the nature of my text may be aggravating to some, and I shall endeavour to moderate it to render it more comprehensible in future posts. However, I do wish to reassure other constiuents of the forum that I do not write like this in some convoluted egoisitical manner to convince people to praise me for my linguistic prowess (indeed, quite the opposite is the case, because people have complained about it to varying degrees in every forum, save one, that I have ever inaugerated myself as a member of!) - it is simply the manner in which I am most comfortable writing. Perhaps I suffer from the Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, yet it genuinely irks me to write a sentence that isn't attempting to tax me in some fashion, and I suppose that it is a habit that I'm unable to suppress. But I wish to emphasise that I do not write in the way I do to act in a condescending manner towards others, yet simply as personal preference - and I do understand that this forum exists for recreational purposes? As I said, however, I shall attempt to restrain my preponderences more in future posts, as I realise that it is churlish of me to intrude upon others' amusement.
Now that that is resolved, perhaps we should return to that original, intended topic of discussion.
Mr. Reynolds, concerning your judgement on Grimer - it is an interesting stance to adopt, yet I perceive it to possess only limited scope for expansion. Grimer's malevolence and perversity are in no way dimished by his abdication from Dr. Robotnik - he abandoned his adored master because his [censored]tered mind wished to destroy the world completely, rather than merely render it into serfdom. I would presume that that prospect of enslaving conventional Mobians remains quite alluring in Grimer's mind. If he was to launch his own endeavour to inflict his personal rule upon a small empire of Zones, it would probably be a blundering, incompetent affair as he realises that his psychology has been moulded to that of the servant, and he simply lacks the capacity to engage upon direct control. That final, belated endeavour to realise a desperate and tragically futile ambition may be interesting for one plot arc (and potentially horrendously destructive - perhaps he employs his knowledge of biology and several unwitting D.R.A.T. agents to devastate cities and verdant tracts of land with billowing clouds of poisonous gases and lethally-tailored virus infestations? It would be an extremely poignant comment that there is a fine distinction to be delineated between celebrated endurance and appalling obstinancy), yet could not proceed farther than this without becoming farcicial.
And as he still must rendure a penance for his past atrocities, I still do not doubt that the executioners' axes of assorted Mobians were grinding steadily in the background either since his recession from the comic pages, or either at the end of a plot which seeks to reintroduce him. All we may appreciate of Grimer could be simply an unmarked gravestone - unless, of course, they buried him underneath concrete as they did to another infamous brutaliser in our own world. It would be somewhat appropriate for such a wretched life as Grimer's.
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