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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on May 9, 2010 21:29:33 GMT
Um... I don't understand what you mean, tbh. Just looks like a discussion to me - there's no namecalling, flaming or what not. Just general disagreement and some examples...
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Post by madhair60 on May 9, 2010 21:41:19 GMT
It looks like a discussion in the same way dog crap looks like chocolate.
Seriously, I don't care whether or not you see it, with all respect. I just came to point it out, any further discussion can be taken to PM or another thread. I'm not in interested in arguing the toss with these people.
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Post by Retro on May 9, 2010 21:48:08 GMT
Stu, if you believe a discussion is beginning to run out of hand, go tell a moderator and they will investigate. Don't simply post out of hand and try and declare it yourself. If anything, both your posts here are worse than anything we've seen above.
PM next time, please.
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Post by Aria on May 10, 2010 0:01:03 GMT
I don't really try calling that the 'correct' style, actually, and I think several took my point too far. I wasn't implying that there is something wrong with the overall art style of STC. I don't mind variation depending on the mood, there are some times when I think "Wow, this doesn't look characteristic" or when I, myself, have a problem with the style. I bothers me sometimes but there's a reason I'm not nitpicking at those, and why I'm only pointing out the problems with this style. I thought it would be a pretty obvious point to say 'That's not Sonic style.' and I get where some will say that it varies, it does, but even those variations carry the trademarks of the style. To name specifics, Sonic has oval eyes, rounded chin, shoes without the curve leading up to the leg, round body (and in the new style slightly thinned on the lower end to blend into his legs more), quills that face down (not up unless he's super), usually five fingers, with the exception of early Archie and DiC Sonic and a large round head. This is present in most of the examples of the quoted post (which I shortened due to space) although there are slight differences. The differences apparent in the style I have grievance with is so far from all of those styles on so many levels, it cannot be classified as Sonic style. The closest resemblance it has is, because it has four fingers and a lighter blue, DiC Sonic, and even then, that's a really big stretch. Also, I'm not trying to direct any hostility at anyone, and if it looks like that, it's not meant to. I just become irritated when someone tells me a valid point holds no water.
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Post by madhair60 on May 10, 2010 19:21:28 GMT
It doesn't look like that. Don't worry about it.
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Post by Balls on May 12, 2010 19:51:11 GMT
I don't agree with Aria entirely, but if you can't genuinely see her point at all you're either really, really ignorant, blind or just being a bit of a jerk.
And that page she posted is pretty... well, awful. In my opinion. Which is hard for me to say as art is one of STC-O's strong points.
And while all the other artists had different styles in the original STC, they did all conform to a similar model depending on the time-period of the comic. They obviously did. They really, really obviously did.
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Post by Emilybee on May 13, 2010 10:21:40 GMT
I remember someone here saying they had a guide sheet given to them but only one of the artists could actaully draw the comic to style per the guide... I guess why there was a fair amount of variation at times.
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Post by Kurai on May 22, 2010 13:49:08 GMT
Since Sonic came out there have been a ton of videogame characters that are based closely on the Sonic style. Also, being in South Africa, I couldn't help but notice the mascot for the 2010 world cup: Zakumi the Leopard. Though not identical you can clearly see the inspiration. Even his tag line "Zakumi: The mascot with attitude!" screams Sonic! Klonoa reminds me of an edited recolour of Tails.
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Post by Sin on May 23, 2010 23:48:18 GMT
I really cannot see a link between Sonic and that leopardman other then really tenuous ones or ones that Sonic didn't create.
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Post by Kurai on May 24, 2010 13:24:53 GMT
I really cannot see a link between Sonic and that leopardman other then really tenuous ones or ones that Sonic didn't create. Though you are quite right I thought I'd bring it up. It follows the basic layout of the Sonic-Design as proposed by Nambot: And I can't help but notice the similarities in the style. (though honestly it was the tagline that grabbed it for me). What I was wondering was what seperates a Sonic fan character from say a Klonoa fan character?
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Post by ShayMay on May 24, 2010 13:35:20 GMT
Sonic fancharacters actually exist.
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Post by Emilybee on May 24, 2010 15:00:49 GMT
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Post by Aria on May 27, 2010 11:07:37 GMT
[quote author=kurai board=sonic thread=10708 post=435880 Klonoa reminds me of an edited recolour of Tails. [/quote] Oh, good. I'm not the only one that noticed. The difference in a Sonic fan character and a Klonoa fan character is their canon they come from. Usually fan characters have a story attached to them (Well, mine do, but I'm a nerd... ) and the creator will tell you which canon they're from.
