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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2004 21:25:03 GMT
Nintendo may not have 'a finger on the pulse of modern tastes'. I will agree with that. People want online gaming where you can shoot people a lot - Nintendo havn't delivered that yet. People want games with mindless violence, a water-thin plot and the ability to nick anything in sight - Nintendo havn't quite delivered that yet.
But is that truely to their detriment? I most certainly do not agree with these 'modern tastes'. I would gladly take peices of gaming gold like Ocarina of Time, Windwaker, Pokemon and Super Smash Brothers/Melee over online abilities, DVDs and stealing things.
Nintendo may not follow the simple 'popular' approach - but it doesn't need to. That is why it CAN create systems like the DS and it CAN create games that are more than just mere sequels with a re-hash of the old game engine in a new plot (...Ok, one or two not withstanding). Those are definitely risks i'd put Nintendo down for. But do risks matter? Maybe as far as popularity goes - but then as far as Nintendo is concerned and ever will be concerned, it has it's fans and it will keep those fans. It will gain new fans by sticking to it's laurels and not bending to pressure from a thug culture obsessed with games like GTA. Nintendo is creating quality games and making a good crapload of money for it. (Let us not forget the earnings the Pokemon Company makes for the main company).
I will agree that Nintendo's policies have not done anything to improve it's popularity with the 'casual gamer' but I will not agree that this is detrimental for Nintendo themselves. It is a severe pity that once again they have lost out on third party support for the Cube - but maybe the huge mass of support for the DS will eventually carry over into the consoles too.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 16, 2004 21:27:49 GMT
Nintendo may not have 'a finger on the pulse of modern tastes'. I will agree with that. People want online gaming where you can shoot people a lot - Nintendo havn't delivered that yet. People want games with mindless violence, a water-thin plot and the ability to nick anything in sight - Nintendo havn't quite delivered that yet. . I would've disagreed, but you got a point there! And I gotta say, Gamecubes have the best games you'll ever get, but not the popularity... |
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Post by supersonicjim on Dec 16, 2004 21:42:58 GMT
"Sega Microsoft do what Nintendon't!"
I hear from sources that are reliable but not in my reach that Nintendo have lower sales than Xbox.
Nintendo oughta get some decent people to do games. Relying on the same fellas in different 'new' games is boring.
'Hogfather'
Burnout 3 - Xbox too, Nintendo ain't good enough for this
gta san andreas -it'll be ported soon enough
terminator 3 the redemption - that is on the others too
mortal kombat deception - that is on at least the Xbox too
driver 3 - that is on at least the Xbox too
Secret weapons over normandy - that is also on others too
Sonic heroes - you get the picture
All them there aren't special to the PS2 (for time being for one).
Nintendo has the abtrosity to charge people over 100 quid (at time of thought of this) to play multiplayer on the games I want to! That is 100 quid per extra person!
Before I have to explain;
GBA Game that I bet doesn't even do anything: 33 quid
Wire - 7 quid
GBA - 70 quid
And that is a ripoff.
'Connectivity' a way of rieving out money from the 'gamers'.
Xbox has more stuff than the other 'machines'. And has good online and multiplayer fun.
'Mario' 'Kart' can have 8 players without using an Interenet connection you just have to buy the adapters to play online.
