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Post by Tom on Mar 18, 2004 13:54:26 GMT
Who's next, Commander Brutus, the Drakon prossecutor ... Only if you want to see Richard Elson throw a fit!
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 18, 2004 14:28:02 GMT
It's enough to make you want to spend money on it though, isn't it? And therefore Archie earns money off someone else's hard work, without their consent (legal or otherwise). Pretty atrocious behaviour IMO. Awww come on. It wasn't Archie's idea, it was WB's idea to draw them in because he's a big Tekno and STC fan! He isn't trying to make any money, just tip the hat to the STC fans. Give us something to say "oooooh, that's cool" about. Not get all caught up in the legalities of it. And yeesh, out of the total percentage Archie get from sales, how much of that would be from the UK peeps who just buy it to see Tekno and Ebony? Excluding those who don't already by the comic on a regular basis? I was gonna get this issue anyway cos WB's part of the SHQ forums and it'd be a nice way to support his professional debut, and then I learned Tekno and co make a cameo. Extra bonus! I don't think it's some money making scheme. And I think WB raised a good point about whether Kitching really had permission to use characters such as Pochacamac, Tikal, Chaos and Big? Or any other characters that have appeared in the Sonic games? When STC got the license to make the comic, did that include the use of any characters who appear in Sonic games released after the comic's launch? And those characters had much bigger parts to play than Tekno does in this one issue. It's just a one off nod to the fans. Take it as that and nothing else or don't take it at all.
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Post by harryhatman on Mar 18, 2004 14:47:45 GMT
You can't get a subscription, but lots of comic book stores have to import all their stuff from America anyways, and my loacl one gets them in.
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Post by Tom on Mar 18, 2004 18:29:00 GMT
And I think WB raised a good point about whether Kitching really had permission to use characters such as Pochacamac, Tikal, Chaos and Big? Or any other characters that have appeared in the Sonic games? When STC got the license to make the comic, did that include the use of any characters who appear in Sonic games released after the comic's launch? Yes, as I understand it Egmont had the rights to use all the characters in Sega's library; not only including Tikal, Big the Cat etc but also Golden Axe, Shinobi, Decap Attack etc. So yes he had the permission to use those characters, and it's worth noting that he only ever used the characters from the games - the only character design he took from another medium was Robotnik's, which Sega Europe used for their licensing purposes anyway. I don't honestly understand the comparison? Egmont had the rights to use the characters Sega provided, but there was no understanding given to the writers that Sega could take their own characters from them. The problem is not so much the fact that they're in it but the precedent it sets. I'd be furious (and so would Richard Elson) if great characters like Brutus and Captain Plunder got illegitimately stuck in Sega's grubby hands - it would mean we'd never be able to see them again under their creators' hands. Of course it's not especially likely we'll ever see that anyway, but I hate seeing people's rights abused like this when it need not happen at all. (And by the way, the "Princess Sally" comment is erroneous... she wasn't an Archie character to begin with, and she was never a princess in STC!) Ironically, STC online's portrayal of Ebony, with the knowledge and approval of Mssrs Kitching and Dobbyn (see the relevant letters pages), is more "official" than the "official" Sonic comic Archie produces.
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Post by Hades on Mar 18, 2004 18:41:30 GMT
I think its a shame that because some itdiots kicked off about this that they are unlikly to ever try to use STC characters again. I think it was cool that they did use them and (as I said in another thread before this whole incident) I had hoped that one day there could be a STC/archie crossover issue. but alas that disnt look likly now
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Post by Tom on Mar 18, 2004 18:58:17 GMT
Well, if stealing is your idea of fun, then I'm glad to be an idiot.
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Post by Dragonsteincole on Mar 18, 2004 21:18:15 GMT
no wonder WB decided not to do any cameos. Here, (and on the Sonic HQ Forum especially), it has sparked off a flamewar (Ed reynolds and Samunfur on Sonic HQ Forum was like Tyson Vs. Holyfield!)
why couldn't we just accept it as a gracious person, givin us one little nod to us StC fans? Actualy, who, on these boards, gives a flying f*** if SEGA or Kitching/Stringer, or Egmont hold the copyrights? are we gonna sue becuase some chars appeared in a different comic book?
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Post by Samface on Mar 18, 2004 21:23:56 GMT
I can't help but wonder if all the controversy is because Tekno actually had dialogue, and it wouldn't be so bad if they were just standing in the background. That's what Shortfuse is doing (or seems to be from HyperKnux's scan) and I haven't noticed anyone get annoyed about that.
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Post by JohnHedgehog3k on Mar 18, 2004 21:37:29 GMT
no wonder WB decided not to do any cameos. Here, (and on the Sonic HQ Forum especially), it has sparked off a flamewar (Ed reynolds and Samunfur on Sonic HQ Forum was like Tyson Vs. Holyfield!) why couldn't we just accept it as a gracious person, givin us one little nod to us StC fans? Actualy, who, on these boards, gives a flying *grumble* if SEGA or Kitching/Stringer, or Egmont hold the copyrights? are we gonna sue becuase some chars appeared in a different comic book? Actually I would be fumed if someone stole my character and put it in a cameo, people tend to use peoples cameo's and the peerson on the other side say "Woah,You can't use him,but then you got the cameo maker saying " Sorry we'll make him in the cameo since he's own to another company" The Othewr Person says "You intelectically stole my character for cameo appreance." while people at home look at the person chareacter who read a comic that ended in 122 issue ,they are amazed by it. It's theft of inttlectual property folks.
