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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Nov 14, 2009 1:26:26 GMT
I thought Epitaph was supposed to be part of the season, but there was a mix up, because Fox counted the unaired Pilot as one of the 13 episode order, and would therefore not air it because of contractual reasons. Everywhere else it aired as part of the season, anyway, just not in the US. It just feels at the moment that in the present, they're just standalone stories which dont seem to be leading anywhere really (except for the little bits about Alexis Denisof's character - which are brief, few and far between, and still aren't all that interesting - they feel like a bit of a re-hash of Ballard's plot in S1), whereas Epitaph One set up a story which seemed genuinely intriguing, and left it with a 'to be continued' feeling. Thats my view of it anyway.
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Post by Samface on Nov 14, 2009 19:38:56 GMT
Well, there's the missing Dr. Saunders and Echo's increasing retention of her memories and personalities too.
I am hoping they revisit the Epitaph time period, mind. Although at the same time I wouldn't mind if they didn't since it ended on a "you can decide what happens next for yourself" way and I always like those sorts of endings.
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Post by Alex on Nov 14, 2009 20:00:40 GMT
I thought Epitaph was supposed to be part of the season, but there was a mix up, because Fox counted the unaired Pilot as one of the 13 episode order, and would therefore not air it because of contractual reasons. Epitaph One was made after production on the rest of the season had finished, and while there was an unaired pilot making up Fox's ordered 13 episodes, they didn't air it because it wasn't officially part of the season. Joss made it more as a pitch to get another season by A) showing some new direction in the series (and that it was going somewhere in general) and B) by making it extremely cheaply - proving that he could bring the budget down for another season as an incentive for them to go for it. He also wanted to give DVD buyers something extra special - knowing that their purchase would be vital to the series in the same way that Firefly's was in getting Serenity made. It aired over here on SciFi 'cos SciFi could. By the time Epitaph One had originally been made - Dollhouse's season in the states was quite well over. So, yeah, it is pretty much a "bonus" - and therefore pretty unfair to judge this current season against it for not continuing it further (right away, at any rate).
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Nov 14, 2009 22:28:56 GMT
I was under the impression that even though it didn't air on Fox, the episode was still considered official. Whedon himself said that "the stuff we see in "Epitaph One" is definitely real" and that it "was not a second pilot for the show, but it does make us see the story and the characters in a whole new way, which will resonate throughout the show for the next year", just after it aired at a comic con. Kinda implies that Epitaph One does have some relevance to where the show is going.
By the by, even if you take Epitaph One out of the equation, I've still been pretty bored by this season so far. How good the scenario of Epitaph One looked, and wanting to see more of it just makes that more frustrating.
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Post by Alex on Nov 15, 2009 1:11:41 GMT
I'm not saying it shouldn't be seen as official ('cos, obviously it is), I'm just saying that blaming season 2 for not following it on directly - when it was neither obligated to nor intended to - is a bit of an unfair disparagement.
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Post by rj on Dec 5, 2009 21:45:38 GMT
Oh my god, those last two Dollhouse episodes were a trip. If they can continue this for the rest of the season and everything gets a good ending, I'm going to complain a lot less that it was canceled. Mr. Senator turning out to be a Doll was completely unexpected, for one. For two, all of the writing and acting in general was infinitely better than it has been. Dushku was trademark mediocre, though, but she got much better as things went on. Also- once the realization sits in that the way to activate sleepers is through a phone call, Epitaph One is a bit more frightening. Or it was to me at least. Unrelated but on-topic; the final episode is apparently called "Epitaph Two." This makes me unreasonably excited.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Dec 6, 2009 0:36:46 GMT
I also hear that: Alan Tudyk is set to resume his role as Alpha very soon...i.e. next episode. Which is good. Edit: Just watched those two episodes. I agree with you X, I think they were a BIIIIG step up from what came before, in my opinion. Looking forward to next week's now.
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Post by Eleonora B.M on Dec 10, 2009 15:48:19 GMT
the sad thing is I'm NOT English ipso ergo I don't watch what you do or do some of the things you guys do. So most of the times I don't even know what you're talking about........makes me feel out of the team T_T...........