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Post by The KKM on Jun 3, 2010 10:03:07 GMT
Most often Klonoa fan characters will look like the cross breed between Sonic fancharacters and NiGHTS fancharacters.
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Post by Pitt on Jun 6, 2010 17:25:57 GMT
The difference in a Sonic fan character and a Klonoa fan character is their canon they come from. Usually fan characters have a story attached to them (Well, mine do, but I'm a nerd... ) and the creator will tell you which canon they're from. Unless they're not a very good fan character, in which case they'll probably be from half a dozen different canons. Specifically, they'll be a shinigami hokage pirate keyblade master, an honourary Jedi Council member and part time supply teacher at Hogwarts who works as House's intern during the summer as a cover for their activities as a member of Organization XIII. ;D
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 6, 2010 17:28:26 GMT
And a Gary/Mary Sue to boot.
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Post by Pitt on Jun 7, 2010 18:40:39 GMT
Whose name is the author's name spelled backwards or something like that.
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Post by Beeth on Jun 7, 2010 18:56:35 GMT
Who is Mary Sue, anyway? I've looked right through the Archie cast and haven't found any trace of her so far.
Unless she's a fancharacter, of course. In which case who created her and why is she notorious? I've seen the character used as a term in this thread a number of times now and don't quite fully understand what it means.
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Post by Pete on Jun 7, 2010 19:12:26 GMT
A Mary-Sue is basically any character (usually female) that's used to advance the plot in a comic, without actually being anything interesting in themselves. They're usually nothing more than the "damsel in distress", or seen as all amazing to the author, but the reader has nothing to associate with.
Examples include Gwen Stacey and Rose Tyler.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jun 7, 2010 19:20:23 GMT
I thought Mary Sues were a "perfect" character that everyone in the universe loves and possibly based on the author.
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Post by Feniiku on Jun 7, 2010 19:26:27 GMT
John's closest to it. Basically it's the type of character that's extremely over the top powerful, usually upstages main characters and/or has an OMG INSTANT LOVE relationship with them, and they tend to have similar backstories to the main cast and/or be representations of the author. Note not all Mary-Sues/Gary-stu (generally used male version term) are like this, just most.
And a Mary-Sue doesn't necessarily have to be a bad character, if you know what you're doing they can be very useful, but unfortunately most of them are completely out of hand. These sorts of characters are generally what give fancharacters a bad name.
And Rose Tyler is totally a Mary-Sue.
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Post by Emilybee on Jun 8, 2010 14:54:24 GMT
I thought Mary Sues were a "perfect" character that everyone in the universe loves and possibly based on the author. Its changed slowly over time...I sum it up as this Who is the most popular/loved female character in the show with the main cast? Thats usually the Mary-Sue and EVERY show has one. Sabrina the Teenage Witch, during her early days wasn't a Mary-Sue to begin with because she felt like a typical person thrown into her situation. It became more of a drama with a splash of magic thrown in a few times every so often. Basically, the magic became less of a common plot device and the characters became the plot device instead.
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Post by ShayMay on Jun 8, 2010 15:15:16 GMT
No, a Gary Stu or a Mary Sue is a character who has no flaws and is completely perfect in every way (see Amy Rose during the time that STC was edited by that feminist woman). The name comes from someone who took the piss out of Star Trek fic writers, by introducing a character who became an Admiral while she was 14, or something like that. It's a criticism, as these characters do not make for a good plot at all.
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Post by Charles on Jun 8, 2010 16:30:10 GMT
The name comes from someone who took the piss out of Star Trek fic writers, by introducing a character who became an Admiral while she was 14, or something like that. Yeah, that's the one.
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Post by Nam on Jun 8, 2010 17:02:27 GMT
No, a Gary Stu or a Mary Sue is a character who has no flaws and is completely perfect in every way (see Amy Rose during the time that STC was edited by that feminist woman). The name comes from someone who took the piss out of Star Trek fic writers, by introducing a character who became an Admiral while she was 14, or something like that. It's a criticism, as these characters do not make for a good plot at all. The secon aspect of Mary Sue, as far as an works are concerned, is a character who steals the spotlight from someone in the existing cast, such as Sonic's long lost brother who's twice as fast and is in a commited relationship with Amy. Basically any character who is inserted into a story, and essentially makes the rest of the cast look redundant, while also proving to be perfect.
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