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Post by Lost Mercenary on Jul 23, 2012 18:44:47 GMT
It's back baby ;D
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Post by madhair60 on Jul 23, 2012 19:43:39 GMT
Oh good.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jul 23, 2012 20:12:58 GMT
Can Kryten start making scrapheap challenge again?
Seriously, I think I want to like Red Dwarf more than I actually do.
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Post by Alex on Jul 23, 2012 21:11:07 GMT
It looks far, far better than Back To Earth did (for one thing, they've got actual sets).
I'll look forward to it hopefully being at least as good as when they originally left off, and if it's better than that - then yay.
Honestly, it's one of the few bits of new, British programming that's got any actual value or worth to it these days, anyway. I'd take a dozen Back To Earths over basically all the other dross that makes up the core channels. More good Sci-Fi/Comedy is far, far, far more welcome than any more awful 'talent' or celebrity shows.
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Post by madhair60 on Jul 23, 2012 21:18:43 GMT
You could always watch something good online or on DVD/BD.
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Post by ShayMay on Jul 23, 2012 21:27:17 GMT
I just wish they'd let it die. It's done. The dream is over.
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Post by Alex on Jul 23, 2012 22:11:44 GMT
You could always watch something good online or on DVD/BD. That's exactly what I tend to do. But I'm also paying a TV license and virgin subscription that could do with a lot more value being added by anyone bothering to put any effort into new program making these days. If nothing else, new Red Dwarf is a nice reminder of a time in TV land before it all went to vajazzle hell...
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Post by The Shad on Jul 23, 2012 22:20:43 GMT
You could always watch something good online or on DVD/BD. That's exactly what I tend to do. But I'm also paying a TV license and virgin subscription that could do with a lot more value being added by anyone bothering to put any effort into new program making these days. If nothing else, new Red Dwarf is a nice reminder of a time in TV land before it all went to vajazzle hell... Reality tv is a hell of a lot cheaper than pretty much anything else. Even if you've got a stinker, you've only lost a couple grand as opposed to a full scale, untested sci-fi show that has full sets, costumes, and a constantly changing cast. In the middle of a recession, there are slots to be filled and limited money to go around.
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Jul 23, 2012 22:33:19 GMT
In the middle of a recession, there are slots to be filled and limited money to go around. [censored] it, put BabeStation on all day on every channel, problem solved.
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Post by Alex on Jul 24, 2012 8:16:01 GMT
That's exactly what I tend to do. But I'm also paying a TV license and virgin subscription that could do with a lot more value being added by anyone bothering to put any effort into new program making these days. If nothing else, new Red Dwarf is a nice reminder of a time in TV land before it all went to vajazzle hell... Reality tv is a hell of a lot cheaper than pretty much anything else. Even if you've got a stinker, you've only lost a couple grand as opposed to a full scale, untested sci-fi show that has full sets, costumes, and a constantly changing cast. In the middle of a recession, there are slots to be filled and limited money to go around. The license fee is fixed and, despite what the BBC may say, the money that goes towards them from the Government has never decreased past the point where the BBC is 'hard up' in comparison to any of the commercial channels. Despite this, the latest round of 'original' programming to come from the BBC are four 'fly on the wall' reality shows - none of them worthy of being on BBC1 itself and not a sign of any scripted programme that would actually put that money we pay them to good use. Instead, the BBC focusses on a few existing properties (Eastenders, Doctor Who, Top Gear, The One Show, The Voice/Strictly Come Dancing), two of which make them far more money abroad than here (thus, arguably, we should be seeing that BBC Worldwide money put towards Top Gear and Doctor Who more than our license fee for a fairer ratio) and the latter of which the BBC has sold the rights to around the world making them even more money than their local versions do. Ultimately, there's really no excuse for the BBC to be doing this other than to be redirecting our money somewhere other than the programming itself. Maybe it's too much money going to too many big names; maybe it's too much money going into the pockets of its executive board. Either way the result is that the BBC literally produces two programmes I feel are worth my time and license fee, which is a bit of a joke. There's also the argument that if the more successful commercial channels can't afford to put together anything other than yet another talent show or silly 