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Post by JJ on Jan 24, 2005 12:03:23 GMT
I'm with the majority on this one. At first it surprised me, Ed/Tom/Mike's decision to keep the two continuities apart, but now it just makes good sense. Everything is alot easier to keep track of, and there's something about a story with Porker and Tekno in that just seems....unsettling. One of the first story ideas I ever pitched to STCO had Ebony in the same story as Shorty. I never really thought about it that much at the time, but now I understand that it's just wrong.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Jan 25, 2005 0:39:38 GMT
Dave Bulmer's original script for the first online issue (which formed the basis for Ed's script in that issue) had a brief sequence with Tekno talking about Porker. It always struck me as out of place, and I think it helped define the way we did things on STC online.
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Post by Raxadian on Jan 25, 2005 1:08:45 GMT
One coin, two sides, end of story. What happen when the two sides collide? When someone from one side goes to the other one?. What the hell I’m am saying?. Tekno and Porker where never together cause they are both genius…maybe in one story two brains will be needed to do something, but it would be weird. It would screw the balance so much….
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Post by Gizmo on Jan 25, 2005 1:33:11 GMT
I think porker and Tekno would cue geek fights..
e.g.
Porker: What are you doing!
Tekno: Im connecting the armour plated modulator directly to shortfuses reactor drive!
Porker: Are you mad girl! one spark would cause Mobius to explode!
Tekno: Fool! that would only happen if we used your stupid idea to rig a flux capacitor to Shortfuses brain!
Porker: stupid Woman! everyone knows the positive Iron drives cancel out Neutranium thrusts!
Tekno: HA! you cant stop me!
Porker: Wait you cant do that! Go back to doing things with Amy! You're no scientist!
Tekno: Ha just watch me! And I intend to! And Im more of a scientist then you will ever be porky worky
(they then make passion on the floor.)
its a bad idea.
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Post by Spydaman on Jan 25, 2005 1:39:15 GMT
I'm not just talking about Porker and Tekno. I already said ages ago I wouldn't put them together unless there was a real good reason. Ebony and Shorty just seems like a strange match however you put it lol. Certain characters just click and play off each other, those two don't really. It may make things simpler but I don't think it's as complex as everyone makes it out to be . I dunno, I guess why it bugs me so much is everyone insists on placing everything into these two distinct "universes" when it's just two different writers with different styles. Just like how people always insist on grouping stories into saga's XD. It's not two sides, it ain't a coin. It's one concept, two different approaches. I think the other thing that bugs me is that if there was no seperation in the first place, people wouldn't consider the notion wrong. For example, Nigel invented Death Trap. They were his characters so if we go by what is considered "STC Law" They shouldn't appear in a Lew strip. Nigel goes, they end up in a Lew strip but no one says "They shouldn't be there" y'know? Don't seem like the writers thought of it as some "writerverse" thing. Was just not stepping on each others toes. So in theory, if Lew went whos to say Nigel wouldn't have used some Lew characters? (except Fabian Vane, if he'd done that I'd throttle him XD) And cos it would've been in the print comic, no one would say it wasn't in the spirit of the comic.
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Post by Spydaman on Jan 25, 2005 1:40:45 GMT
(they then make passion on the floor.) its a bad idea. That last bit certainly is, the rest made me laugh XD
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Post by Raxadian on Jan 25, 2005 1:46:46 GMT
I think porker and Tekno would cue geek fights.. e.g. Porker: What are you doing! Tekno: Im connecting the armour plated modulator directly to shortfuses reactor drive! Porker: Are you mad girl! one spark would cause Mobius to explode! Tekno: Fool! that would only happen if we used your stupid idea to rig a flux capacitor to Shortfuses brain! Porker: stupid Woman! everyone knows the positive Iron drives cancel out Neutranium throughsts! Tekno: HA! you cant stop me! Porker: Wait you cant do that! Go back to doing things with Amy! You're no scientist! Tekno: Ha just watch me! And I intend to! And Im more of a scientist then you will ever be porky worky (they then make passion on the floor.) its a bad idea. Not so bad, but as I said two brains in the team spoil the sup, only villains are allowed to have more than one genius. Grimer and Robonik, Robotnik and Nack, Zachary and Robotnik. Maybe Robotnik hates to work alone…or maybe he just hates to be alone. Robotnik: I’m alone on Christmas day-_-
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Post by Ed on Jan 25, 2005 2:22:24 GMT
For example, Nigel invented Death Trap. They were his characters so if we go by what is considered "STC Law" They shouldn't appear in a Lew strip. Nigel goes, they end up in a Lew strip but no one says "They shouldn't be there" y'know? Did you read "Medusa"? It was a horrific waste of three of the best villains STC ever created, saved only by some absolutely breathtaking artwork by Mick McMahon (in retrospect, probably the best piece of art the comic saw all year). In any event, I'd hardly call it a raging triumph for cross-universe unity. Obviously there are some scenarios where you have to acknowledge what else is going on. Lew couldn't ignore Death-Trap because they were left on a cliffhanger that demanded imminent resolution. He did kill them off as soon as possible though. Nigel said that he wouldn't. In fact, he specifically said he was going to ignore all Lew's stuff -- the new zones and what have you. If you dig around in the list archives circa 2000-2001 I'm sure you'll find the discussions. Anyway, it wasn't in the spirit of "not stepping on Lew's toes" -- he had sole control of the comic at that stage. It just wasn't the universe he was writing about. But it wasn't in the print comic. And why wasn't it in the print comic? 'Cause it wasn't in the spirit of the comic.
