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Post by ShayMay on Jun 21, 2013 22:45:24 GMT
Seriously, you have Rouge as a sinister character who is an agent for the evil Drakons empire and no redeeming features, so these aren't far off. She's been demonstrated to be clever and resourceful, and she's never pledged her undying loyalty to the Empire or anything like that. She's just a bad guy, and I don't really see how that's a gateway to Marine being a suicide bomber. I understand that you like Rouge as she is in the games, and that's great, and it's always cool to get more suggestions, but please understand that this is a children's comic. If you're wanting more adult content you'd probably be best served to look elsewhere. By all means, please continue to stick around! But just... don't expect the comic to really take you up on these ideas, really. Sorry. Expect more Rouge soon(ish), though!
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Post by Tom on Jun 22, 2013 8:28:00 GMT
I understand that you like Rouge as she is in the games, and that's great, and it's always cool to get more suggestions, but please understand that this is a children's comic. If you're wanting more adult content you'd probably be best served to look elsewhere. None of that is specifically "adult content". You could do pretty much all of that in a comic like this. Only reasons to avoid any of them is when they don't sound particularly interesting, or like ideas that fit the STC ethos. But STC was always a comic that pushed the boundaries of what a "children's comic" can do, and Nigel K would never patronise his readers. Hence you got stories where characters died, where someone had a nervous breakdown, suicidal villains, slavery, brain-mangling, the lead character murdering his own friends in a fit of rage, the destruction of worlds etc. All what you'd presumably call "adult themes". But they were good stories that helped explain difficult ideas to a young audience so why should they be left out of STC? Of course, none of it was gratuitous. It was done sparingly, as these sorts of things should. And it is harder to "push the boundaries" now because you have to set them yourselves. But I don't think we would have seen Streets of Rage or Decap in quite the same way under that attitude. All of those ideas are "suitable" for a comic like this, if not appropriate for STC specifically. The only one that gives me some pause is the suicide bomber… but then, after all, suicide bombers were invented in a comic that had the Comics Code on the cover. And for many children in the Middle-East it is a daily fact of life. So I suspect if STC were still going as it was then, it would probably have done that by now.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 22, 2013 11:07:24 GMT
And for many children in the Middle-East it is a daily fact of life. So I suspect if STC were still going as it was then, it would probably have done that by now. (Quick disclaimer before I start this: I have never been in anything resembling a terrorist situation, thank God. I have also never been to the Middle East, and will inevitably misrepresent something. So apologies for that.) I don't think it's daily, but otherwise, I see what you're saying. I doubt they're STC readers though, and if they were, I don't think they'd appreciate such a horrifying and traumatic experience being re-created with a fast-talking cartoon hedgehog at the helm. You're right for the most part: if done properly we could introduce all those concepts (we won't, but we could), but the suicide bomber one does make me distinctly uncomfortable. I don't think anyone on the team could do it justice: it would inevitably be likened to real-world events, and I think we would come across as ignorant at best and disrespectful at worst. We don't have the room nor the capacity to tell these kinds of stories without glossing over or misrepresenting something. While all the stuff you've mentioned was presented in such a way that it was more than suitable for kids, I would like to bring up the Genies of the Mystic Mountain. That concept never sat quite right with me, it always felt like a concept that would be better served in the likes of 2000AD. Then there's the bit where Morain becomes a terrorist - that never sat right with me either. I certainly think STC can and should push boundaries, but I think we can step over them as well. Of course, these two examples I've given are the only two examples I'd actually use, and they're not even horribly over the line or anything like that. They just kinda raised an eyebrow - both were still good, well-told stories. Interesting about Englehart though! I didn't know that.
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Post by modochi on Jun 22, 2013 11:45:29 GMT
How about having Mephiles the dark show up in STCO as a virus infected or corrupted copy of the internet version of Shadow, he could be searching for the Solaris program which will allow him to access to the real world?.
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Post by Fools in Miru on Jun 23, 2013 14:50:36 GMT
Dark Super Sonic.
Orbot and Cubot as highly competent and frightening assassins .
Antoine as a child slavery tycoon.
The Black Arms. Nuff said.
The Wisps as an evil hive mind race that tries to assimilate möbius.
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Post by modochi on Jun 27, 2013 23:05:18 GMT
Chilidogs?
How about Amy's car from the racing games?
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Post by Chigs! on Jun 28, 2013 5:41:46 GMT
Actually I think I'm right in saying that Amy's Sonic Drift car gets a cameo in "Big the Cat Hits the Road" but I assume you mean her newer one?
