Bad Hair Bear
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Post by Bad Hair Bear on Dec 17, 2004 17:57:42 GMT
meh. but I guess with the release of the PSP and the DS, they won't hold the market for long. And from there I fell it'll be a slippery slope all the way down for nintendo.
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Post by Mango on Dec 17, 2004 17:59:18 GMT
Trust me, the grip Nintendo has on the handheld market is still very strong. Especially judging by the follies that the initil PSP batch have sprung.
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Post by Matt on Dec 17, 2004 18:04:56 GMT
psp will fail for this reason
it's costing more to make then there selling it for, big mistake, unless every one buy 6 games quicly sony loses a lot of money and so the ds will win and the new nitendo the revelution? will meatain a pressets in the market, but it failling in europe it's only doing well in japan were it is still losing to the ps2
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Post by Shadic? on Dec 17, 2004 18:05:44 GMT
however with sonic going mulit platform the adventure games going to pc mega colection going on all systems come febuary and heoes on all console, it could be the end, thought I doubt it mario and zelda are to big to die. Actually A top Sega COO has said recently said this Q: What will be the major events for the industry in 2005?
A: With the introduction of next-generation consoles such as the Xbox 2 and PS3, software design houses will be required to put more manpower and capital into developing new games to cope with demand. So I think that there will be no room for small-scale design houses to survive in the software market for these consoles. However, small-scale software companies may be able to shift their efforts into developing games for handsets or Nintendo consoles.
What it saying is that sega might shift towards Nintendo instead of XBOX2 or PS3. Of course it's not certain.
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Post by Matt on Dec 17, 2004 18:10:14 GMT
yeah that sounds sensible but for the moment the most sonic games are on pc followed by gc then ps2 (beacuse of super stars) then x box
I mean your proably right but sega is hardly a small-scale design house. and as such it may want to get it games on the ps3 and xbox2 as the most player on them the casual gamer is on the ps2 at the moenet and that the amrket trhey should really aim at as there is more players there though that could change in the next gen
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Post by Zerolus on Dec 17, 2004 21:54:57 GMT
*Smoke comes out of ears*
When will people realise? Games are not about graphics or violence. They are about FUN. And Nintendo are masters at this. Nintendo's games are aimed kids (with Metroid as their only exception, as its more aimed at teenagers) BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE RUBBISH. I adore Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, it was crazy and fun. I even convinced a few people to become Nintendo fans when they played it. Zelda OoT is excellent. And no Metroid game has failed to bore me. Not even once.
Don't get me wrong. The likes of Halo and Half-Life are cool, if not wonderful. But to me, they eventually get boring after a week or two. Nintendo games last for months. Anyone who says "Non-Violent games are rubbish" are idiots. I'd much rather play a bad-looking but fun game rather then pretty much the opposite.
For those who do not have a GameCube, here's some advice:
1. Get a GameCube 2. Buy at least two Nintendo games (Recommend Metroid Prime 2 and LoZ: The Wind Waker). 3. You will never regret it.
And the GameCube CAN display awesome graphics. Just look at Wind Waker. If you think WW's graphics are bad, then I'll mail a box to you full of 10,000,000 angry Pikmin to bash your stupid skull in.
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Post by Raxadian on Dec 18, 2004 2:04:24 GMT
Nintendo dropped the “Kid” in the N64 era. Remember Conker bad for day?.
I think the Gamecube needs his own version of Doom 3…
If people want violence, give them violence…
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Post by supersonicjim on Dec 18, 2004 9:41:20 GMT
Nintendo dropped the “Kid” in the N64 era. remember Conker bad for day?. I think the Gamecube needs his own version of Doom 3… If people want violence, give them violence… I'd like to see the Cube render that!
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 18, 2004 11:15:32 GMT
(George Harrisson, a prat that gets up my nose rather a lot - especially for his starting off the 'There's going to be a Pokemon Water Blue edition' rubbish...) I sincerely hope for your sake that you ain't slagging the singer George Harison. (hehehe)
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 18, 2004 11:17:44 GMT
*Smoke comes out of ears* When will people realise? Games are not about graphics or violence. They are about FUN. And Nintendo are masters at this. You tell 'em mate. Just because a game doesn't have excessive blood gore and swearing doesn't mean it's rubbish. (You have my sincerest apologies if this is another double-post)
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Post by Matt on Dec 18, 2004 11:25:26 GMT
it may be true that gamecube is a good console, and that violence doen't make a game but simiply, just because violence doesn't make a game, deosn't mean that most people think that it does.
the new gamecube has to relise that peer presure would make fun of the 25 year old buissness man with a game cube, and there for needs to make nitendos new console, multimedia, wether they like it or not, it will sell more units, and have more mature games then they will attract new and old coustumers.
nitendo have bee behind in the consoles for two gens now, not moving to disc and staying with cartaiges failed, and now not growing up with it's market and not going multimedia has betrayed them
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 19, 2004 14:42:29 GMT
not growing up with it's market and not going multimedia has betrayed them I do see something of a point there. Such a shame that the best games ever are unpopular because they aren't violent... I bet the PSP will sell more than the DS, even though the DS will be better. All beacause of stupid popularity... grr...
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Post by Matt on Dec 19, 2004 14:44:33 GMT
don't be so sure, I here sony are psuhing a lot in to this, and that they have to do more then just outsell the ds to survie there selling the psp at very low prices, so low it cost more to produce then sell
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Post by JC on Dec 19, 2004 14:50:13 GMT
I personally think that both the psp and the ds will fail dramatically. just because most people have 1 handheld and stick with it, most people including myself have a gba.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 19, 2004 14:58:15 GMT
But look at all the awesome new features of the DS! Awesome graphics, double screens...