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Post by JohnHedgehog3k on Mar 18, 2004 21:46:13 GMT
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Post by Omega Wants Cake on Mar 18, 2004 21:46:57 GMT
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Post by ChaosX3 on Mar 18, 2004 22:33:34 GMT
*Imagines Sonic vs Super Sonic style with Ed and Samanfur* ;D
Anyway, I'd say that both Archie and Sonic the Comic are licensed by Sega, that both have to gain approval with making new key characters, and, being in he same division, are allowed to steal borrow characters from each other.
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 18, 2004 22:43:51 GMT
So would all related characters mean those appearing in the comics? makes sense. For gods sake, the man drew them into the background! (With the exception of Tekno who had ONE LINE of dialogue). Do you hear McDonalds fans going ape every time an artists puts an M in the background of a pic? Heck, I bet if you saw a DC comic with a sign in the background saying "Buy Sonic Heroes" you'd just say "Haha, cool". Why's everyone being so stupid about a little cameo. I call it ungrateful that someone decides to give STC a bit of notice (which many people don't do) and all everyone can do is complained cos they used a few STC characters in a cameo. Who cares about the whole legality of it? Nigel Kitching doesn't give a crap so why do you? These characters are more than likely never gonna appear in print again so why go on about it like they are? If the comic was still in print I could probably understand some peoples reaction but jeeez, the comic's been out of print for like 4 years or something. And it's not like Tekno or Ebony are gonna become regular characters in Archie for god sake and people are ranting on about "stealing" that characters. Personally, I think someone who gets ticked off when someone wants to cameo their character is just tight. I'd find it an honour if someone liked one of my characters enough to want to put them in a cameo cos I think cameos are cool. But nah, some people just wanna be all "He's my character and I won't let you borrow him unless you pay me" about it, never mind that the person's a fan of your work. Yeesh, some people.
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Post by Tom on Mar 18, 2004 22:47:01 GMT
Anyway, I'd say that both Archie and Sonic the Comic are licensed by Sega, that both have to gain approval with making new key characters, and, being in he same division, are allowed to steal borrow characters from each other. But you'd say that without any real information to back it up, wouldn't you?
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Post by Tom on Mar 18, 2004 23:03:42 GMT
So would all related characters mean those appearing in the comics? makes sense. Maybe, if it hadn't come from a page about motorcycles... Well, Nigel's not someone who cares about a lot of things - unfortunately for us, his lack of comics work would be one of those. Lew and Richard, on the other hand, DO care. And so do I. Gosh - maybe I'm a fan of the creators and care more about THEIR basic human rights than I do about seeing fictional characters "alive and well"? Regardless, you should at least be asked before they do it. Lew and the Nigels never got that option, and so those involved will pay the consequences. But even more worrying is that these "cameos" were apparently done under the pretense that the characters belong to Sega... which makes it somewhat more than borrowing...
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 18, 2004 23:21:58 GMT
"But you'd say that without any real information to back it up, wouldn't you? " I remember once Lew saying he wasn't even completely sure if he still owned the characters. He just assumed he did. So does he plan to sue archie? He may as well sue WB cos he's the one who drew them in bleh, it's not like no effort what so ever was made to find out if it was ok. At least some effort was made and is Lew even easy to get into contact with to get permission from? I'm sure WB said they tried. Anyway, I can't be bothered to argue about this anymore. Dunno why peeps are getting so uptight. And what's more, it's only like a few people who are getting uptight. The majority seem to receive the idea pretty nicely and then there's the select few who are busting blood veins about it. Chill!
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Post by HyperKnux99 on Mar 18, 2004 23:29:27 GMT
yea I think people should worry about it. it was done so people would be like hey cool and nothing more so lets leave it like that.
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Post by Hades on Mar 19, 2004 0:03:09 GMT
I think if anyone did sue over this it would come under the "sueing for any reason what-so-ever just to get money catagory.
You see it a lot in america, everyone is sueing everyone else for somthing silly and pointless.
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Post by HyperKnux99 on Mar 19, 2004 2:41:01 GMT
yea americans are great. when is the next plane trip to the uk?
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Post by madhair60 on Mar 19, 2004 10:05:53 GMT
"You intelectically stole my character for cameo appreance." There's something vaguely ironic about the way you spelt "Intellectual".
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Post by harryhatman on Mar 19, 2004 15:41:18 GMT
Firstly, I dont like archie that much, but I still buy it somtimes as its the one of the only sonic comics out there (apart fromSTC-O), but dudes, he wanted us to feel recognised, also, more things I spotted: (clockwise from TR) Pijamas, Bob Beaky, Tails Doll, Burning rangers Poster (anyone remember them?) Porker lewis cuddly toy, Nights magazine, Chu CHu, and Ban[censored] modles. Also, I just found an X-ray of one of the Nights on the first page!
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Post by madhair60 on Mar 19, 2004 15:59:04 GMT
Whoah. Nice finds.
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Post by robotman 7 on Mar 19, 2004 16:00:46 GMT
archie always uses cameos I see alot of transformers and STC ones each time I look
infact alot of comics ive read (and trust me ive read alot) use cameos of characters that dont belong to them at all and im sure the original creators havent even noticed or dont even care
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Post by Omega Wants Cake on Mar 19, 2004 16:12:42 GMT
Sweet, the Tails Doll Finally gets an appearence. ;D
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Post by Spydaman on Mar 19, 2004 16:18:47 GMT
Hehe nice cool to see Bob Beaky in there too. And it's true, cameos happen all the time but you don't have so many ungrateful ingrates going bonkers over it
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