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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2004 21:50:54 GMT
" Sega Microsoft do what Nintendon't!" I hear from sources that are reliable but not in my reach that Nintendo have lower sales than Xbox. Nintendo oughta get some decent people to do games. Relying on the same fellas in different 'new' games is boring. Nintendo has the abtrosity to charge people over 100 quid (at time of thought of this) to play multiplayer on the games I want to! That is 100 quid per extra person! Before I have to explain; GBA Game that I bet doesn't even do anything: 33 quid Wire - 7 quid GBA - 70 quid And that is a ripoff. 'Connectivity' a way of rieving out money from the 'gamers'. Actually, Nintendo's sales ARE higher than Microsoft's, but that can largely be put down to games. In systems they are equal enough. The Xbox never made it big in Japan, where Nintendo rules all. That keeps Nintendo floating high in one place, enough to keep it equal footings with Xbox. I assume with the connectivity you are referring to games such as FF:CC and Zelda: 4 Swords. Which do not require a GBA game and are aimed primarily at people who already own a GBA. (Which, the majority of 'Cube owners do). The problem of getting more people with GBAs to play with is what does me in - but this is used in very few games - so it's hardly a hugely negative point. The same could be made of the extortionate (and long running) prices required for online gaming on the PS2, Xbox and even on the Gamecube with Phantasy Star. Oh, and: "Nintendo oughta get some decent people to do games. Relying on the same fellas in different 'new' games is boring. " When you have the world's greatest and most accomplished games designer on your side - who has been acknowledged by everyone in the industry as the 'Godfather of Games' - I believe the phrase "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" comes into play here. You do seem to have an Anti-Nintendo Bias. All power to you, I have a pro-Nintendo Bias. But at least, try and keep your facts in order and correct to back up your opinions when you state them. |
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Post by Matt on Dec 16, 2004 21:54:37 GMT
okay, can just say something about the whole DVD thing? GC, Xbox and PS2 are GAMES consoles that are intended to play GAMES. Wanna watch DVDs, get a DVD player. sorry no I don't have the kind of money, well actually I do but not when the cosole came out I didn't, I know own all three consoles so am not a fan boy, but the gc, is inferior for the following reasons 1 no dvd support 2 stupid mini disc that no one think could compare to the ps2 (wather they do is not the point) 3 the control has one less button then the other consoles which cuses more trouble then you would think 4 less developer support 5 less adult content games (not to say there arn't any) 6 limited and late comming online support 7 only a small slection of games in local shops 8 only 4mb on the memory cards (i have 5 compared to 2 ps2 and 1 xbox not that ineed the xbox one as it has a hard drive) 9 a memory card that still uses a block system 10 a game like metal gear solid is still spread over 2 discs |
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Post by supersonicjim on Dec 16, 2004 21:55:00 GMT
The same could be made of the extortionate (and long running) prices required for online gaming on the PS2, Xbox and even on the Gamecube with Phantasy Star. Xbox is cheap to play online. Phantasy Star is a port too. |
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Post by JC on Dec 16, 2004 22:01:52 GMT
'Hogfather' Burnout 3 - Xbox too, Nintendo ain't good enough for this etc etc etc the point is its that those are great games and are on the ps2, the original comment was the quality of ps2 games had gone down when in fact this isnt true. I listed a bunch of games which proved otherwise. I noticed you didnt list all the games I said. and GTA san adreas will not be ported onto another console. because after the vice city leagal loophole that made the xbox get it sony made a new contract to prevent this, so its not comming to another console. this also includes.... final fantasy, tomb raider, gran tourismo, red faction etc. however most games today end up on all consoles so its a pretty poor argument because you end up hurting the console you support. and for each console that has an exclusive game that is considered "the best" the other consoles have one which cancells it out or has one comming which will cancell it out. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 16, 2004 22:03:00 GMT
Xbox is the best. I've played on a gamecube and I didn't like the way the controller was set out. PS2 is ok, just doesn't appeal to me. I have an Xbox and im glad that I bought it.
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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2004 22:04:16 GMT
"sorry no I don't have the kind of money, well actually I do but not when the cosole came out I didn't"
-The Gamecube was always the cheapest, so if you didn't have 'a lot of money' then it was the smarter choice, ne?
1 no dvd support
-Not really important to most people any more - too many DVD Player is more a problem.
2 stupid mini disc that no one think could compare to the ps2 (wather they do is not the point)
-I do not get how the size of the discs is meant to mean anything. If you must know, they're smaller to avoid piracy and to keep the Gamecube the smallest of the 3 consoles. If you must also know, the Gamecube won with their anti-piracy attempts. It has the least piracy problems of the three (you can get around it of course, but the fact remains that it is the lowest)
3 the control has one less button then the other consoles which cuses more trouble then you would think
-It causes some problems, but I have to say that over all most games ported to the Gamecube have done a well enough job mapping the controls
4 less developer support
- A genuine problem at last. Yes, this is a big problem.