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Post by modochi on Jun 28, 2013 8:52:25 GMT
Yeah, I meant the newer one.
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Post by Fools in Miru on Jun 28, 2013 13:57:05 GMT
The Werehog, as a feral beast.
A storyline similar to Robotnik Reigns Supreme, with Grimer making clones of many of Sonic's foes. The Rouge one defects and becomes more similar to her game self.
Roboticization, as in turning flesh into metal.
E-101, somehow.
Realistic animals on möbius.
Sally to mutate into her Archie design.
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Jun 28, 2013 15:22:43 GMT
miru, genuinely, what do you get out of reading STC? There doesn't seem to be anything about it you wouldn't change.
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Post by Fools in Miru on Jun 28, 2013 16:15:51 GMT
miru, genuinely, what do you get out of reading STC? There doesn't seem to be anything about it you wouldn't change. The original STC is fine. This version, however, feels very much like a nightmare, rather than the surreal dream the original was. Characters such as Rouge, Shadow, Jet, Emerel, Bean, and others are portrayed as evil and even monstrous, a sharp contrast to their love able Sega counterparts. With Dr. Robotnik it was okay because at the time he had little characterization and Sega was trying to make him edgy in everything bar AOSTH. Things have taken a very dark turn; Sonic is an exile, Rouge is unredermed, Tails and Amy are failing their resistance, things look very grim for Blaze and Silver... This combined with the long wait time between issues, makes it feel very dark.
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Post by modochi on Jun 28, 2013 17:06:06 GMT
miru, genuinely, what do you get out of reading STC? There doesn't seem to be anything about it you wouldn't change. The original STC is fine. This version, however, feels very much like a nightmare, rather than the surreal dream the original was. Characters such as Rouge, Shadow, Jet, Emerel, Bean, and others are portrayed as evil and even monstrous, a sharp contrast to their love able Sega counterparts. With Dr. Robotnik it was okay because at the time he had little characterization and Sega was trying to make him edgy in everything bar AOSTH. Things have taken a very dark turn; Sonic is an exile, Rouge is unredermed, Tails and Amy are failing their resistance, things look very grim for Blaze and Silver... This combined with the long wait time between issues, makes it feel very dark. For some reason your post makes me think that STCO succeed where Archie failed. The Status Que of Sonic always winning is [censored]tered, the bad guys are actually evil and a threat, plus, Sonic actually has a challenge ahead of himself to overcome in oprder to triumph. As for Rouge, Bean and the rest of the c list being evil, blame it ona lack of appearence, I'm sure somewhere down the line they'll be upgraded from villians to anti heroes.
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Post by modochi on Jun 28, 2013 17:07:17 GMT
What, why is [censored]tered censored, did I misspell [censored]tered as scattered?
Okay, this is just stupid, how can S. h. a. t. t. e. r. e. d. be a partly negative word?
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 28, 2013 17:23:55 GMT
What, why is [censored]tered censored, did I misspell [censored]tered as scattered? Okay, this is just stupid, how can S. h. a. t. t. e. r. e. d. be a partly negative word? It's a forum glitch. We've tried to fix it, but that only makes matters worse. It's because of the first four letters meaning a past tense for a rude word.
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Post by ligero on Jun 28, 2013 17:28:04 GMT
The original STC is fine. This version, however, feels very much like a nightmare,......This combined with the long wait time between issues, makes it feel very dark. .....feels like a nightmare. Very dark. And your suggestions. The Deadly Six as members of a brutal drug cartel. Bunnie Rabbot as Sally's vengeful former friend who want's to cause eternal night, Gamma as a pure evil Eggman robot. Chip as a horrific Lovecraftian god of light who tries to destroy möbius, Marine as an insane suicide bomber.Underlined for emphasis on the "dark" and "nightmarish" parts. You REALLY don't seem to know what the hell you're talking about.
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Post by modochi on Jun 28, 2013 17:33:52 GMT
What, why is [censored]tered censored, did I misspell [censored]tered as scattered? Okay, this is just stupid, how can S. h. a. t. t. e. r. e. d. be a partly negative word? It's a forum glitch. We've tried to fix it, but that only makes matters worse. It's because of the first four letters meaning a past tense for a rude word. Ah, thanks for explaining it.