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Post by JC on Dec 19, 2004 15:41:11 GMT
I will do, but people was also saying that when that a couple of years back when that other super handheld came out, that thing which could acess the net and could play games and you could download games onto it, it had a pen like thing and touch screen technology. it was basicly a mini pc and gameboy that fitted into your hand, but it never lasted longer then a few months. I dont remember its name but I can remember games magazines saying that it would bury the gameboy and revolutionise the how handheld consoles will be made from then on,
Both the psp and ds have very similar features which puts me off from buying either because I really do fear that it'll die within a few months.
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Post by Raxadian on Dec 19, 2004 16:51:10 GMT
Hey Nintendo! Give people what they want!
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Post by Zerolus on Dec 19, 2004 18:59:08 GMT
Hey Nintendo! Give people what they want! Shouting about it here won't do anything. I'd really prefer it if Nintendo didn't get violent. The last thing that every Nintendo fan would need is Bowser's guts splattered over the floor when you kill him in the next Mario game.
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Post by JJ on Dec 19, 2004 19:04:08 GMT
Well, there's a difference between violence and gore. Metroid is violent. I kinda applaud Nintendo for obstinately refusing to go down the path of blood and guts, with all the changes in the market over the past ten years and everything.
But even then, the GC does have Resi and Eternal Darkness. Come to think of it, there's a huge market for adult games on the Cube, because there's so few of them.
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Post by Alex on Dec 20, 2004 23:03:16 GMT
I will do, but people was also saying that when that a couple of years back when that other super handheld came out, that thing which could acess the net and could play games and you could download games onto it, it had a pen like thing and touch screen technology. it was basicly a mini pc and gameboy that fitted into your hand, but it never lasted longer then a few months. I dont remember its name but I can remember games magazines saying that it would bury the gameboy and revolutionise the how handheld consoles will be made from then on, Both the psp and ds have very similar features which puts me off from buying either because I really do fear that it'll die within a few months. The difference between Nintendo and the PSP and that other Handheld is Developer support. The DS has phenomenal support within the industry and pretty much every games company has some game cooked up for it - especially all the major ones. THe PSP also technically CANNOT outsell the DS. Nintendo is pumping out DSs daily and has quadrupled their original estimate for sales. The PSP's production has been slashed to "give more emphasis to the new PS2 Slimline model". There actually are not enough PSPs to outsell the DS. It's a mathematical fact. I don't think violence really means mature - it means senseless to me. A game that can appeal to all levels however... Take for example, True Crime: Streets of L.A. It features swearing, fighting and shooting etc - but in a very tounge in cheek fashion. It actuall resembles a Hollywood Movie in the vain of Rush Hour etc. Grand Theft Auto on the other hand simply features on the VERY dark and for some reason, this is popular. I really don't see why - San Andreas may have a lot of interesting functions and the freeform gamplay is fun enough (Though, I have to say, the original GTA still held a lot more enjoyment for me than any of it's descendents) but True Crime has humour, plot and a well designed gaming experience. Yet, GTA wins. It's not a culture i'm proud of to promote or be part of - but gaming cuture has grown into this monster. Only the true hardcore gamers seem to enjoy games that are about gameplay rather than violence. Nintendo will not move on this though. Their aim is to provide entertainment that anyone can enjoy and Shigeru Miyamoto will never fight against that. However - the next generation of Consoles may well end up being similar to the situation with the Handheld market at the moment. Nintendo's innovation with the DS IS going to carry through to the Revolution. Iwata has said there is no more that they can get out of the consoles in a technical sense. All that's left is revolution in the way to play. Only Nintendo is focusing on that though and it could be what hands them the next Generation on a silver platter - just as it will the Handheld Market.
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Post by JJ on Dec 21, 2004 0:18:15 GMT
I thought True Crime was pretty poor, actually. What about the bits with the zombies and the bit where he fights an enormous dragon? Wierd, wierd game indeed.
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Post by archangelffx on Dec 21, 2004 15:58:12 GMT
Well I've only just noticed this. I've got no Gamecube, no Xbox and no PS2, so its pretty much a waste of time me being here. I've played on a PS2 a lot so I'd have to say that's my favourite and with a good TV, DVD's play well on it too. GCs are alright, but I can quite easily see why they don't fare well against the others. Never played an Xbox. But I've got a Dreamcast! Does that count for anything? Edit: Will ya look at that! I've gone almost 200 posts without realising I've gone over 1000 posts! Go me!
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Post by Alex on Dec 21, 2004 16:26:16 GMT
I thought True Crime was pretty poor, actually. What about the bits with the zombies and the bit where he fights an enormous dragon? weird, weird game indeed. Question, did you finish that chapter? If you have, you'll see how it reinforces my tounge in cheek humour point. And yes, that did freak me out to begin with but I couldn't help laughing when I finished it. Not that doing so was too easy - damn floating heads.
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Post by Omnion (yes, he is a man) on Dec 21, 2004 16:43:27 GMT
Well, there's a difference between violence and gore. Hey, you know what we mean! And as for Mr. Archangel, "But I've got a dreamcast! Does that count for anything?" Hell, yeah!!
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Post by Sin on Dec 21, 2004 16:50:11 GMT
As someone who has got, played and completed True Crime (100%) I have to say that it is poor compared to GTA: San Andreas (or any of the PS2 GTA games for that matter).
For me True Crime was more annoying then funny (only one bit made me chuckle), it was repetitive and it was stupidly easy. I completed TC in a week while I’ve had GTA:SA since it came out and still haven’t gotten more then half way through it. Plus the plot on TC is a cliché as hell.
For me, that is why San Andreas is so much of a better game.
But True Crime isn’t without it’s charm, it had a nice movie style feel to it and I am looking forward to see if they improve the next one.
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