'reality' show about celebrities in wacky situations, then how is Dave - a channel that peaked at just 1million viewers for Back To Earth and part of a company that, while large and varied, basically just about makes its money back from screening repeats of old BBC programs - able to afford it? Well, the answer there should be obvious - Red Dwarf was always made on a shoestring budget and can easily survive on it again. So what, exactly, is preventing the other channels from putting out solid, scripted content when Red Dwarf is proving that - just as used to be the norm 20 years ago - you can make a programme of real substance on a budget. Whether or not Doug Naylor is capable of writing as funny a show as he used to with Rob Grant is rather irrelevant in this case (though it'd be a triumph to not only have RD back, but to have it back properly), the fact is that Dave is showing up all four of the main terrestrial channels - three of which are made up to one degree or another by money that we legally have to pay. (And no, it's not a valid argument to just not watch live TV and thus not have a TV license. Live in the real world outside of your parents' house or your student dorm and you'll be aware that it's not that easy. Especially when your only option for a good deal on your Internet access is to pay for an entire bundle - including TV). Tl;Dr: Red Dwarf coming back is a good thing in terms of valuable scripted television (especially comedy). Whether or not it'll be good again, well, there's always hope. Personally, I do think it looks quite good in terms of that trailer - but it'll be a couple of months before anyone can really say anything one way or another. I have heard from a couple of people in the audience for the shooting saying that it was a pretty good return to form, though. At the very least, the nonsense of Back To Earth is seemingly looked past for a feel much closer to the first few series.
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jul 24, 2012 9:01:34 GMT
In the middle of a recession, there are slots to be filled and limited money to go around. [censored] it, put BabeStation on all day on every channel, problem solved. Seconded.
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Post by Arch on Jul 24, 2012 15:10:13 GMT
(And no, it's not a valid argument to just not watch live TV and thus not have a TV license. Live in the real world outside of your parents' house or your student dorm and you'll be aware that it's not that easy. Especially when your only option for a good deal on your Internet access is to pay for an entire bundle - including TV). And your post was going so well. Up until last month with Euro 2012 and the Olympics coming up, I survived pretty well without a TV license. There just isn't that much to watch during the week and anything that is can easily be caught up with iPlayer and the like. Funnily enough, I don't live at home and I'm not a student, either.
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Post by Matt on Jul 24, 2012 15:19:15 GMT
(And no, it's not a valid argument to just not watch live TV and thus not have a TV license. Live in the real world outside of your parents' house or your student dorm and you'll be aware that it's not that easy. Especially when your only option for a good deal on your Internet access is to pay for an entire bundle - including TV). And your post was going so well. Up until last month with Euro 2012 and the Olympics coming up, I survived pretty well without a TV license. There just isn't that much to watch during the week and anything that is can easily be caught up with iPlayer and the like. Funnily enough, I don't live at home and I'm not a student, either. Sorry to be pedantic, but it is technically illegal to watch show on the I player on any app's webpages or variation on the theme, including on Youtube without a TV licence if the show are going out anywhere near there orginal broadcast date.... the laws more fuzzy on show's that are old, but seeing as that doesn't make up the bulk of the iplayer service.... I mean yeah you can get away with it, but if were going 100% legally... you shouldn't be not that I really care so no idea why I bothered to post,
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Post by Sam on Jul 24, 2012 15:29:19 GMT
Arch, Alex's post also referenced that he was able to find cheaper deals by taking a package that included TV within internet and phone (suggesting that by not having TV it would cost him more). At which point a TV license is needed.
Show looks like it might be all right.
As far as I know, you also need a TV license to use the news website and the radio stuff.
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Post by madhair60 on Jul 24, 2012 17:32:47 GMT
For the record, I recommend never, ever buying a TV license. Detector vans don't exist and nobody can enter your home without permission, or without a warrant, which they can't get without evidence that you are using a TV illegally. So basically, keep your telly away from your window, don't let strangers into your home, and stick your finger up at people who send threatening letters to widows. That or just download all of your media.