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Post by projectzuel on Jun 28, 2013 17:44:55 GMT
miru, genuinely, what do you get out of reading STC? There doesn't seem to be anything about it you wouldn't change. The original STC is fine. This version, however, feels very much like a nightmare, rather than the surreal dream the original was. Characters such as Rouge, Shadow, Jet, Emerel, Bean, and others are portrayed as evil and even monstrous, a sharp contrast to their love able Sega counterparts. With Dr. Robotnik it was okay because at the time he had little characterization and Sega was trying to make him edgy in everything bar AOSTH. Things have taken a very dark turn; Sonic is an exile, Rouge is unredermed, Tails and Amy are failing their resistance, things look very grim for Blaze and Silver... This combined with the long wait time between issues, makes it feel very dark. I just want to say a few things. I wouldn't call Jet loveable because he's so annoying I want to bash his brains in. Videogame Bean didn't really have a personality let alone enough game time to flesh it out. I acutally find you're calling out of STC-O Shadow as evil the most bizarre because he never really was, at least not stereotypically. He was fufilling the wishes of Robotnik who used to be his friend as Kintobor. This actually draws some similarities between the actions and character of the videogame Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2 who did bad things (including attempted planetary genecide) but ultimately gave his life to save the planet. Sound familar? I'm not really sure if STC-O is at all surreal but I guess nightmare would be an apt description of what many of the characters are facing, considering that there's a war going on with Robotnik and such and a breakdown of friednships. Still we do see light hearted strips such as "Big the Cat hits the Road", "The Tale of Cream the Rabbit" and one of my favs, "Vane Hopes" pop up quite often. Yes, we do have a long issue wait time because we all have jobs/school etc taking up our time.
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Post by Fools in Miru on Jun 28, 2013 18:04:29 GMT
I do indeed like the lighthearted strips. Also, I made everything nightmarish and horrible because Bunnie, Marine, etc will reform eventually.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jun 28, 2013 20:25:30 GMT
The Deadly Six as members of a brutal drug cartel. Really? Yes maybe a bitter villianess but where did the whole eternal night thing come from? Then its not actually Gamma. Did you play Sonic Adventure. Gamma made a face turn in his story. Why would they call it Omega then? I'm pretty sure that you are trolling me now and I am feeding you. With chocolit? Do you remember Dark Gaia? I mean it was a reject from Phantasy Star but you could argue that that was a bit Lovecraft. Not the Adventurised version of a CKY critter. I don't need to reply to this anymore but I do because someone will laugh. Right, Yes whenever/if ever Shade debuts she would be a baddy. What I remember about the Twilight Cage Echidnas was that they were more Tech based than magic based. Plus we already have Ebony. So think more Mass Effect and less Dragon Age here. Also just ignoring Chip part. I seriously think that a lot of your posts are just you venting that Rouge is still a badgirl. IGNORING That Rouge as at best a lighter shade of grey most of the time. Even in Sonic Free Riders. In Sonic X she was only a goodie when she was caught, STC-O most of the time does follow the Sonic canon in terms of Goody and Baddy, and I seriously doubt that Rouge will be a baddy forever in it. Calm Down.
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Post by Fools in Miru on Jun 28, 2013 20:36:45 GMT
Maybe the boost from Sonic Unleashed?
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Post by Adamis on Jun 28, 2013 21:33:21 GMT
Miru, let me say this once again, and I hope for the last time.
We will never, never use anything from Archie. Stop with your suggestions about using anything from it (Sally, Bunnie...).
And your other suggestions are horrible. Think about what you type instead of typing random ideas from your fanfics.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 28, 2013 21:43:04 GMT
While we will never use anything from Archie for definite, there's nothing wrong with you expressing your ideas. It's the proper thread for it, after all.
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Post by ligero on Jun 28, 2013 22:49:55 GMT
Hey Adamis. In the future, get rid of Rouge. That's stuff that should be introduced into STC. So I can stay on topic.
Find a way to kill her off. With no chance of coming back. Ever. No robots. No zombies. No. Other. Method. At. All.
Is there any way you can write that in?
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Post by Adamis on Jun 28, 2013 23:37:05 GMT
I'm not a writer
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Post by Fools in Miru on Jun 29, 2013 0:14:36 GMT
Hey Adamis. In the future, get rid of Rouge. That's stuff that should be introduced into STC. So I can stay on topic.
Find a way to kill her off. With no chance of coming back. Ever. No robots. No zombies. No. Other. Method. At. All.
Is there any way you can write that in?
Deletion ala Mephiles. Also, maybe add Knuckles's Shovel Claw move.
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