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Post by Spydaman on Jan 25, 2005 9:33:23 GMT
Would've made a funny plot hole if he hadn't killed them off.
"What the heck happened to Death Trap anyway??"
But hey, would be easy to bring them back. They've just been reeeeeeeally taking their time stalking Sonic lol.
It's funny though, I dunno how other people feel about it, but some of Lew's stuff I've never really considered "Canon" as it were concerning STC. Obvious things I acknowledge are Brutus cos hey, he was a cool a villain and it was a good story, the early Shorty stuff and up till he left the freedom fighters and of course his segment of issue 100. But generally I just act like none of his stories happened, especially "Amy's Secret Past" cos I just felt it was such a betrayal and departure of continuity that it may as well have not happened. Hey, we could always rewrite the book and make a better origin ;D eh? eh? eh? lol.
But yea, the only real good character I'd keep from Lew's work is Shorty.
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Post by Charles on Jan 25, 2005 15:25:51 GMT
"What the heck happened to Death Trap anyway??" But hey, would be easy to bring them back. They've just been reeeeeeeally taking their time stalking Sonic lol. Well, they're Nigel-spawned characters on Shanazar while Sonic is on Mobius. Since the only links between Shanazar & Mobius were created by Lew, they not allowed to go after him and have had to go back to their dayjob of enforcing TV License laws.
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Post by Ed on Jan 25, 2005 18:45:38 GMT
It's funny though, I dunno how other people feel about it, but some of Lew's stuff I've never really considered "Canon" as it were concerning STC. That's because it's Stringercanon. I always accepted everything as part of the continuity of his work. I just didn't necessarily accept his stuff as a vital part of the continuity of the comic.
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Post by Charles on Jan 25, 2005 21:51:40 GMT
I just didn't necessarily accept his stuff as a vital part of the continuity of the comic. You make Brutus cry.
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Post by Ed on Jan 25, 2005 22:31:46 GMT
It's not anything against the writing. It's just that while Nigel was controlling a majority of the comic, you know that Brutus's actions won't significantly shift the status quo.
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Post by Raxadian on Jan 25, 2005 23:47:25 GMT
It's not anything against the writing. It's just that while Nigel was controlling a majority of the comic, you know that Brutus's actions won't significantly shift the status quo. Brutus was an Important part of the story, it made Robotnik get stronger. Robotnik knew two things could happen A) they work together to kill Sonic and the freedom fighters or B) Brutus revels and wants to kill Robotnik. B) happened and Robotnik became stronger because of that.
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Post by Spydaman on Jan 26, 2005 0:48:36 GMT
Well not really.
He was in power before he created Brutus. Brutus challenged that power and failed. Robotnik didn't literally get stronger. Maybe in the eyes of the public, I mean after time, esspecially with someone like Sonic around, people begin to have doubts. He was just reenforceing his power. Sure Brutus had him on the ropes for awhile but Robotnik kept his cool and proved to be the smarter head.
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Post by Raxadian on Jan 26, 2005 0:55:15 GMT
Well not really. He was in power before he created Brutus. Brutus challenged that power and failed. Robotnik didn't literally get stronger. Maybe in the eyes of the public, I mean after time, esspecially with someone like Sonic around, people begin to have doubts. He was just reenforceing his power. Sure Brutus had him on the ropes for awhile but Robotnik kept his cool and proved to be the smarter head. He was in power but he couldn’t kill Sonic and the freedom fighters no matter how hard he tried. I never said he wanted Brutus to conquer Mobius, he created him to kill Sonic and the freedom fighters or to became stronger to the public eye if Brutus reveled. Robotnik said he knew Brutus could turn against him.
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Post by Charles on Jan 26, 2005 15:00:00 GMT
Y'know, if it wasn't for Sonic & Shortfuse appearing when they did, Brutus would've shot Robotnik dead in the second part of Revolution. Brutus in charge of Mobius- now that would be a nasty situation...
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Post by Ben2k9 on Jan 26, 2005 23:10:43 GMT
Brutus and Shorty where by far the best characters created by Lew.
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Post by Tom on Jan 26, 2005 23:20:00 GMT
Brutus was an Important part of the story, it made Robotnik get stronger. Strange how you say that when the first panel of the storyline depicted Robotnik throwing tomatoes at a picture of Sonic.
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Post by Raxadian on Jan 27, 2005 1:05:50 GMT
Strange how you say that when the first panel of the storyline depicted Robotnik throwing tomatoes at a picture of Sonic. Come on, we all know the Doc loves Sonic…and Brutus made the Doc get stronger after the Doc trashed him. Got it Doc?
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