5 less adult content games (not to say there arn't any)
-Does not make it inferior. Why a games console needs to be sold on this point is beyond me. I don't buy a games console just so I can virtually screw prostitutes or shoot people in cars - I buy them for true games.
6 limited and late comming online support
- A problem to admit, indeed. But not a huge one considering that online gaming is still fraught with difficulties involving cost.
7 only a small slection of games in local shops
-Not really Nintendo's fault. It annoys me to great extent that GAME etc have stupid and tiny displays for Gamecube games, how are you supposed to buy the game you want when it isn't there?
8 only 4mb on the memory cards (i have 5 compared to 2 ps2 and 1 xbox not that ineed the xbox one as it has a hard drive)
-You can get bigger cards you know - and considering you can get Gamecube cards for a mere fiver, it's not that huge a problem - with the 1029's from GAME costing only £20
9 a memory card that still uses a block system
-Not a huge problem. Nintendo designed the Gamecube and Memory card system with their own games in mind - which were designed to utilise the space on Memory Cards effectively. It is the fault of third party designers to have not followed suit.
10 a game like metal gear solid is still spread over 2 discs
-Not really Nintendo's fault either. That's going to happen no matter what system you go for - because the developer cannot fit all of the huge game onto one single disc.
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Post by Matt on Dec 16, 2004 22:10:49 GMT
"sorry no I don't have the kind of money, well actually I do but not when the cosole came out I didn't" -The Gamecube was always the cheapest, so if you didn't have 'a lot of money' then it was the smarter choice, ne? 1 no dvd support -Not really important to most people any more - too many DVD Player is more a problem. 2 stupid mini disc that no one think could compare to the ps2 (wather they do is not the point) -I do not get how the size of the discs is meant to mean anything. If you must know, they're smaller to avoid piracy and to keep the Gamecube the smallest of the 3 consoles. If you must also know, the Gamecube won with their anti-piracy attempts. It has the least piracy problems of the three (you can get around it of course, but the fact remains that it is the lowest) 3 the control has one less button then the other consoles which cuses more trouble then you would think -It causes some problems, but I have to say that over all most games ported to the Gamecube have done a well enough job mapping the controls 4 less developer support - A genuine problem at last. Yes, this is a big problem. 5 less adult content games (not to say there arn't any) -Does not make it inferior. Why a games console needs to be sold on this point is beyond me. I don't buy a games console just so I can virtually screw [censored]s or shoot people in cars - I buy them for true games. 6 limited and late comming online support - A problem to admit, indeed. But not a huge one considering that online gaming is still fraught with difficulties involving cost. 7 only a small slection of games in local shops -Not really Nintendo's fault. It annoys me to great extent that GAME etc have stupid and tiny displays for Gamecube games, how are you supposed to buy the game you want when it isn't there? 8 only 4mb on the memory cards (i have 5 compared to 2 ps2 and 1 xbox not that ineed the xbox one as it has a hard drive) -You can get bigger cards you know - and considering you can get Gamecube cards for a mere fiver, it's not that huge a problem - with the 1029's from GAME costing only £20 9 a memory card that still uses a block system -Not a huge problem. Nintendo designed the Gamecube and Memory card system with their own games in mind - which were designed to utilise the space on Memory Cards effectively. It is the fault of third party designers to have not followed suit. 10 a game like metal gear solid is still spread over 2 discs -Not really Nintendo's fault either. That's going to happen no matter what system you go for - because the developer cannot fit all of the huge game onto one single disc. sorry maybe I wasn't clear  what I menat is as I din't have the money the two in one dvd and game console was the better choice. and the reasons you just ingnored arn't my opnions persay it just what I said and what people belive the cost togo onlien with xbox is a mear £40 a year so there no cost proablem the metal gears solid 2 on ps2 was only a one disc game (even the imporved substance,) but the gc vertion of the origanl was speard over two disc therefore nitendo's fault) + mario and related games on the gc Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Mario Party 6 Mario Kart Super Mario Sunshine Mario Power Tennis Luigi's Mansion Mario Party 5 Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour Mario Party 4 Wario World umm well that a bit much don't you think, mario is getting a bit old too fast |