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Dec 13, 2009 0:08:32 GMT
Just watched 'Meet Jane Doe' and 'A Love Supreme'. MJD was pretty good, dealing with the fallout from the last episode. I saw the whole multi-personality thing coming from last season, but I'm pleased to see that it's making an appearance sooner rather than later now the show's been cancelled. ALS was even better, purely because it meant the return of Alan Tudyk as Alpha - picking off all of Echo's ex-lovers. Best line:
Alpha - "Oh, there are many parts of me that know that this is wrong - none that care. And six, heheh, that just find it funny."
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Dec 20, 2009 17:21:15 GMT
Double post Stop-Loss was ok, but the Attic was incredible, setting up the final few episodes very nicely. Looking forward to next week's.
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Post by rj on Dec 22, 2009 19:47:22 GMT
You mean January's.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Dec 23, 2009 2:32:09 GMT
Yep, sorry, I hadn't registered there was going to be a break.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jan 9, 2010 9:56:10 GMT
My brain is still trying to put together everything that happened in the latest episode. Just wow. I think my brain exploded at the final revelation.
Spoiler tags to hide that there IS a final twist in plot.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Jan 9, 2010 20:54:13 GMT
Yes, I know entirely what you mean - did not see that coming at all. Having read what you said before I watched the episode, I assumed you meant 'the Sleeper' bit which I saw happening as soon as she appeared. Reminded me of the ending of 'Two for the Road' in Lost slightly, that bit. Great episode though.
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Post by rj on Jan 10, 2010 5:45:23 GMT
holy [censored]ing what the [censored] how did what is this I don't even of my holy [censored]
that was me
that is me right now
i just saw the latest episode
oh my gawwwwd
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Post by Samface on Jan 10, 2010 16:17:02 GMT
Just a heads-up that the Sci-Fi channel is picking up the series again on Tuesday at 9, despite the fact I'm pretty sure I'm the only person on here who waits around for it to be on UK telly before I watch it.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jan 10, 2010 16:21:16 GMT
>_>
*cough*
Um... yeah...
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Jan 10, 2010 16:29:39 GMT
Oh Samface, you're so old-school.
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Post by Samface on Jan 10, 2010 18:00:47 GMT
If by old-school you mean AWESOME
I'll get me coat...
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Post by WinterFlames on Jan 10, 2010 18:17:01 GMT
This is the future oldtimer, there are no coats!
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Jan 17, 2010 3:45:59 GMT
Great episode. I especially liked the ending: "So... did we save the world?" "I guess we did" *Cut straight to the apocalypse-esqe future*
A nice touch, I felt. I also liked how they dealt with Boyd - there was something poetic about how he was the one to take down his own organisation, having been subjected to the technology he was about to unleash upon the world. To be honest, cancellation might have been this show's saving grace, there was only so long that they could have kept up with the week to week assignments without it getting a bit stale. As it is though, since it came back after the hiatus, this show has been amazing without fail, and will go out on a high with Epitaph 2 I'm sure.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jan 17, 2010 12:28:55 GMT
To be honest, cancellation might have been this show's saving grace, there was only so long that they could have kept up with the week to week assignments without it getting a bit stale. As it is though, since it came back after the hiatus, this show has been amazing without fail, and will go out on a high with Epitaph 2 I'm sure. Agreed, every episode since Wheadon was given free control has seen an incredible ammount of improvement. Whilst I am a little pissed that Fox cancelled another show I like, I think that a final season without Fox pulling the strings is better than five with Fox in charge.
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Post by Arch_one_zero_one on Jan 17, 2010 13:40:41 GMT
I think that giving the producer/s of a tv show complete control over the shows they make would usually be a healthy thing. I mean, look at Lost - the first season was really good, 2 & 3 suffered because abc wanted upwards of 20 episodes, and then when Lindelof and Cuse started calling the shots, cutting the episode count to 16 (or 17 because of the writers strike) the quality of the episodes shot up and there was far less filler.
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Post by WinterFlames on Jan 30, 2010 11:48:03 GMT
So. Epitaph Two Such a sad ending, but nice. Very bittersweet. Although the total un-appearance of Whiskey confused me, since she was 'guarding' the dollhouse. But TBH I wouldn't have minded an entire season set between the two Epitaphs instead of just two episodes. But I can live without it.
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Post by rj on Jan 30, 2010 19:12:37 GMT
Epitaph Two was fantastic. The way they dealt with Ballard's death was perfectly understated. Impossibly excited for Whedon's next show, at this point. Let's have something of that quality from the start, now. =P
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