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Post by Matt on Jul 24, 2012 17:40:30 GMT
For the record, I recommend never, ever buying a TV license. Detector vans don't exist and nobody can enter your home without permission, or without a warrant, which they can't get without evidence that you are using a TV illegally. So basically, keep your telly away from your window, don't let strangers into your home, and stick your finger up at people who send threatening letters to widows. That or just download all of your media. stc-o doesn't recommend following the ranting of the known comic and criminal Stu (Madhair) Gipp TV van's and stuff are real, we saw one the other week like totally, well we didn't but our freind big steves friend did.. so I mean who you gonna believe. Also downloading gig's make's furrys grow on your hands or something or as Fabian Vane would say: Stay in smoke, and don't school, kids!
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Post by madhair60 on Jul 24, 2012 18:23:14 GMT
The vans do not contain any detector equipment.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jul 24, 2012 19:23:30 GMT
They contain flowers, kittens and rainbows. :B
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Post by Arch on Jul 24, 2012 21:44:35 GMT
Sorry to be pedantic, but it is technically illegal to watch show on the I player on any app's webpages or variation on the theme, including on Youtube without a TV licence if the show are going out anywhere near there orginal broadcast date.... the laws more fuzzy on show's that are old, but seeing as that doesn't make up the bulk of the iplayer service.... I mean yeah you can get away with it, but if were going 100% legally... you shouldn't be not that I really care so no idea why I bothered to post, Also from TV Licensing: "If you only watch catch-up services online, then you don’t need a licence. For example, you don’t need one to use BBC iPlayer, or ITV player, to catch up on programmes after they have been shown on TV." I'm not certain, but I don't think programmes appear on demand TV until they've finished. Sorry to keep derailing the topic, I don't really care about Red Dwarf...
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And then I just chundered, everywhere.
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Post by Slender Man on Jul 25, 2012 7:14:40 GMT
The vans do not contain any detector equipment. To extend Stu's point, if 'detector equipment' actually existed in these vans at any point, they'd most likely be rendered useless now, since TV's are considerably different nowadays. But yeah, I doubt these vans actually serve any use. The whole concept works on the idea that the public actually believe it.
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jul 25, 2012 16:12:23 GMT
I use iPlayer through a VPN to watch any show on the BBC, seeing as I live in Prague and the BBC World News is full of nauseating business adverts. Blech. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only expat who uses iPlayer without a license, either...
ANYWAYS!
Red Dwarf. Meh.
The Dave special wasn't that great, really. I miss old Red Dwarf, when it was funny.... :B
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Post by Juliett. Bravo. Alfa. on Jul 25, 2012 16:25:30 GMT
Just something to note: When I bought a new TV from Argos, they asked for my address etc to check whether I had a TV license.
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Post by L. T. Dangerous on Jul 25, 2012 16:29:25 GMT
Just something to note: When I bought a new TV from Argos, they asked for my address etc to check whether I had a TV license. We do that at Morrisons too. On the other hand, one of my flatmates at uni spoke to the licensing people and told them he didn't intend to watch television programmes on his, only using it for DVDs and PS2 games. He never paid a penny the whole time we were there. So it's not as if they come and check...
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Post by Mambo's Here! Look Busy! on Jul 25, 2012 16:36:16 GMT
Just something to note: When I bought a new TV from Argos, they asked for my address etc to check whether I had a TV license. It only means the checkout operator was a jobsworth! Back in my Asda days, it was suggested that we should ask anyone buying a TV to go to customer services to register their TV license number, however it was made pretty clear by management that no-one gave a [censored] about it - so no-one did it! Anyways, fixin' the raaaaaaaaaails, fixin' the raaaaaails...
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Post by NumberOfThings on Jul 28, 2012 16:24:58 GMT
I liked Back to Earth, though more because of affection for the characters and because it provided a more satisfying conclusion than the ending of series VIII, rather than because it was actually funny. I loved its Enhance Button scene, though! I'm very much looking forward to the new series - the audience recording reports ( even those from the more skeptical fans) generally sound promising, Howard Goodall is coming back to do the music, and there's a return to models for the special effects. The teaser trailer doesn't have much in the way of jokes, but then Red Dwarf's best jokes generally relied on more setup than can be clipped down into a fast-paced trailer.
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