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Post by JC on Dec 16, 2004 22:15:39 GMT
"okay, can just say something about the whole DVD thing? GC, Xbox and PS2 are GAMES consoles that are intended to play GAMES. Wanna watch DVDs, get a DVD player." Yes right they are designed to play games... but then again since they play dvds then they are also dvd players. that gives them more appeal than the gamecube which doesnt no matter what you do to it. you have just shot your own console here because you'r admitting that it has a serious disadvantage. your failing to put this in contex when these consoles came out dvd players very pricy and games consoles offered a cheaper alternative that did additional stuff. most games consoles future is decided in the first 2 months. look at the 32x, jaguar, lynx etc. after two months it was clear they wouldnt last long, same with gamecube it failed to give people what they wanted which was the option to play dvds so it lost hundreds of potential buyers. you cannot say dont mention dvd because multimedia is here to stay and people love it, if your new console doesnt have multimedia features you wont do well. the gamecube can only play gamecube games... thats it. nothing else. but with the other 2 consoles you get dvd, cd, records (with the ps2 add on thing) backwards compatability. there are more then a games console which is why they are far superior to the gamecube. if you think a console is best because its more advance then the dreamcast said the same thing to the psx and we all know what happened there. When you have the world's greatest and most accomplished games designer on your side - who has been acknowledged by everyone in the industry as the 'Godfather of Games' - I believe the phrase "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" comes into play here. then why is it nintendo isnt the best console out then its cleary the weakest? Surely if it was something as simple as that then gamecube wouldnt have a problem. So what if hes the 'godfather of games' so far they arnt doing much to increase sales nor the reputation of the gamecube. |
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Post by supersonicjim on Dec 16, 2004 22:20:47 GMT
I don't buy this DVD argument.
I've watched one DVD with my Xbox. It doesn't even support 1200i! Nor does the Sony machine.
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Post by Matt on Dec 16, 2004 22:24:58 GMT
all I know is it plays all the dvds I have, I have no other dvd p[layer (of my own) and when I first lot the console we only had a dvd on the computer and the sound play back was rubbish, I that time it really payed it self off. I still have it I my room and watch dvds as much as I play games and so was a sound investment by my view, espically as I collect a bi weekly dvd collection as well as genral purchese
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Post by supershadow on Dec 16, 2004 22:48:46 GMT
The ganecube is good so is the ps2 but I hate the X-box people only buy it for X-box live.
I hate how people say the gamecube is bad it is the best out of the three.
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Post by JC on Dec 16, 2004 22:53:10 GMT
no its not the ps2 is,
when you look at all the factors at what makes a console the ps2 wins, sure it doesnt win every catergory but its enough to win. The Ps2 is the best console hands down.
edit:
on second thought I just found this post I made a long time ago on the same subject. as you can see ps2 comes out the best.
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Post by Raxadian on Dec 16, 2004 23:40:28 GMT
Because it doesn’t have many violent games and sports games
And because most of the Gamecube games are oriented to Japanese players.
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Post by Shadic? on Dec 17, 2004 3:22:47 GMT
This console flaming needs to stop! Each system appeals to different people.. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU THINK ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER! Different people have different taste! God.. When people flame stuff without taking into consideration other people's likes.. it's just make me angry.  |
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Post by madhair60 on Dec 17, 2004 8:05:28 GMT
:/
I am not anti-Nintendo. In fact, I am anti-Microsoft. I would say I was all for Nintendo. Go Nintendo.
I love Nintendo, but I don't think they're doing so hot on the console market. Handhelds they've got monopolised.
IMO, Nintendo should become a developer for other consoles, like Sega. *Raped*
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Post by Mango on Dec 17, 2004 8:20:59 GMT
Okay, I'm going to warily throw my hat into the ring.
I actually prefer Nintendo games. Yes, they have this "kiddy reputation", but I love the fact that they've got these timeless classic characters that even if the majority of people couldn't care less who's in it, there's a minority who have grown up with and love seeing their favourite characters grow and evolve both in personality and graphical style.
The games may not look scary or realistic or anything, and I could retract back to the whole "playing games to escape reality" argument, but once you get past the fact that there's no skimpy-clothed sexy women, or guys with bulging muscles and big guns, you get an engaging and enjoyable experience of a game.
For example, I recently purchased the original Pikmin. Cute, yes? but a BRILLIANT strategy game. Strategy, boring? No. Nintendo seem to always manage to flick this twist on games that a lot of people would class as boring, and make it fun. So fun in fact that a mere three days afterwards, I went and purchased the sequel, which, like everyone has said, improves on the original in every possible way.
I don't care that my Gamecube can't play DVDs. In fact, I'd rather it didn't. Yes, it's cheaper for me to buy a console, but also there's the factoid that DVD-playing in PS2s can actually cause problems later on with them. So I've heard.
I'm not here to start console-bashing, the Gamecube is merely my preference. I grew up with consoles, and I guess I never really grew out of loving the games I love, with their "kiddy" characters in a very worthwhile and engaging game.
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Post by JJ on Dec 17, 2004 11:28:53 GMT
Well, I personally prefer the PS2 out of the three contenders, but I do love my GameCube like a newborn baby. Granted, I've only got like six games, but it's still a wonderful machine. I wouldn't call it unpopular per se, just less popular than it's rivals for not having as many killer games on it. It has killer games, yes, but not as many.
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Post by Zak29 on Dec 17, 2004 13:11:54 GMT
I think Nintendo's biggest problems are marketing and not having their finger on the pulse when it comes to what people want (I think someone mentioned that earlier). Nintendo are my favourite developers in the world, but the people in charge have made some truly incompetent decisions over the years, shame. Hopefully they'll do better next round (although they still owned the console sales last christmas).  |
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 17, 2004 13:12:51 GMT
Actually, I think the opposite. the GC, in my opinion, has many more killer games than the others, which is why I'm so angry it is unpopular.
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Post by Alex on Dec 17, 2004 15:26:32 GMT
The other systems just happen to have games that are litterally about killing. Which for some reason is a major selling point over story, gameplay and graphics now.
Nintendo's marketing has always been cack. It's rather understandable though. In Japan, it's brilliant because they say what they need to and nothing more - the Japanese love Nintendo like a father.
In the West though, advertising and marketing falls onto NOA's lap - which is undoubtedly one of the most imcompetent company branches in the history of any corperation. They butcher games by translation, they have a buffoon in charge (George Harrisson, a prat that gets up my nose rather a lot - especially for his starting off the 'There's going to be a Pokemon Water Blue edition' crap...) and their marketing is non-existent.
NOE is just as bad, you rarely see adverts for Nintendo games on TV (or any games at all really, but even less for Nintendo) and multiplatform games are advertised as being for the PS2 mostly rather than the X-box or Gamecube as they also are on.
The only marketing they've done successfully EVER, has been the DS. A huge marketing scheme was launched for it in America and it paid off big time. Who knows if NOE will follow the same route.
Alas, it's extremely doubtful this will follow on and continue for the 'Cube.
If Nintendo isn't going to scream, shout and rave about how great the Cube is and instead leave it just to the fans - then it WILL and HAS lost support for those that simply do not know enough about it other than their view of it being 'kiddy'.
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Post by Bad Hair Bear on Dec 17, 2004 17:50:18 GMT
it seems to me that most of the GC games (certainly the ones ive ever played) are mainly bright flashing colours - there seems to be no (or few) games that would appeal to the over-12's.
Plus, as DoctorOak and Zak29 have said, the main problem with nintendo is marketing. I can't ever remember many adverts or other marketing schemes for nintendo, and am amazed it seems to have lasted as long as it has.
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Post by Matt on Dec 17, 2004 17:55:15 GMT
loyal fan base  and such memorable francises as mario wario pokemon donkey kong zelda metroid and now sonic however with sonic going mulit platform the adventure games going to pc mega colection going on all systems come febuary and heoes on all console, it could be the end, thought I doubt it mario and zelda are to big to die. and they have held the monopoly on the hanhelds for over decade |
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